Managerial replacements

[ClaphamFox]

14 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

If we are accepting relegation now we might aswell bite the bullet and get in a new manager tomorrow and give him a few months to sound these charlatans out. 

There are hardly any decent managers out of work and nobody currently in a job is going to walk out of his club at this stage of the season. If Ruud goes, we will replace him in the summer - and possibly not until early July if it’s somebody we have to pay compensation for. 

Edited 25 February by ClaphamFox

[cityfanlee23]

Just now, ClaphamFox said:

There are hardly any decent managers out of work and nobody currently in a job is going to walk out of his club at this stage of the season. If Ruud goes, we will replace him in the summer - and possibly not until early July if it’s somebody we have to pay compensation for. 

Yep fully accept that, only bite the bullet if we can convince someone to walk, if not we might aswell wait until summer. 

[Fox92]

6 hours ago, Sly said:

If Maresca goes from Chelsea, it will be him coming back. 
 

Some don’t like the football, however it’s largely successful and his recruitment was significantly better than Cooper.

I just posted in another thread but I would argue it wasn't really.  We still spent 8m on Coady and 7m on Cannon. While the players we bought we good enough for the Championship, we weren't looking into the future because these sort of players were never improving us for a Premier League season. Winks and Mavididi fall into this category. However Hermansen and Fatawu were good finds, of course.

 

As for the football being successful, of course it's a success to win any league title but we didn't even reach 100 points. We won the league by a single point yet our squad was much better than the rest of the league. So far with Chelsea he's been knocked out of both domestic cups and has fell away in the league and is now fighting for a top 6 finish. They finished 6th last season, reached the final of the league cup and lost in the semi final of the FA Cup.

 

Personally I'd prefer to have a complete fresh start.

Edited 25 February by Fox92

[LVFox]

Let's be honest, I doubt Enzo had any idea who Fatawu or Hermansen were before he joined. Be really interested to see who in our recruitment team is finding those two and Bilal,  and who is responsible for Ayew, BDCR and Skipp

[Chelmofox]

31 minutes ago, LVFox said:

Let's be honest, I doubt Enzo had any idea who Fatawu or Hermansen were before he joined. Be really interested to see who in our recruitment team is finding those two and Bilal,  and who is responsible for Ayew, BDCR and Skipp

Might be wrong but wasn't it reported that Mads was his recommendation, especially as a ball playing keeper was fundamental to the strategy (and Iversen doesn't actually have feet).  I think i remember is being reported that he didn't know who Fatawu was.

[CosbehFox]

Difference between Enzo/Cooper recruitment was that Enzo would have knew what we needed rather than Cooper needlessly spending on our biggest sum of money on a CM 

[Tommy G]

1 hour ago, cityfanlee23 said:

I'm going to annoy a few on here I'd expect as i've said it approx 378 times at this point, but my friend trio are lifelong Wednesday and Bournemouth fans, Danny is the man. £5m buyout, if you think LCFC is in a mess, wait until you see Wednesday, Danny Rohl would come here, maybe not now (although the lure of the prem would be massive) as he's a principled bloke it seems and he wants to keep going for the playoffs with Wednesday, but he's literally turned around a ship in far bigger crisis than we have been, and has spent basically nothing getting this League 1 squad from guaranteed relegation to playoff contenders. 
The job he's doing there is absolutely massive. 

This is the sort of manager every single fan should be behind. Heavy metal German football, tactically fluid, young and hungry manager that is on his way to the top, he would have our current squad top of the league in the championship, absolutely zero doubt. 

 

 

Are you his agent?

 

He's done OK and not worked wonders like McKenna did at Ipswich (back to back promotions) Sheff Weds are 12th, not contenders. £5m buyout is a massive gamble on an unproven manager

[cityfanlee23]

10 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Are you his agent?

 

He's done OK and not worked wonders like McKenna did at Ipswich (back to back promotions) Sheff Weds are 12th, not contenders. £5m buyout is a massive gamble on an unproven manager

12th and 6 points off the playoffs with a squad that were destined for league 1 and no money, 18 signings, 14 on free/loan deals and 5m spent on the other 4, Mckenna did an incredible job also.
£5m is peanuts imo, £5m for a man who can change the entire ethos of a football club like for example Enzo did, compared to a £5m signing like Ayew. Managers are worth their weight in gold if they are done right, players are a far bigger waste of money in the modern football era when compared to a good manager, just look at Arne Slot, he cost Liverpool £10m, there are very few players who cost £10m and have made the impact Slot has, look at Pearson, worth far more than most of the players he signed. 

Honestly I don't get this idea that spending £5m on a manager is expensive when you see the absolute dross we've bought over the last few years, he's hardly unproven, he's far more proven than Enzo was and he's turned a league 1 club who were in crisis and have an owner who has constantly refused to pay wages, refused to repay loans, told the fans they need to find someone to buy him out etc. 

Rohl is one of the most exciting managers in the football pyramid.

Edited 25 February by cityfanlee23

[LVFox]

Do we know for sure he has a £5m buyout?

 

He's the star candidate for me.

[AjcW]

Would also potentially signal the return of Chris Powel 

[MonarchFox]

I wouldn't mind us going for Liam Rosenior.  He's worked under difficult circumstances at Hull and Strasbourg and has done a decent job.

 

He's playing the youngsters at Strasbourg and might know of a few gems on the cheap

[ClaphamFox]

2 hours ago, cityfanlee23 said:

12th and 6 points off the playoffs with a squad that were destined for league 1 and no money, 18 signings, 14 on free/loan deals and 5m spent on the other 4, Mckenna did an incredible job also.
£5m is peanuts imo, £5m for a man who can change the entire ethos of a football club like for example Enzo did, compared to a £5m signing like Ayew. Managers are worth their weight in gold if they are done right, players are a far bigger waste of money in the modern football era when compared to a good manager, just look at Arne Slot, he cost Liverpool £10m, there are very few players who cost £10m and have made the impact Slot has, look at Pearson, worth far more than most of the players he signed. 

Honestly I don't get this idea that spending £5m on a manager is expensive when you see the absolute dross we've bought over the last few years, he's hardly unproven, he's far more proven than Enzo was and he's turned a league 1 club who were in crisis and have an owner who has constantly refused to pay wages, refused to repay loans, told the fans they need to find someone to buy him out etc. 

Rohl is one of the most exciting managers in the football pyramid.

One of the reasons we went for Cooper was because he was available without compensation - and look where that got us. Hopefully the club has realised that trying to get a new manager on the cheap can backfire spectacularly - even if we have to wait until July to fork out compo for PSR reasons...

Edited 25 February by ClaphamFox

[cityfanlee23]

3 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

One of the reasons we went for Cooper was because available without compensation - and look where that got us. Hopefully the club has realised that trying to get a new manager on the cheap can backfire spectacularly - even if we have to wait until July to fork out compo for PSR reasons...

To this day I still can't understand this, wouldn't spend £4m on Corberan, would spend £55m or whatever it was on players, most of which couldn't care less about the club. 

[oxford blue]

On 24/02/2025 at 11:15, Happy Fox said:

John Mousinho is highly rated? wouldn't be averse to him coming here.

Although  I don't want a managerial replacement (I think there still some who agree?) , I wouldn't object to JM. A name I advocated before Maresca was appointed when there was no doubt a very lengthy thread!. He had done really well at Oxford in a player coach role, well respected as as PFA chairman,. Got Portsmouth promoted after appointment in Jan 23. A few setbacks with Pompey but does seem to learn  and Pompey are some places above relegation zone. An intelligent manager with a good future in management.

[winteriscoming]

I’m a fan of Rohl but I do think we should look at a more experienced manager. 
Urs Fischer would be my no.1 choice. 

[Foxin_Mad]

4 hours ago, cityfanlee23 said:

The most frustrating part of Enzo ball was how slow it was for the majority of the game, Mads to Vestergard to Mavididi, backwards pass to Justin, Across the back 4 to Riccy, Onto the other wing with Fatawu, Pass back to Winks, sideways pass to KDH.... And fans wondered why teams just sat in a deep block against us. Fans spent months arguing that teams sat in a deep block because of how strong our team was, and just couldn't accept it was because we took 50+ passes to even attempt to get into the box giving opposition defenders weeks to plan. I saw on so many occasions the opponents players literally walking across the middle of the pitch to get into a new position because of how slow we were. The only time we actually looked good that season was in the early part of the season where teams didn't really know our system, then a snore fest where we collapsed and almost threw away a 14? 17? point lead, and then the final handful of games where we basically dropped Enzoball and went all out attack and looked exciting, but apparently that was also Enzoball? 

Massive thanks to Enzo for his job in turning the ship around, he really did turn around the feeling at the club from desperation to hope again, but i'd crawl over broken glass before having to watch that football again. 

I think that’s part of the reason we are so laid back now, like just get the ball in the ****ing box, create some jeopardy. When the ball is triangling between the centre backs it’s more dangerous to us! We need a fresh start, with as many new teams as possible. Chelsea made a huge mistake getting rid of poch, one of the best managers in the world for enzo, they started well because of pochs work. 

 

If Rudkin is still here we’re aren’t getting anyone outside the box. 

Edited 25 February by Foxin_Mad

[cityfanlee23]

15 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

I’m a fan of Rohl but I do think we should look at a more experienced manager. 
Urs Fischer would be my no.1 choice. 

Massive bias for me on Rohl, but Urs is absolute priority if we can't get Danny. 
 

[murphy]

3 hours ago, Tommy G said:

Are you his agent?

 

He's done OK and not worked wonders like McKenna did at Ipswich (back to back promotions) Sheff Weds are 12th, not contenders. £5m buyout is a massive gamble on an unproven manager

He has done better than 'OK'.  Last year, Wednesday were dead and buried with time running out when he walked in.

[Tommy G]

10 minutes ago, murphy said:

He has done better than 'OK'.  Last year, Wednesday were dead and buried with time running out when he walked in.

Ok, he's done better than ''OK'' but not sure a £5m roll of the dice is a good idea for someone who is unproven and achieved less than RvN.

 

We desperately need someone who is experienced and who can stabilise the club on the pitch at least and who has a proven track record of doing so.  

[deep blue]

Just now, Tommy G said:

Ok, he's done better than ''OK'' but not sure a £5m roll of the dice is a good idea for someone who is unproven and achieved less than RvN.

 

We desperately need someone who is experienced and who can stabilise the club on the pitch at least and who has a proven track record of doing so.  

Everyone is "unproven" until he's given a chance to prove himself.

[ClaphamFox]

20 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Ok, he's done better than ''OK'' but not sure a £5m roll of the dice is a good idea for someone who is unproven and achieved less than RvN.

 

We desperately need someone who is experienced and who can stabilise the club on the pitch at least and who has a proven track record of doing so.  

Very few managers fit that description who are: a) of the right quality; and b) available. More likely we'll end up taking a punt on an up-and-coming name instead.

Edited 25 February by ClaphamFox

[Tommy G]

2 minutes ago, deep blue said:

Everyone is "unproven" until he's given a chance to prove himself.

Don’t disagree - I just think IMO that’s what we don’t need at the moment given the state we are in. An experienced hand at the wheel would be better 

[deep blue]

Just now, Tommy G said:

Don’t disagree - I just think IMO that’s what we don’t need at the moment given the state we are in. An experienced hand at the wheel would be better 

Maybe.  We're had our share of duds recently, and anyone coming in has such a mess to sort out, that it's hard to know what's the right way to go.  I almost feel sorry for Top 

[teblin]

4 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

Difference between Enzo/Cooper recruitment was that Enzo would have knew what we needed rather than Cooper needlessly spending on our biggest sum of money on a CM 

Wasn’t that so with cooper having an issue with Winks.

[HybridFox]

My heart stopped for a second when I saw this!