King Power Out

[It'sblueupnorth]

5 hours ago, The Doctor said:

no, absolutely ****ing not. Musk is a ****ing idiot.

Idiots generally aren’t worth 250billion 

[Mickyblueeyes]

21 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

I agree with this completely. It would be interesting to here the opinions of the other side, what do our fans think that we did well under Vichai that we dont do under Top?

 

The issues that are the root cause of our downfall have been building since Nigel left and Rudkin became DoF with a good couple windows under Puel/Macia giving us a second wind.

 

If you think back to the biggest shambles that happened under King Power a lot happened when Vichai was still around. Adrien Silva transfer, 12.5mil for Danny Ward, £17mil on Ghezzal.

 

Even with Vichai still alive it would have all fallen apart, yes we had success but the competency of the club was always surface level. Clubs like Brighton and Brentford have strong foundations because the ownership of those clubs have high football intelligence, whereas the football intelligence under King Power was only ever at ground level.

Credit to Vichai - I’ll give you one example of how he handled a situation differently. 
 

Mistake: 2016 summer window was one of the biggest if the biggest disaster of his reign. He was clueless. Even flying to Portugal to secure Slimani for an extortionate price. We had just lost Walsh and Rudkin was leading the recruitment. 
 

Fix: proper review. Next signing was Ndidi, after huge background work and in the summer we sought a proper head of recruitment, Macia who combined with Puel built one of the best LCFC teams I’ve ever seen (if not the best). Macia recruitment was innovative and a coup - it didn’t fall into our laps. A big statement in the footballing work to secure an ex Liverpool scout with a growing reputation (he is unemployed by the way).
 

Top’s equivalent ? Review, brushed under the carpet. Same again,

 

Billionaires are stepping into an industry with little or no knowledge and are reliant on the “experts”. Especially initially. It’s why you see so many weird decisions of proper business people. I will adamantly say, mistakes will happen, we should expect them we should accept. 
 

What I cannot accept and why I have no respect for Top is because there is no effort or understanding to make a “fix” like his father. He shouldn’t be anywhere near a middle management job, let alone chairman. He has caused this, Rodgers and the delay, nothing done in the summer, nothing done in January, nothing done in this summer, nothing done after the cooper sacking. 
 

People are taking the piss out of LCFC money and that’s not on. Top is to blame, he is showing himself to be a sad little boy where academic education alone doesn’t give you any sort of real business acumen, 

 

In fact I wouldn’t be so adamantly Top out if he had tried to make good the catastrophic mistake and we were in the same position. It’s because he and his buffoons don’t try that I am.

Edited 19 January by Mickyblueeyes

[MPH]

So even if we get rid of king power, we’d still be in danger of breaking PSR rules wouldn’t we? Is it that we don’t have any money or is it we don’t have the income we need to spend what we want?

[Stadt]

He’s emotional enough that he might **** off if he gets enough heat. The just sack Rudkin mob are deluded, where does Top turn next? Rudkin is his most trusted adviser, it’d be some mercenary recruitment firm tasked to cluelessly pick the most influential sporting controller at the club.

 

Then, it’d be the same clueless poison dwarf trying to drive standards and hold the DoF accountable. Rudkin should have been removed probably 3 or 4 times over, Whelan probably the same but here we are - because Aiyawatt does **** all.

[CosbehFox]

Remember when Vichai said Top you’ve been a naughty lad, you shouldn’t have sacked Pearson and go be a monk for a month 

[Larry_LCFC]

It's quite disheartening to see the club relying on two pensioners to try and score the goals. Zero future proofing whatsoever. Who exactly is taking over from Vardy? Its pathetic ownership

 

Edited 19 January by Larry_LCFC

[Bptiger]

I thought when Rudd came in we would abolish this playing backwards crap , but nothing has changed , u can’t win games going backwards 7-8 out on 10 times , then when we do go forward we can’t find a easy pass to a team mate . 

[The Doctor]

6 hours ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

Idiots generally aren’t worth 250billion 

I think you overestimate the intelligence of the average CEO tbh. Making money doesn't mean you know anything about the day to day running of the company you own. Aiyawatt doesn't appear to know anything about football, hence keeping Rudkin in post this long, and every time musk opens his mouth on the technical side of things, engineers the world over take the absolute piss out of him 

[5waller5]

5 hours ago, The Doctor said:

I think you overestimate the intelligence of the average CEO tbh. Making money doesn't mean you know anything about the day to day running of the company you own. Aiyawatt doesn't appear to know anything about football, hence keeping Rudkin in post this long, and every time musk opens his mouth on the technical side of things, engineers the world over take the absolute piss out of him 

I think you under estimate the difference between self made genii that absolutely know what their business does, have considerable expertise and lead it in a firm direction and… 

 

Billionaire heirs that have the talent of a standard lottery winner

[Pliskin]

7 hours ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

Idiots generally aren’t worth 250billion 

Since he purchased Twitter, illegal pornography and extreme propaganda has become more prevalent on those platforms than the dark web…… the guys a willy puller, anyway why are we still talking about him? He’s nothing to do with us as and never will…….

[Pliskin]

7 hours ago, MPH said:

So even if we get rid of king power, we’d still be in danger of breaking PSR rules wouldn’t we? Is it that we don’t have any money or is it we don’t have the income we need to spend what we want?

The thing is the finances are only a result of the people left to manage them. 
 

If Top had better people around him, we probably wouldn’t be in this mess…. He won’t make the necessary changes to get us back on track. Potential new ownership could remove the entire boardroom and seek to replace them with better football and business people. He isn’t running the club, he is destroying it. 

[The Doctor]

24 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

I think you under estimate the difference between self made genii that absolutely know what their business does, have considerable expertise and lead it in a firm direction and… 

 

Billionaire heirs that have the talent of a standard lottery winner

Musk is the latter, he's not self made, he got his money from his dad's emerald mine.

[The Doctor]

7 hours ago, MPH said:

So even if we get rid of king power, we’d still be in danger of breaking PSR rules wouldn’t we? Is it that we don’t have any money or is it we don’t have the income we need to spend what we want?

with PSR, if King Power sold up tomorrow the first cycle without their influence would be the one ending 2027/28, so assessed January 29. While they have catastrophically mismanaged the finances to create this PSR situation (we don't have the revenue to justify the insane wages given out to bang average players), the problem is not the revenue or whether the money is there, it's the gross mismanagement and lack of any cohesive long range plan. Our plan changes with every single manager: Enzo wouldn't have countenanced the signing of Skipp, Ayew and BDCR, Cooper did, and now, 6 months on, BDCR doesn't play, Skipp is a sub who stinks out the pitch with his cameos and honestly so does Ayew (spent more time doing his shoelaces than positively influencing play this week). 

[5waller5]

6 hours ago, The Doctor said:

Musk is the latter, he's not self made, he got his money from his dad's emerald mine.

And then started PayPal, Tesla, Spacex etc etc. 

 

He wasn’t hard up to begin with, but he made himself a Billionaire from millionaire through talent (whether you like him is a different story). Top started as a Billionaire and risks being a Millionaire 

[honeybradger]

8 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Credit to Vichai - I’ll give you one example of how he handled a situation differently. 
 

Mistake: 2016 summer window was one of the biggest if the biggest disaster of his reign. He was clueless. Even flying to Portugal to secure Slimani for an extortionate price. We had just lost Walsh and Rudkin was leading the recruitment. 
 

Fix: proper review. Next signing was Ndidi, after huge background work and in the summer we sought a proper head of recruitment, Macia who combined with Puel built one of the best LCFC teams I’ve ever seen (if not the best). Macia recruitment was innovative and a coup - it didn’t fall into our laps. A big statement in the footballing work to secure an ex Liverpool scout with a growing reputation (he is unemployed by the way).
 

Top’s equivalent ? Review, brushed under the carpet. Same again,

 

Billionaires are stepping into an industry with little or no knowledge and are reliant on the “experts”. Especially initially. It’s why you see so many weird decisions of proper business people. I will adamantly say, mistakes will happen, we should expect them we should accept. 
 

What I cannot accept and why I have no respect for Top is because there is no effort or understanding to make a “fix” like his father. He shouldn’t be anywhere near a middle management job, let alone chairman. He has caused this, Rodgers and the delay, nothing done in the summer, nothing done in January, nothing done in this summer, nothing done after the cooper sacking. 
 

People are taking the piss out of LCFC money and that’s not on. Top is to blame, he is showing himself to be a sad little boy where academic education alone doesn’t give you any sort of real business acumen, 

 

In fact I wouldn’t be so adamantly Top out if he had tried to make good the catastrophic mistake and we were in the same position. It’s because he and his buffoons don’t try that I am.

Is it ever a "proper review" if Rudkin comes out the back of it with his job as DoF still intact? The good recruitment under Macia was only a band aid for the issue that the people put in place at board level by King Power, under Vichai, are incompetent at their job. 

 

Our issue with our transfer strategy is that Rudkin has no long term strategy. There's no coherency between the managers he brings in nor the players we sign under those managers.

 

There was no sign under Vichai that he was questioning Rudkin's position, and it really should have after the Adrien Silva debacle, and Macia was only ever going to be a short-mid term appointment.

 

We have always been a club on shaky foundations under King Power, even with Vichai alive, we may have built something great on those foundations temporarily but the lack of forward planning at board level always meant we were not going to be sustainable as a PL team.

 

[Flappit]

8 hours ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

Idiots generally aren’t worth 250billion 

Lucky idiots are. He's a dangerous moron who found loopholes to exploit at the right time. His wealth is built on the work of others. 

[CUJimmy]

7 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

And then started PayPal, Tesla, Spacex etc etc. 

 

He wasn’t hard up to begin with, but he made himself a Billionaire from millionaire through talent (whether you like him is a different story). Top started as a Billionaire and risks being a Millionaire 

Musk didn’t start either PayPal or Tesla, what he did was recognise them as businesses with potential for growth and he was in the fortunate position of having the financial clout to invest.

[Flappit]

8 hours ago, Larry_LCFC said:

It's quite disheartening to see the club relying on two pensioners to try and score the goals. Zero future proofing whatsoever. Who exactly is taking over from Vardy? Its pathetic ownership

 

I think I remember Puel being an early advocate for transitioning from the Vardy-focused game plan and he got all kinds of abuse. The number of goals he's scored since is testament to the qualities Vardy possesses. That said, it's clear that even the best decline. 

[SemperEadem]

Aiyawatt really leave again at halftime?

[AjcW]

Buzzing for the Percy article next week about how we’ve hurt his little feelings. 

[The Doctor]

25 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

And then started PayPal, Tesla, Spacex etc etc. 

 

He wasn’t hard up to begin with, but he made himself a Billionaire from millionaire through talent (whether you like him is a different story). Top started as a Billionaire and risks being a Millionaire 

he didn't actually found PayPal or Tesla, he bought them out

[Rusko187]

9 hours ago, MPH said:

So even if we get rid of king power, we’d still be in danger of breaking PSR rules wouldn’t we? Is it that we don’t have any money or is it we don’t have the income we need to spend what we want?

We could have Elon in charge but are being strangled by PSR because the DoF is a total moron and pays high transfer fees, gives players long and highly paid contracts. 
 

No matter who we have owning the club, we’re in for a ropey few years and it shows no signs of letting up whilst these idiots are in charge.

[Rusko187]

3 hours ago, The Doctor said:

I think you overestimate the intelligence of the average CEO tbh. Making money doesn't mean you know anything about the day to day running of the company you own. Aiyawatt doesn't appear to know anything about football, hence keeping Rudkin in post this long, and every time musk opens his mouth on the technical side of things, engineers the world over take the absolute piss out of him 

Didn’t think I’d be on a football forum defending Elon this morning but here we go.

 

He doesn’t need to know every slight detail on how his rockets get into space, or get caught for a safe retrieval. Nor does he need to know the exact inner workings of the electric motors in his cars, he has subject matter experts for that. One thing that can be said is he owns many successful businesses producing some really high quality products. So he can’t be that much of an idiot

 

Top on the other hand inherited Daddy’s business but because the family is so tight with the Royal Family of Thailand their future will always be secure! 
 

Big difference in my opinion 

[Claudio Fannieri]

1 hour ago, honeybradger said:

Is it ever a "proper review" if Rudkin comes out the back of it with his job as DoF still intact? The good recruitment under Macia was only a band aid for the issue that the people put in place at board level by King Power, under Vichai, are incompetent at their job. 

 

Our issue with our transfer strategy is that Rudkin has no long term strategy. There's no coherency between the managers he brings in nor the players we sign under those managers.

 

There was no sign under Vichai that he was questioning Rudkin's position, and it really should have after the Adrien Silva debacle, and Macia was only ever going to be a short-mid term appointment.

 

We have always been a club on shaky foundations under King Power, even with Vichai alive, we may have built something great on those foundations temporarily but the lack of forward planning at board level always meant we were not going to be sustainable as a PL team.

 

Superb post 👏🏼👏🏼

[Buzzell]

What’s Elon Musk got to do with us?