Next Manager

[kingfox]

1 hour ago, VLC86 said:

I’d be worried about a lack of experience when our club is in such a state.

Played 4-2-3-1 at times for Watford last season

Possession based, with a midfield dictator in Imran Louza pulling the strings, Winks or Skipp can do that job for us

Direct ball carriers in Giorgi Chakvetadze and Kwadwo Baah, we have that with Mavididi and Fatawu 

Gives young players a chance

 

Yes he lacks experience, but so did Maresca. Cleverley was far from perfect last season, but in terms of playing style and developing young players, Cleverley would make a lot of sense.

[VLC86]

1 minute ago, kingfox said:

Played 4-2-3-1 at times for Watford last season

Possession based, with a midfield dictator in Imran Louza pulling the strings, Winks or Skipp can do that job for us

Direct ball carriers in Giorgi Chakvetadze and Kwadwo Baah, we have that with Mavididi and Fatawu 

Gives young players a chance

 

Yes he lacks experience, but so did Maresca. Cleverley was far from perfect last season, but in terms of playing style and developing young players, Cleverley would make a lot of sense.

He’d get eaten alive IMO. Maresca had to deal

with huge characters.

[smudgerfox]

17 minutes ago, LVFox said:

Michael Keane and Ben Mee at CB. Ayew and Kieffer Moore up front.

 

Football heritage

Get a grip! Do you really think SD looked at all the centre backs in the world and concluded that this was his favoured pairing?

 

Or maybe, just maybe, was it that  they were already in place or available to buy cheaply and they'd do a job for him? 
 

He kept Everton up in the season we went down,  with Ashley Young at f/b, Keane at c/b and one barely fit striker. 
 

At the very least he deserves respect for what hes achieved in terrible circumstances..

[RyCleary]

Would rather Martin than Ruud 

[LVFox]

8 minutes ago, smudgerfox said:

Get a grip! Do you really think SD looked at all the centre backs in the world and concluded that this was his favoured pairing?

 

Or maybe, just maybe, was it that  they were already in place or available to buy cheaply and they'd do a job for him? 
 

He kept Everton up in the season we went down,  with Ashley Young at f/b, Keane at c/b and one barely fit striker. 
 

At the very least he deserves respect for what hes achieved in terrible circumstances..

****ing hell.....sorry Sean

[OntarioFox]

Well, it's now

* June

* Monday

* The afternoon 

We're not hearing anything again are we?

[MGLCFC]

I'd have thought so long as we have the manager named and in post before the players report back for pre-season fitness work, then it's no detriment to how we are prepared whether the appointment is today or mid June.

As others have said, if they are interested in Danny Rohl, I can see the logic of waiting until the compensation required is significantly reduced. Again whether he is the one and is appointed today or after 6th June has no impact on pre season, but could save several millions.

I think they are hoping Ruud will walk, but why should he unless he has the opportunity of joining another club. It maybe that they can put him on gardening leave until July 1st. I really don't know legal angle on this.

However, I have little faith that appointing the next manager will be a straight forward procedure.

[J. James]

If Danny Rohl signs on 6th June, does this become D Day?

Just wondering.. 🤔

[LFEFox23]

Ruud's staying isn't he.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

How much more farcical can it get? I’m just waiting for the club to arrange a press conference to announce that the announcement is that there is no announcement…

 

 

[ClaphamFox]

6 minutes ago, LFEFox23 said:

Ruud's staying isn't he.

Last summer we appointed our new permanent manager on 20 June. The previous summer it was 16 June.

 

Today is the 2nd of June. 

Edited 2 June 2025 by ClaphamFox

[teblin]

8 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Last summer we appointed our new permanent manager on 20 June. The previous summer it was 16 June.

 

Today is the 2nd of June. 

Also Enzo didn't leave until 3rd I believe too. I think more will happen when we are officially a championship club, but don't be surprised if its next financial year.

Edited 2 June 2025 by teblin

[OriginalRobboFOX]

3 hours ago, Ricey said:

He sneers at anything new or modern at any opportunity, in the same way Allardyce did towards the end of his career. Watch his Stick to Football interview and it’s really clear that he doesn’t really believe in data, analytics or any new tactical trends. He’s entrenched in the old ways.

 

He’s another one that we did a talk with when I worked on FM and a lot of questions were about data, recruitment, how he worked with Directors of Football etc. Most questions were answered quite dismissively, as if he knew those things were unavoidable nowadays but he didn’t believe in them. They were a hindrance to him.
 

When we have a state of the art training ground and fruitful academy, we need someone that believes in that. We need someone that’s innovative in their thinking, in the same way Pearson was all those years a go.

Can you please go back to FM Ricey and get 25/26 out asap. I fear another delayed release this year with you there 😂 

[AKCJ]

24 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Last summer we appointed our new permanent manager on 20 June. The previous summer it was 16 June.

 

Today is the 2nd of June. 

When we were relegated in 22/23 on 28th May 2023 it took us until the 16th June to sack Dean Smith and appoint Enzo Maresca. That's 19 days until we took action with a further 

 

In 23/24 when Chelsea announced they'd paid the release clause for Enzo it was the 3rd June 2024. We appointed Cooper on the 20th June. That's 17 days until we took action.

 

This season we got relegated on the 20th April 2025. Here we are now on the 2nd of June with seemingly no plan in place. 43 days later.

[teblin]

1 minute ago, AKCJ said:

When we were relegated in 22/23 on 28th May 2023 it took us until the 16th June to sack Dean Smith and appoint Enzo Maresca. That's 19 days until we took action with a further 

 

In 23/24 when Chelsea announced they'd paid the release clause for Enzo it was the 3rd June 2024. We appointed Cooper on the 20th June. That's 17 days until we took action.

 

This season we got relegated on the 20th April 2025. Here we are now on the 2nd of June with seemingly no plan in place. 43 days later.

This is also very true.

 

As much as I don't want this to be true but I think it'll be July befor we know much more, I don't think we want RVN payments on this years accounts.

[Iwebema]

39 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Last summer we appointed our new permanent manager on 20 June. The previous summer it was 16 June.

 

Today is the 2nd of June. 

👀

[Les-TA-Jon]

51 minutes ago, LFEFox23 said:

Ruud's staying isn't he.

 

46 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

How much more farcical can it get? I’m just waiting for the club to arrange a press conference to announce that the announcement is that there is no announcement…

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

When we were relegated in 22/23 on 28th May 2023 it took us until the 16th June to sack Dean Smith and appoint Enzo Maresca. That's 19 days until we took action with a further 

 

In 23/24 when Chelsea announced they'd paid the release clause for Enzo it was the 3rd June 2024. We appointed Cooper on the 20th June. That's 17 days until we took action.

 

This season we got relegated on the 20th April 2025. Here we are now on the 2nd of June with seemingly no plan in place. 43 days later.

Why is 2nd June now seen as some magical line in the sand? 

 

Most people can see that we take our time and that clearly, the club needs to identify, talk to and potentially negotiate with multiple candidates. That takes time. 

 

Also, don't a lot of people predict that we have to wait until July to knock any costs into next accounting period? 

[Lambert09]

2 hours ago, kingfox said:

Played 4-2-3-1 at times for Watford last season

Possession based, with a midfield dictator in Imran Louza pulling the strings, Winks or Skipp can do that job for us

Direct ball carriers in Giorgi Chakvetadze and Kwadwo Baah, we have that with Mavididi and Fatawu 

Gives young players a chance

 

Yes he lacks experience, but so did Maresca. Cleverley was far from perfect last season, but in terms of playing style and developing young players, Cleverley would make a lot of sense.

There’s a big difference. one worked under the best coach of the last 20 years and was very highly rated on his knowledge and coaching. He was unknown as  club manager but you can’t call someone who was part of a team that just won the treble “lacking experience” he had plenty of experience, just a different type of experience.

 

Cleverley has been thrown in  as a stop gap, as he knew the club well and probably some of the personalities. He’s not made drastic changes, applied a new style and built a club up. He’s essentially maintained the path they were on. Tbqh half of our squad have more experience of success than him and I think this would be a horrible decision.  
 

He might make a fantastic coach one day and your gut feeling could be right but he’s simply not done anything at this stage that should even have him in contention. If you are giving an unknown explayer a chance because they have the right potential, imo this has to be done on one of your own, that you know well and they know you well (He wasn’t with us long enough).  
 

We have far too much at stake this season for a gamble of this magnitude. 
 

we just took a similar gamble on rvn, which is far more comparable and this has gone horribly for us. 

 

 

 

Edited 2 June 2025 by Lambert09

[AyewJoking]

2 hours ago, RyCleary said:

Would rather Martin than Ruud 

Can we please keep sexual preference out of this..

[James and his giant peach]

25 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

There’s a big difference. one worked under the best coach of the last 20 years and was very highly rated on his knowledge and coaching. He was unknown as  club manager but you can’t call someone who was part of a team that just won the treble “lacking experience” he had plenty of experience, just a different type of experience.

 

Cleverley has been thrown in  as a stop gap, as he knew the club well and probably some of the personalities. He’s not made drastic changes, applied a new style and built a club up. He’s essentially maintained the path they were on. Tbqh half of our squad have more experience of success than him and I think this would be a horrible decision.  
 

He might make a fantastic coach one day and your gut feeling could be right but he’s simply not done anything at this stage that should even have him in contention. If you are giving an unknown explayer a chance because they have the right potential, imo this has to be done on one of your own, that you know well and they know you well (He wasn’t with us long enough).  
 

We have far too much at stake this season for a gamble of this magnitude. 
 

we just took a similar gamble on rvn, which is far more comparable and this has gone horribly for us. 

 

 

 

Brilliant post, best I've read on here in ages, and spot on. This appointment is absolutely crucial and Cleverley would be too big a risk right now.

[kingfox]

15 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

There’s a big difference. one worked under the best coach of the last 20 years and was very highly rated on his knowledge and coaching. He was unknown as  club manager but you can’t call someone who was part of a team that just won the treble “lacking experience” he had plenty of experience, just a different type of experience.

 

Cleverley has been thrown in  as a stop gap, as he knew the club well and probably some of the personalities. He’s not made drastic changes, applied a new style and built a club up. He’s essentially maintained the path they were on. Tbqh half of our squad have more experience of success than him and I think this would be a horrible decision.  
 

He might make a fantastic coach one day and your gut feeling could be right but he’s simply not done anything at this stage that should even have him in contention. If you are giving an unknown explayer a chance because they have the right potential, imo this has to be done on one of your own, that you know well and they know you well (He wasn’t with us long enough).  
 

We have far too much at stake this season for a gamble of this magnitude. 
 

we just took a similar gamble on rvn, which is far more comparable and this has gone horribly for us. 

 

 

 

But he lacked experience as a first team manager, which is why I said it. There’s been endless clamour for Danny Rohl, yet in terms of a first team manager, he has one more year of experience over Cleverley, while Sheff Wed and Watford were only separated by one point. 
 

Plenty of Watford fans will say that Cleverley was harshly sacked, he wasn’t backed in January and one of their key players in Baah got injured. We have a plethora of youngsters coming through at Leicester, Cleverley had plenty of them at his disposal at Watford and got the best out of quite a few of them. Isn’t that partly what we need right now? 
 

“We have far too much at stake this season for a gamble of this magnitude”. 
 

Talking along them lines, I guess it’s someone like Dyche or Hasenhuttl for you then? 

[Lambert09]

42 minutes ago, kingfox said:

But he lacked experience as a first team manager, which is why I said it. There’s been endless clamour for Danny Rohl, yet in terms of a first team manager, he has one more year of experience over Cleverley, while Sheff Wed and Watford were only separated by one point. 
 

Plenty of Watford fans will say that Cleverley was harshly sacked, he wasn’t backed in January and one of their key players in Baah got injured. We have a plethora of youngsters coming through at Leicester, Cleverley had plenty of them at his disposal at Watford and got the best out of quite a few of them. Isn’t that partly what we need right now? 
 

“We have far too much at stake this season for a gamble of this magnitude”. 
 

Talking along them lines, I guess it’s someone like Dyche or Hasenhuttl for you then? 

I believe you go for the most qualified for the job you need done. They don’t need to have vast experience and I fully supported the recruitment of Enzo and actively called for it. 
 

We need someone capable of a rebuild who has a vision and clear philosophy. that has to also align with the players we have and the direction the club wants to go in.  
 

For me that rules out dyche.. he ticks some of the boxes but his style is not what our ownership want, so it’s a non starter.  For what we want, possession based, I hope we have a more dynamic person who prefers to  attack with a focus of winning the ball back quickly  to maintain the possession rather than keep it at all costs.
 

 Ideally someone who doesn’t have a visible glass ceiling; as id like the manager to be here for the next 5 years if possible. 

 

Rohl, rosenior, (will still was) and quite a few of the other names mentioned are fits . And in my opinion are substantially less of a risk than TC.  Manning is another example of a very good option but not someone I’d take the risk on at this time. 

 

You might be right and cleverly might end up being the best of the lot but would you gamble the clubs future on that, based on a short stint at watford where he’s not actually achieved anything .  If you look at the watford squad and compare it to the Sheffield Wednesday one…. You make the point well… Rohl was just 1 point behind with a league 1 squad in turmoil. 
 

 

Edited 2 June 2025 by Lambert09

[dannythefox]

I said before the last game we’re in danger of keeping RVN now and personally I think if they can’t get Dyche they’ll keep him and it’s looking more likely this is going to happen now 

[kingfox]

4 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

I believe you go for the most qualified for the job you need done. They don’t need to have vast experience and I fully supported the recruitment of Enzo and actively called for it. 
 

We need someone capable of a rebuild who has a vision and clear philosophy. that has to also align with the players we have and the direction the club wants to go in.  
 

For me that rules out dyche.. he ticks some of the boxes but his style is not what our ownership want, so it’s a non starter.  For what we want, possession based, I hope we have a more dynamic person who prefers to  attack with a focus of winning the ball back quickly  to maintain the possession rather than keep it at all costs.
 

 Ideally someone who doesn’t have a visible glass ceiling; as id like the manager to be here for the next 5 years if possible. 

 

Rohl, rosenior, (will still was) and quite a few of the other names mentioned are fits . And in my opinion are substantially less of a risk than TC.  Manning is another example of a very good option but not someone I’d take the risk on at this time. 

 

You might be right and cleverly might end up being the best of the lot but would you gamble the clubs future on that, based on a short stint at watford where he’s not actually achieved anything .  If you look at the watford squad and compare it to the Sheffield Wednesday one…. You make the point well… Rohl was just 1 point behind with a league 1 squad in turmoil. 
 

 

And even though you disagree, it’s exactly why I’ve mentioned Cleverley. 
 

“Aligns with the players we have”. He went with a 4-2-3-1 formation at times last season which is perfect for our squad. He played with direct ball carriers which is what we have in Mavididi and Fatawu. Played with a deep-lying playmaker, we have that in Winks and Skipp. While as I’ve said, he prioritised youth which is what we need right now. 
 

If the club want to stick with a more possession based style, he’ll give us that too. 
 

Rohl would be my number 1 choice because he fits the up-and-coming fresh approach, but let’s be honest, he’d come with a few red flags too. For example Sheffield Wednesday had one of the oldest squads in the Championship, he relied on numerous 30+ year olds, he could do the exact same thing at Leicester, we’d be dipping right into the unknown with him where youth development is concerned. Rosenior has been terrific at Strasbourg with the youngest squad in Ligue 1, his style of play though is far from perfect, some of his stats at Hull were almost identical to Russell Martin’s Southampton team. You say Manning would be a risk, but hasn’t he done a bit more than Danny Rohl? 
 

Many EFL pundits saw Watford as relegation candidates last season, Cleverley got them over performing in the first half of the season. Yes they dropped off in the second half of the season, but as I said in my previous post, they needed a striker in January, the ownership didn’t give him one, so he was relying on a 19 year old because their more senior striker in Vakoun Bayo was crap. While one of their most influential players in Kwadwo Baah got injured, and missed pretty much all of the second half of the season. 
 

I’d be happy with Rohl, Rosenior, Cleverley or Manning as it would be a statement of intent from the club, that they are looking in the fresh up-and-coming direction. With the squad we have, with the plethora of youngsters coming through, I just feel it ticks the right boxes for Cleverley as he had similar at Watford. 

[FosseSpark]

7 hours ago, fox_up_north said:

DO AYEW AND DAKA MEAN NOTHING TO YOU? 

they sit in the 'Vienna' category of players.