Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Jazzy_Jeff]

3 minutes ago, Skidmark said:

The whole squad/management. 

 

Players are cheesed off with coaching/performances. Manager is cheesed off with lack of transfers and lack of background staff. Boardroom cheesed off with the backlash from the fans. 

 

There's so much cheese we should be called Ploughmans FC. 

It starts with the board. They need to be transparent with the staff, the players and supporters. 

[The Doctor]

1 hour ago, Stadt said:

90s throwback is harsh on Dyche.

 

His teams press better than he gets credit for, they counterpress high before settling back into a lower block. There are smatterings of Enzo's squad but it's a disparately assembled team. 

it's disparately assembled because we let a bloke who's only recruitment criteria was "they've been on match of the day" have the summer window, but he is the only one since 2017 who hasn't recruited for possession football. Dyche is very much not for that, he will be wanting shithouse defenders and a focus on wing play with a target forward. We have no shithouse defenders, no target forward and one fit senior winger who isn't league one at best, and he's woefully out of form. Dyche would be an absolute disaster and the only reason to appoint him is so he can fail and people can stop suggesting him every bloody time.

[Skidmark]

1 minute ago, Jazzy_Jeff said:

It starts with the board. They need to be transparent with the staff, the players and supporters. 

We saw it with Maresca didn't we. 

 

Was told there would be money to spend, wasn't much and got frustrated. 

[Lionator]

He will be at the press conference later and you’ll all look stupid. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

6 minutes ago, Skidmark said:

The whole squad/management. 

 

Players are cheesed off with coaching/performances. Manager is cheesed off with lack of transfers and lack of background staff. Boardroom cheesed off with the backlash from the fans. 

 

There's so much cheese we should be called Ploughmans FC. 

Thanks for the information, not sure why the boardroom should be cheesed off with stick from fans, seem more than happy to lap it up when there is any success but don’t want to take responsibility or accountability when their decision making, strategy or lack of severely damages our ability to be competitive. Absolutely deluded. 

[Foxin_Mad]

10 minutes ago, Skidmark said:

The whole squad/management. 

 

Players are cheesed off with coaching/performances. Manager is cheesed off with lack of transfers and lack of background staff. Boardroom cheesed off with the backlash from the fans. 

 

There's so much cheese we should be called Ploughmans FC. 

Its definitely the plebby fans fault as far as KPFC are concerned. Starting to detest them more and more, why exactly do they think the fans would be supportive? They have taken a club from top 5 to 2 Premier relegations in 3 years, lost 1 manager due to lies and incompetence, will probably lose another. If they are 'Cheesed' off then its shows exactly the reason they need to **** off.

Edited 23 January by Foxin_Mad

[st albans fox]

If he walks then im guessing he says little and in the media, we'll get the blame for singing at him last week (u dont know what you're doing).

 

i dont expect him to publicly diss the club - hell want another job and no employer wants to take someone on who has twice walked out and bad mouthed the owners 

 

those of you expecting this to reflect badly on the board may find that this extends only to their selection of RVN and nothing else

 

the entitled fanbase will take the rap together with some of the players 

[Stadt]

1 minute ago, The Doctor said:

it's disparately assembled because we let a bloke who's only recruitment criteria was "they've been on match of the day" have the summer window, but he is the only one since 2017 who hasn't recruited for possession football. Dyche is very much not for that, he will be wanting shithouse defenders and a focus on wing play with a target forward. We have no shithouse defenders, no target forward and one fit senior winger who isn't league one at best, and he's woefully out of form. Dyche would be an absolute disaster and the only reason to appoint him is so he can fail and people can stop suggesting him every bloody time.

When he took over at Everton, he had a similarly disparate squad unsuited to his style of play (Calvert-Lewin was always injured anyway). They managed to stay up each season (despite points deductions) because they were so hard to beat. I doubt he'd even want the job but he'd do a far better job of stopping us conceding 2+ a game than any other likely option.

 

He a low ceiling as a manager but he's good at what he does. I'd be concerned about out chances in the Championship if we appointed him and went down anyway but currently, another intensely possession focused manager isn't solving our issues.

[st albans fox]

5 hours ago, Stadt said:

When he took over at Everton, he had a similarly disparate squad unsuited to his style of play (Calvert-Lewin was always injured anyway). They managed to stay up each season (despite points deductions) because they were so hard to beat. I doubt he'd even want the job but he'd do a far better job of stopping us conceding 2+ a game than any other likely option.

 

He a low ceiling as a manager but he's good at what he does. I'd be concerned about out chances in the Championship if we appointed him and went down anyway but currently, another intensely possession focused manager isn't solving our issues.

he brought burnley up twice  ???

[Tuna]

6 minutes ago, Lionator said:

He will be at the press conference later and you’ll all look stupid. 

Of course he will

[Tuna]

Just now, st albans fox said:

he brought burnley up twice  ???

Would be happy with Dyche in the championship tbh

[ClaphamFox]

10 minutes ago, Lionator said:

He will be at the press conference later and you’ll all look stupid. 

Strong rumours that he won’t be taking the press conference today 😉

[FoxinNotts]

49 minutes ago, chesterfox said:

Hearing he's walked ....anyone else?

Nah, just him

[AKCJ]

2 hours ago, filbertway said:

Not many managers walk into a team that lost 5 of their last 6. Picks up 4 points then loses his best player and the man that's contributed to most undeserved points.

 

Let's not make out he's losing games where we're the favourites.

 

The only 2 teams that are non established premier league teams who have (dabateably) worse squads than us are Southampton and Ipswich.

 

Cooper managed to spend £40-50m and start this season with a weaker first 11 than the one that finished the Championship season

 

Had our "world class finisher" been able to score some absolute sitters then we're probably sat here on a few more points as well.

 

Realistically Ruud has got things wrong, but people looking at this so black and white are the same people that refused to hear any negatives about Rodgers. 

 

"top 5" "FA cup" 

 

Result driven opinions are pointless, they'll change so frequently there's no point even saying anything.

Result driven opinions certainly aren't pointless. It's a results driven business. 

 

Ultimately he can't keep losing games. Yes they've been tricky fixtures but we've also lost home games against Wolves, Palace and Fulham at an aggregate score of 0-7.

 

When you're 0-2 down in a must win game having lost your previous 6 and the stadium is singing "you don't know what you're doing" then your job is going to be at risk.

 

I don't think I'm quite in the Ruud out camp myself. But unless things start to change,  I don't think anyone will have a choice.

[Stadt]

Just now, st albans fox said:

he brought burnley up twice  ???

Championship top end was less congested then and both times Burnley scored 72, not enough these days.

[plinchiestincture]

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[RoboFox]

54 minutes ago, chesterfox said:

Hearing he's walked ....anyone else?

Not this again.

[st albans fox]

5 hours ago, Stadt said:

Championship top end was less congested then and both times Burnley scored 72, not enough these days.

sort of depends how many you concede ??

 

this season burnley are 1.28 goals per game.  72 is 1.56.   sheff u are 1.42. sunderland are same as burnley.  

 

[Tuna]

Just now, RoboFox said:

Not this again.

He's been quoted multiple times and not responded. Draw your own conclusions as to whether he is a time waster poster or not.

[filbertway]

4 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Result driven opinions certainly aren't pointless. It's a results driven business. 

 

Ultimately he can't keep losing games. Yes they've been tricky fixtures but we've also lost home games against Wolves, Palace and Fulham at an aggregate score of 0-7.

 

When you're 0-2 down in a must win game having lost your previous 6 and the stadium is singing "you don't know what you're doing" then your job is going to be at risk.

 

I don't think I'm quite in the Ruud out camp myself. But unless things start to change,  I don't think anyone will have a choice.

I guess we agree to disagree on the fundamental point so not much point going on  

 

I'm not saying he's the right answer, I'm just saying it's wild to write the man off based on results given the hand he's been given. I always think context of the situation is also important when making decisions.

 

Seems to be a lot of rumours going around that he's not happy and ready to walk though, so it feels like it's going to resolve itself soon anyway 

 

[Gamble92]

Get Dyche in

[AKCJ]

1 minute ago, filbertway said:

I guess we agree to disagree on the fundamental point so not much point going on  

 

I'm not saying he's the right answer, I'm just saying it's wild to write the man off based on results given the hand he's been given. I always think context of the situation is also important when making decisions.

 

Seems to be a lot of rumours going around that he's not happy and ready to walk though, so it feels like it's going to resolve itself soon anyway 

 

I'd be very surprised if he does walk.

 

But why would we sack Cooper if we were happy to go Wolves, Palace and Fulham without a goal and 3 losses?

[Stadt]

1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

sort of depends how many you concede ??

 

this season burnley are 1.28 goals per game.  72 is 1.56.   sheff u are 1.42. sunderland are same as burnley.  

 

Naturally, but with our squad make up we're gonna be conceding something like 0.8 - 1.1 gpg and 1.2ish won't be enough. I like Dyche but he's better being a small fish in a big pond than the other way round. We were at 0.9 last season with arguably a better team and a better manager.

[Noahfence]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Yes, this said manager did from PSV 2 years ago.

 

It happens frequently in countries where they aren't sat on millions if they bide their time and get sacked instead. Fairly rare in the PL obviously.

how did I miss him walking from PSV! makes things interesting then 

[Gamble92]

Just now, AKCJ said:

I'd be very surprised if he does walk.

 

But why would we sack Cooper if we were happy to go Wolves, Palace and Fulham without a goal and 3 losses?

This run would have ended in the sack in every other scenario. When Cooper was sacked they made it very clear that they pinpointed Everton and Ipswich as games we should win. You don't do that and then be okay with the losses you mentioned.

 

He had more or less a free hit but another couple of losses and he either walks or gets sacked anyway.