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[Torquay Gunner]

33 minutes ago, kenny said:

I have said before that if he is a threat to national security then the CIA will sort it.

You mean like the Oliver Stone version of JFK? 

[leicsmac]

34 minutes ago, kenny said:

I have said before that if he is a threat to national security then the CIA will sort it.

He's aiming for executive capture of that and all other federal agencies for that exact reason.

 

Fanatical loyalists to him at the top will allow him to do as he wishes.

[kenny]

47 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

He keeps this up then corporate America will find a way to deal with him 

Have you seen the Tesla fraud story in Canada?

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/teslas-being-accused-something-unbelievably-191217748.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACUMo3kcGX6aAIdtHsmCfJSBBwlbHXuE5fhjiqoKMBIt6ARrxJDxuM6jpnpciNvQU4MgSzx15BV1fgqJxU0vgBr4Y1eIAJpLvkVZakfTNaTI45I_7y4TeYr5VLyXmAx3RWqW1f-7ToJkBhX5dLCwEx9AuPcOf5uDOQPAGT-90VpK

[Lionator]

38 minutes ago, kenny said:

I have said before that if he is a threat to national security then the CIA will sort it.

Some would argue they had their shot and missed (or hit his ear)

[Lionator]

I know we knew it was coming but Rutte coming out and directly saying Ukraine can’t join NATO is pretty extraordinary and sad in so many ways. Then saying NATO and Russia need to normalise their relationship. All those deaths and fighting over a decade, all for what?

Edited 14 March by Lionator

[leicsmac]

14 minutes ago, Lionator said:

I know we knew it was coming but Rutte coming out and directly saying Ukraine can’t join NATO is pretty extraordinary and sad in so many ways. Then saying NATO and Russia need to normalise their relationship. All those deaths and fighting over a decade, all for what?

Realpolitik.

 

Apparently it's "worth it".

[WigstonWanderer]

15 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

Someone in the office the other day said "Trump gets things done", and I read or heard something today that suggested New York cab drivers like him also "because he gets things done", and I was reminded of a particularly depressing Christmas do I was at in 2019 where some bore was telling me that the newly elected Boris Johnson was going to be brilliant because he "gets things done" and it feels like maybe there's a bit of a pattern here

Yes, Americans are learning (I hope) as the UK did before them, that if you elect a clown, you get a circus.

[urban.spaceman]

1 hour ago, Jattdogg said:

He keeps this up then corporate America will find a way to deal with him 

 

1 hour ago, kenny said:

I have said before that if he is a threat to national security then the CIA will sort it.

I firmly believe that Trump will not survive until 2028. 

 

Whether that's as president or as a (barely) human, I can't tell yet.

[urban.spaceman]

15 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

Someone in the office the other day said "Trump gets things done", and I read or heard something today that suggested New York cab drivers like him also "because he gets things done", and I was reminded of a particularly depressing Christmas do I was at in 2019 where some bore was telling me that the newly elected Boris Johnson was going to be brilliant because he "gets things done" and it feels like maybe there's a bit of a pattern here

Will it ever dawn on these people that the "stuff" the likes of Trump and Boris "get done" is harmful, reprehensible shit?

[leicsmac]

38 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Yes, Americans are learning (I hope) as the UK did before them, that if you elect a clown, you get a circus.

I hope that you're right, but I fear that if you were, they would have recognised this a long time before now.

 

2 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Will it ever dawn on these people that the "stuff" the likes of Trump and Boris "get done" is harmful, reprehensible shit?

Yes. Because deep down, that's actually what they want.

[bovril]

4 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Will it ever dawn on these people that the "stuff" the likes of Trump and Boris "get done" is harmful, reprehensible shit?

Quite ironic that the main thing Boris got done was treble immigration

[Alf Bentley]

8 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Will it ever dawn on these people that the "stuff" the likes of Trump and Boris "get done" is harmful, reprehensible shit?

 

Thanks, you triggered me to listen to this for the first time in decades:

 

 

Mind you, Trump and Boris aren't "obsessed with order" and don't have "a passion for discipline", more like the opposite.

The rest of the song seems pretty relevant, though.

[Torquay Gunner]

1 hour ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Yes, Americans are learning (I hope) as the UK did before them, that if you elect a clown, you get a circus.

Or clearly not, since they re-elected the imbecile. 

[Sampson]

What I’ll never understand is why so many conservatives get behind the likes of Trump and Farage when they are extremely radical leaders who are the polar opposite of conservatism i.e. conserving tradition and order and they are in favour of smashing it. Similarly, We are always told the Tories were “the party of law and order” but the likes of Trump and Farage are all about not caring about both international and national laws and order and trying to find ways to smash them or just flat out ignore them.  

Edited 14 March by Sampson

[Detroit Blues]

41 minutes ago, Sampson said:

What I’ll never understand is why so many conservatives get behind the likes of Trump and Farage when they are extremely radical leaders who are the polar opposite of conservatism i.e. conserving tradition and order and they are in favour of smashing it. Similarly, We are always told the Tories were “the party of law and order” but the likes of Trump and Farage are all about not caring about both international and national laws and order and trying to find ways to smash them or just flat out ignore them.  

 When Trump landed on the scene in the 2016 republican primary, there was a giant power vacuum within the Republican Party and Trump was able to use the MAGA populists (non-traditional conservatives) to grab control of the party, because traditional conservatives were divided between supporting Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, etc.  By the time an anti-trump coalition formed, Trump had grabbed enough moderate republicans to his base that they did not stand a chance.

Once Trump won the ticket, the two party system forced anti-trump conservatives to either move to the Democratic Party, or align to his extremist populist agenda.  Unfortunately for the world, Republicans have proven to be more interested in wielding federal power than they are preserving American Ideals/Values.

[Corky]

10 hours ago, Zear0 said:

I'm a scatman! 

Them foreigners from Scatland are ruining are country!!

[bovril]

1 hour ago, Sampson said:

What I’ll never understand is why so many conservatives get behind the likes of Trump and Farage when they are extremely radical leaders who are the polar opposite of conservatism i.e. conserving tradition and order and they are in favour of smashing it. Similarly, We are always told the Tories were “the party of law and order” but the likes of Trump and Farage are all about not caring about both international and national laws and order and trying to find ways to smash them or just flat out ignore them.  

A lot of British conservativism is just mistrust of foreigners, particularly Europeans, and the belief that Anglos should be running the world. They're not actually interested in conserving things.

[leicsmac]

7 minutes ago, bovril said:

A lot of British conservativism is just mistrust of foreigners, particularly Europeans, and the belief that Anglos should be running the world. They're not actually interested in conserving things.

And the British that went over the waves to found the thirteen American colonies carried on and so their descendants (as well as, funnily enough, some that would be considered "foreigners" a while back) carry on that proud tradition too.

 

Like you said, a lot of it is not about conserving anything but some values like women and "foreigners" having second or lower tier places in society.

Edited 14 March by leicsmac

[Blarmy]

Unfortunately, a lot of people are just flat out stupid and therefore easily manipulated. On top of that, technology has made it very easy to manipulate the easily manipulated en masse. 

Edited 14 March by Blarmy

[Bilo]

4 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

I firmly believe that Trump will not survive until 2028. 

 

Whether that's as president or as a (barely) human, I can't tell yet.

He's 78, morbidly obese, has a terrible diet, family history of heart disease and dementia, (showing some signs of the latter) and in a job that would cause immense strain to a much fitter, younger man.

 

If he makes it to the end of his term, when he'll be 82, he won't last long after it.

Edited 14 March by Bilo

[Torquay Gunner]

40 minutes ago, Bilo said:

He's 78, morbidly obese, has a terrible diet, family history of heart disease and dementia, (showing some signs of the latter) and in a job that would cause immense strain to a much fitter, younger man.

 

If he makes it to the end of his term, when he'll be 82, he won't last long after it.

Yes if he drops dead now we are just stuck with the equally odious and slimy Vance.  He could be more dangerous anyhow, because he actually has a functioning brain. 

[Bilo]

55 minutes ago, Torquay Gunner said:

Yes if he drops dead now we are just stuck with the equally odious and slimy Vance.  He could be more dangerous anyhow, because he actually has a functioning brain. 

Agree.

 

He does, however  have all the charisma, charm and magnetism of my left bollock with a smiley face drawn on it, so would struggle to command the kind of undying loyalty Trump does.

[Mike Oxlong]

In his latest rant Trump indicates that he is looking to crush the free press 

 

Scary times just got scarier ! 

[fox_favourite]

6 hours ago, Mike Oxlong said:

In his latest rant Trump indicates that he is looking to crush the free press 

 

Scary times just got scarier ! 

A man that says he believes in free speech wanting to stop free speech. 

 

The guy doesn't know his face from his rear. Though crap comes out of both so there is that. 

[Tommy G]

14 hours ago, Sampson said:

What I’ll never understand is why so many conservatives get behind the likes of Trump and Farage when they are extremely radical leaders who are the polar opposite of conservatism i.e. conserving tradition and order and they are in favour of smashing it. Similarly, We are always told the Tories were “the party of law and order” but the likes of Trump and Farage are all about not caring about both international and national laws and order and trying to find ways to smash them or just flat out ignore them.  

Dont tarnish everyone with the same brush.