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[ClaphamFox]

14 minutes ago, LcFc_Smiv said:

It is in line with what I heard, that essentially the talks took place a few weeks before the end of the season. News broke around points deduction, just after journalists start saying it's Martin. We go very quiet, in the end Martin gets fed up of waiting and progresses with Rangers. This supposedly being the second time we have held talks then delayed, the first being pre Enzo, where Martin took the Southampton job because they came in and offered him guarantees while we were stalling.

 

The individual who told me this I know has some insight into Martins side, although up until a week before he went Rangers he said he was pretty much done here and a new DoF was part of the agreement. Whatever the case everything points to us being a mess which we all largely knew.

It makes you wonder whether the club ‘going silent’ was influenced by the very negative fan reaction to the rumours about Martin joining. Either way, we do indeed appear to be a mess, although in this case it seems to have inadvertently had a positive impact in putting Martin off. 

[fox_favourite]

8 hours ago, Tuna said:

Almost at the point that I really don't care anymore.

This is how I feel. 

 

The lack of communication and disconnect to the fans from the club is killing the love for the game. It comes across as they don't care, rightly or wrongly. Unless it's an exciting appointment (unlikely) then I'll just say; meh, whatever. 

[lcfc_forever]

1 hour ago, LcFc_Smiv said:

It is in line with what I heard, that essentially the talks took place a few weeks before the end of the season. News broke around points deduction, just after journalists start saying it's Martin. We go very quiet, in the end Martin gets fed up of waiting and progresses with Rangers. This supposedly being the second time we have held talks then delayed, the first being pre Enzo, where Martin took the Southampton job because they came in and offered him guarantees while we were stalling.

 

The individual who told me this I know has some insight into Martins side, although up until a week before he went Rangers he said he was pretty much done here and a new DoF was part of the agreement. Whatever the case everything points to us being a mess which we all largely knew.

Doesn’t Pete O’Rourke work for Football Insider who first made the incorrect claims about the manager situation so no wonder he’s saying this to try to explain why they were wrong?
 

Tanner and the most reliable ITKs here said there wasn’t negotiations with Martin, and that all the noise came from his side to add leverage to the Rangers discussion. Worth noting that the same sources who said Martin was a done deal said RvN had been let go but there has been no announcement so makes further takes away their credibility. 
 

Whatever the truth, most people didn’t want Martin anyway. 

[David Gutteridge]

16 hours ago, ithuriel said:

Not a solution at all, just a mooted idea that if we cant pay him off, have him doing something else but you continue to get irate over it, I'll just sit back and laugh at you 

Gardening leave might be a way out?

[Realist Guy In The Room]

7 minutes ago, David Gutteridge said:

Gardening leave might be a way out?

No

[ClaphamFox]

1 hour ago, lcfc_forever said:

Doesn’t Pete O’Rourke work for Football Insider who first made the incorrect claims about the manager situation so no wonder he’s saying this to try to explain why they were wrong?
 

Tanner and the most reliable ITKs here said there wasn’t negotiations with Martin, and that all the noise came from his side to add leverage to the Rangers discussion. Worth noting that the same sources who said Martin was a done deal said RvN had been let go but there has been no announcement so makes further takes away their credibility. 
 

Whatever the truth, most people didn’t want Martin anyway. 

Yes, O'Rourke works for Football Insider, which may well explain why he's spinning this version of events. Journalists working for media outlets like Football Insider and TalkSport (which also claimed that Martin was basically a done deal) are under heavy pressure to get scoops, which makes them more susceptible to being hoodwinked by false rumours. Our club is so centralized and secretive that hardly any genuine leaks come out from our side, which means that any rumours we hear are likely to have come from agents.

 

 

Edited 11 June 2025 by ClaphamFox

[LVFox]

Can’t help but feel we will be hunting through the bargain bin at the end of this month. Not because we haven’t announced anything yet, but solely because the entire club seems to have shut down for the summer.

 

Can see it being a Gary o’Neil, Tony Mowbray, Steven Gerrard or Michael Carrick

[slymunn]

I wouldn't be against Ben Wilkinson & Brian Barry-Murphy if Ruud does go.

[ClaphamFox]

2 minutes ago, slymunn said:

I wouldn't be against Ben Wilkinson & Brian Barry-Murphy if Ruud does go.

Are there any actual rumours about Ben Wilkinson?

[Happy Fox]

Carrick has to get the job for me we cannot afford to go with Brian Barry-Murphy it would be catastrophic we wouldn’t be anywhere near the playoffs or higher.

[slymunn]

7 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

Carrick has to get the job for me we cannot afford to go with Brian Barry-Murphy it would be catastrophic we wouldn’t be anywhere near the playoffs or higher.

Has Carrick shown he can do that in his time with Middlesbrough? They have got worse each season he stayed?

[slymunn]

10 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Are there any actual rumours about Ben Wilkinson?

I don't think there is any actual rumours on him. But he's had a similar roles at Man City to Enzo and Brian Barry-Murphy has worked with him previously.

[roblcfc84]

3 minutes ago, slymunn said:

Has Carrick shown he can do that in his time with Middlesbrough? They have got worse each season he stayed?

In fairness to Carrick he didn’t get huge investment, and lost a few key players. The season they finished in the playoffs their team was supplemented with some key loan signings that they ultimately couldn’t hang on to - Giles, Archer and Ramsey. 

[slymunn]

3 minutes ago, roblcfc84 said:

In fairness to Carrick he didn’t get huge investment, and lost a few key players. The season they finished in the playoffs their team was supplemented with some key loan signings that they ultimately couldn’t hang on to - Giles, Archer and Ramsey. 

I get that and do understand, but the bit in bold is what people could use to defend Ruud's record. Mads, Wilf, Fatawu and Ricardo all injured for a large part of his time here along with not really spending in January.

[roblcfc84]

6 minutes ago, slymunn said:

I get that and do understand, but the bit in bold is what people could use to defend Ruud's record. Mads, Wilf, Fatawu and Ricardo all injured for a large part of his time here along with not really spending in January.

Totally fair, and I’m sure Ruud was promised investment in January. Really hard to know how much those players would have helped him. 

[slymunn]

4 minutes ago, roblcfc84 said:

Totally fair, and I’m sure Ruud was promised investment in January. Really hard to know how much those players would have helped him. 

Agreed as I don't think the team was ever fully set up to survive. But he didn't get a lot of help from the day he came in. 

[Jazzy_Jeff]

Regardless of what happened with injuries and lack of investment in January, RVN hasn’t shown anything to suggest he is tactically flexible.

 

We stuck with the same system and largely the same players for months without looking like scoring let alone winning.

 

The fact he couldn’t see that the players didn’t suit the system or style of play is very worrying. 

[VLC86]

5 hours ago, LcFc_Smiv said:

It is in line with what I heard, that essentially the talks took place a few weeks before the end of the season. News broke around points deduction, just after journalists start saying it's Martin. We go very quiet, in the end Martin gets fed up of waiting and progresses with Rangers. This supposedly being the second time we have held talks then delayed, the first being pre Enzo, where Martin took the Southampton job because they came in and offered him guarantees while we were stalling.

 

The individual who told me this I know has some insight into Martins side, although up until a week before he went Rangers he said he was pretty much done here and a new DoF was part of the agreement. Whatever the case everything points to us being a mess which we all largely knew.

I didn’t hear it in this much detail but when I got told it was “100% Martin” it was from

someone with very strong links to

us and Martin so wouldn’t be at all shocked if this is true.

[Langston]

Wasn't it reported that BBM and some of the squad had a bit of a set-to over a training session recently?? 

[DJ Barry Hammond]

1 hour ago, roblcfc84 said:

Totally fair, and I’m sure Ruud was promised investment in January. Really hard to know how much those players would have helped him. 

It’s quite clear that Ruud needed to have gained a better points total/league position by the start of January in order to get that investment.

 

That would have allowed the board to potentially take a punt on spending to survive (similar to what they did with Rodgers in that January window).

 

That didn’t happen - meaning the board couldn’t reasonably sanction a January spending spree.

 

I dare say, if Rudd had at least picked up positives results against Wolves or Palace in that mid January run we might have backed him with at least one in - as it was, we didn’t and it became increasingly clear we were toast.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

19 hours ago, ithuriel said:

Not a solution at all, just a mooted idea that if we cant pay him off, have him doing something else but you continue to get irate over it, I'll just sit back and laugh at you 

That sounds like a breach of contract.

 

Employment rules still exist in the football world.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

17 hours ago, King Claudio said:

I disagree- we don't save money. 

 

We have to pay RVN off and probably give this guy a pay rise. 

 

Why wouldn't we just keep RVN on if we are paying him anyway? I don't believe this guy is going to contribute anything different that he wasn't already contributing. 

 

It's a team game and BBM has to take just as much responsibility for the poor results- Im not sure I understand why people are looking to ignore his part. 

An assistant manager has to row in behind the manager.

 

The manager leads everything - the tactical direction, the team selection, the makeup of training, etc, etc, etc.

 

The assistant role is much more one of a sounding board - you don’t get to implement your ideas, you help facilitate the managers ideas.

 

If there’s aspects of the managers plans you don’t agree with… yes you could challenge one or two, but ultimately you have to maintain that working relationship - so you can’t be certain that BBM would be a bad manager because Ruud has performed badly and BBM was part of his coaching team.

[whoareyaaa]

2 hours ago, Happy Fox said:

Carrick has to get the job for me we cannot afford to go with Brian Barry-Murphy it would be catastrophic we wouldn’t be anywhere near the playoffs or higher.

That would be the most boring appointment ever, Carrick has shown nothing to suggest he could take us up.

 

Rather stick with Ruud or go for Dyche who has a proven track record.

[whoareyaaa]

10 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

It’s quite clear that Ruud needed to have gained a better points total/league position by the start of January in order to get that investment.

 

That would have allowed the board to potentially take a punt on spending to survive (similar to what they did with Rodgers in that January window).

 

That didn’t happen - meaning the board couldn’t reasonably sanction a January spending spree.

 

I dare say, if Rudd had at least picked up positives results against Wolves or Palace in that mid January run we might have backed him with at least one in - as it was, we didn’t and it became increasingly clear we were toast.

More likely the club doesn't have any money to spend which is why we can not make a move on the manger right now and have failed PSR ? it has absolutely nothing to do with the results after only being in the job for a few weeks.

[HankMarvin]

2 hours ago, roblcfc84 said:

In fairness to Carrick he didn’t get huge investment, and lost a few key players. The season they finished in the playoffs their team was supplemented with some key loan signings that they ultimately couldn’t hang on to - Giles, Archer and Ramsey. 

They had the 5th highest payroll in the league and had nacho on loan, if the squad was pony some of that has to be down to the manager