King Power Out

[OnlyOneCity]

6 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

People that write "get behind them" on Facebook will sit there arms crossed when "stand up if you love Leicester" is sung by a few hundred in SK1. Ignore. 

More generalising by someone who thinks because he boos the team and calls Rudkin a ….t, he’s a better supporter than one who tries to encourage the team. I agree with “get behind them” on Facebook but also sing and always “stand up” cos I love Leicester City

[Silebyfox_89]

Top he's to decide what kind of owner he wants to be?

 

Run away from the problems or go to the water like Rafiki should Simba?

 

Yes I've watched the Lion King and can see similarities our current situation.

[ClaphamFox]

18 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

Schmeichel been outstanding in the Champions League tonight.

 

Looking back we can probably say even just that one decision set us back a couple of decades. We keep Kasper and we stay up and none of this would have followed. 

Allowing Schmeichel to leave and not replacing him must be the most criminally negligent decision ever taken by anybody associated with our club (and Lord knows there is some stiff competition for that honour). But keeping him would not have single-handedly solved all of the deep-rooted cultural issues at the club, nor would it have saved us from a PSR charge and likely points deduction last season. We may have avoided relegation, but I’m not convinced we’d be in a radically better position as a club now because our problems go way beyond the decision to let Schmeichel go, however incomprehensible that was. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

3 hours ago, The Doctor said:

sorry trav but this is honestly a daft point. you can't ever guarantee that making a specific change will be better, that's not how it works. the question always has to be, can things improve without changing that specific area and at this point it's very clear that things cannot improve under this board, so you take the gamble that, while things might get worse, there's also the chance to get better, and make the change.

But the rest of it's sound, right?!

 

Sheesh... Nitpicking!

[Gamble92]

4 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Allowing Schmeichel to leave and not replacing him must be the most criminally negligent decision ever taken by anybody associated with our club (and Lord knows there is some stiff competition for that honour). But keeping him would not have single-handedly solved all of the deep-rooted cultural issues at the club, nor would it have saved us from a PSR charge and likely points deduction last season. We may have avoided relegation, but I’m not convinced we’d be in a radically better position as a club now because our problems go way beyond the decision to let Schmeichel go, however incomprehensible that was. 

We'd absolutely have avoided relegation with even Iversen in goal instead of Ward. 

 

A year without Premier League revenue was catastrophic. You're right that we'd still have been in need of sorting out the unbelievably stupid wage structure, but I don't think we'd have sold KDH and the signings would have all been much better. So many would have turned us down because of the looming deductions. 

[OntarioFox]

25 minutes ago, Silebyfox_89 said:

Top he's to decide what kind of owner he wants to be?

 

Run away from the problems or go to the water like Rafiki should Simba?

 

Yes I've watched the Lion King and can see similarities our current situation.

LCFC in 2016

 

LCFC in 2025

[The Doctor]

3 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

We'd absolutely have avoided relegation with even Iversen in goal instead of Ward. 

 

A year without Premier League revenue was catastrophic. You're right that we'd still have been in need of sorting out the unbelievably stupid wage structure, but I don't think we'd have sold KDH and the signings would have all been much better. So many would have turned us down because of the looming deductions. 

honestly if we'd stayed up I don't think we'd have made any effort to sort out the stupid wage structure, the club did their best to learn no lessons from relegation, they'd have learned even less if we'd stayed up.

[Mickyblueeyes]

11 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Allowing Schmeichel to leave and not replacing him must be the most criminally negligent decision ever taken by anybody associated with our club (and Lord knows there is some stiff competition for that honour). But keeping him would not have single-handedly solved all of the deep-rooted cultural issues at the club, nor would it have saved us from a PSR charge and likely points deduction last season. We may have avoided relegation, but I’m not convinced we’d be in a radically better position as a club now because our problems go way beyond the decision to let Schmeichel go, however incomprehensible that was. 

Similar sort of decision to Taylor letting Cottee and Walsh go. Don’t get me wrong, both of them were at the end of their careers but similar impact (albeit after a positive start). Kasper as he is showing, was still more than capable. 
 

The Kasper one coincided with Wes, Fuchs leaving, Vardy losing something due to age and Albrighton no longer influential. 
 

We would’ve got at least 3 more points with Kasper in goal which might have kept us up that season but very likely we would’ve been right back down there the season after. The problem was, with Wes gone, Kasper gone, there was no captain in the team. Maddison tried to take the mantle but lacked the experience of being a captain. Experienced, though it’s hindering us presently can invaluable, especially from those ingrained in the make up of the club.  

[Nolucklcfc]

Some people just won’t have it. Whilst entitled to their opinion it drives me mad. Was talking to someone at work about everything at the club today. Completely defends the board. 
 

- poor recruitment? “It’s all just luck, a lot of signings we made people were fine with at the time” 

 

- high wages?  “we needed to do something to compete with the elite clubs, we couldn’t spend huge fees so needed to entice players in via that route” 

 

-relegation? “They should have sacked Rodgers earlier yes but no one thought that team would go down, they’ve just been unlucky” 

 

- General running of the club? “The board have just been incredibly unlucky, they gambled on being successful but were hit with covid and hit with a completely unexpected relegation which has set us so far back. 

- Rudkin? “Not great but wouldn’t remove him, would just bring in help. 
 

I despair.

[Soar Fox]

58 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

Schmeichel been outstanding in the Champions League tonight.

 

Looking back we can probably say even just that one decision set us back a couple of decades. We keep Kasper and we stay up and none of this would have followed. 

Yep, he wasn’t just an outstanding goalkeeper he was a leader and a massive presence. He would have also gone to Top directly if he thought Brendan Rodgers needed dismissing a lot earlier into the season. 
 

Still one of the most baffling decisions was dropping him for the Watford game when he was on a for a record consecutive run of games. Was that a club decision to piss him off or was that a Brendan Rodgers choice.

[CosbehFox]

3 hours ago, Pliskin said:

True. Seagrave alone isn’t a magical place that develops world class talent in a lab. It was built to facilitate success, but we’ve decided to destroy the other cogs that also facilitate success. At the moment we’re like a lottery winner who won the jackpot, purchased a massive house and then pissed all of their money away, and now just have a big empty house and that’s it. 

Telling thing with Seagrave is having a load of really good, talented staff give their input into the design and the extent of its quality but now they’ve all left including the head groundsman! 

[Stadt]

31 minutes ago, Nolucklcfc said:

Some people just won’t have it. Whilst entitled to their opinion it drives me mad. Was talking to someone at work about everything at the club today. Completely defends the board. 
 

- poor recruitment? “It’s all just luck, a lot of signings we made people were fine with at the time” 

 

- high wages?  “we needed to do something to compete with the elite clubs, we couldn’t spend huge fees so needed to entice players in via that route” 

 

-relegation? “They should have sacked Rodgers earlier yes but no one thought that team would go down, they’ve just been unlucky” 

 

- General running of the club? “The board have just been incredibly unlucky, they gambled on being successful but were hit with covid and hit with a completely unexpected relegation which has set us so far back. 

- Rudkin? “Not great but wouldn’t remove him, would just bring in help. 
 

I despair.

It’s maddening dealing with this sort. They’re just low information fans that barely know anything about how clubs operate, nor will they have it that you might, just might know more than them.

[The Doctor]

22 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Telling thing with Seagrave is having a load of really good, talented staff give their input into the design and the extent of its quality but now they’ve all left including the head groundsman! 

this is the issue though, it's a top notch set up but needs to be staffed properly, and that requires there to be any prospect of progression, which there isn't, because it's a jobs for the boys attitude at the higher levels.

[Nolucklcfc]

9 minutes ago, Stadt said:

It’s maddening dealing with this sort. They’re just low information fans that barely know anything about how clubs operate, nor will they have it that you might, just might know more than them.

It riles me up 

[ClaphamFox]

1 hour ago, Silebyfox_89 said:

Top he's to decide what kind of owner he wants to be?

 

Run away from the problems or go to the water like Rafiki should Simba?

 

Yes I've watched the Lion King and can see similarities our current situation.

It’s also about what kind of owner he’s capable of being. Leadership isn’t just a matter of will - if it isn’t in you, there’s not much you can do.

 

The fundamental problem we have - as I see it anyway - is that we’ve retained a highly centralised, secretive leadership structure in which all decisions are made by a very small group of people but haven’t bothered to recruit the best people for those roles. A concentrated decision-making structure can work if at least one of those making the decisions has the vision, business acumen, ruthlessness and energy to succeed. We had that with Vichai and reaped the benefits. Since his tragic passing, we’ve retained the same structure but no longer have anybody with the leadership skills and force of personality to make it work. Without Vichai as a driving force, our recruitment has disintegrated into a complete mess, apathy has infected the squad and a stench of decay lingers over the club.

 

While this has been happening, other clubs have worked hard on becoming more professional by recruiting teams of talented, experienced people to lead them - and have overtaken us in the process. Our refusal to change the way we operate and get more talented people in has meant we have stagnated while others are moving forward. I’d love to say that Top will realise all of this soon and do what is necessary, but I’m not convinced he will.

Edited 22 January by ClaphamFox

[CosbehFox]

3 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

this is the issue though, it's a top notch set up but needs to be staffed properly, and that requires there to be any prospect of progression, which there isn't, because it's a jobs for the boys attitude at the higher levels.

Bullseye. 

[ClaphamFox]

Accidental post.

Edited 22 January by ClaphamFox

[CosbehFox]

Btw I’m finding the ‘yeah but you’ve got support the players’ line tiring already 

 

This is a set of players what causes their own issue by having a Christmas party in Copenhagen and very publically making fun of their manager (at the time). 
 

They have been indulged by this owner. Gifted a week on the piss in Monaco for winning the Championship despite being one of the favourites. 
 

I haven’t seen a tackle in anger for weeks. The number of players who looked ****ed at the end of the game I can count on one hand. 
 

The whole set up has no standards. Over celebrating a second tier title after relegation. Get your heads done and get working. That’s before we go into a whole raft of individual demeanours. It’s a joke Choudhury is still playing with us and how the club swept that relatively under the carpet 

Edited 23 January by CosbehFox

[Tommy G]

39 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Telling thing with Seagrave is having a load of really good, talented staff give their input into the design and the extent of its quality but now they’ve all left including the head groundsman! 

To be fair he probably would of got life changing money at Man City compared to us, can’t blame him 

[Dan]

4 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

Btw I’m finding the ‘yeah but you’ve got support the players’ line tiring already 

 

This is a set of players what causes their own issue by having a Christmas party in Copenhagen and very publically making fun of their manager (at the time). 
 

They have been indulged by this owner. Gifted a week on the piss in Monaco for winning the Championship despite being one of the favourites. 
 

I haven’t seen a tackle in anger for weeks. The number of players who looked ****ed at the end of the game I can count on one hand. 
 

The whole set up has no standards. Over celebrating a second tier title after relegation. Get your heads done and get working. That’s before we go into a whole raft of individual demeanours. It’s a joke Choudhury is still playing with us and how the club swept that relatively under the carpet 

The Championship thing should've been treated as a job done rather than some sort of achievement. A very unique situation caused only by the staggering levels of ineptness served up the year prior. Even then we did our best to blow it and only didn't because the others let us off.

 

The support the players line always comes from people on Facebook who I guarantee don't actually support the players in the ground.

[Sly]

1 hour ago, Dan LCFC said:

The Championship thing should've been treated as a job done rather than some sort of achievement. A very unique situation caused only by the staggering levels of ineptness served up the year prior. Even then we did our best to blow it and only didn't because the others let us off.

 

The support the players line always comes from people on Facebook who I guarantee don't actually support the players in the ground.

I said at the time, an open top bus parade felt like celebrating failure to me.

 

Rightly so, some indicated that the younger generation etc would have like to see it which I get.

 

It was the bus full of random “influencers”, that just showed our disconnect! 

[Sly]

I was having a conversation with a few people yesterday that support other clubs. 
 

Whilst not knowing the details they agreed that they can’t believe how quickly we’ve nose dived. 
 

One was a Leeds fan and he said it sounded like them under Risdale / O’Leary. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

8 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

Allowing Schmeichel to leave and not replacing him must be the most criminally negligent decision ever taken by anybody associated with our club (and Lord knows there is some stiff competition for that honour). But keeping him would not have single-handedly solved all of the deep-rooted cultural issues at the club, nor would it have saved us from a PSR charge and likely points deduction last season. We may have avoided relegation, but I’m not convinced we’d be in a radically better position as a club now because our problems go way beyond the decision to let Schmeichel go, however incomprehensible that was. 

Couldn’t agree more, appalling decision, not only was Kasper still the best goalkeeper at the club at the time we moved him on, but he was a leader and most importantly he set, maintained and demanded professionalism and high standards, as soon as he left you could see the drop off, no way would we have been relegated had he stayed. 
 

It always felt like it was a Brendan decision but given how he has signed and flourishing at Celtic, then it can only have been a club led decision which is even more baffling and bizarre to comprehend. 

[Lionator]

52 minutes ago, Sly said:

I was having a conversation with a few people yesterday that support other clubs. 
 

Whilst not knowing the details they agreed that they can’t believe how quickly we’ve nose dived. 
 

One was a Leeds fan and he said it sounded like them under Risdale / O’Leary. 

The difference is that under Risdale, they were spending money that they literally did not have. We’re spending money that we do have but using completely inappropriately. 

[LCFCJohn]

1 hour ago, Sly said:

I said at the time, an open top bus parade felt like celebrating failure to me.

 

Rightly so, some indicated that the younger generation etc would have like to see it which I get.

 

It was the bus full of random “influencers”, that just showed our disconnect! 

I didn’t have a problem with celebrating it. As you say, there are younger fans to consider, a number of players who weren’t involved in the failure like Fatawu, Hermansen, Winks, Mavididi etc who were key to last season and some like KDH who whilst around for the relegation, wasn’t in my view, complicit like others were and Vardy. And of course Enzo and his team.

 

And the record number of second tier titles is a positive too.

 

But for me, Top, Rudkin and any non playing/coaching staff should have been nowhere near it, not to mention all the Thai lot.