Next Manager

[murphy]

5 hours ago, kingfox said:

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When I advocated for Cleverley the other week, @Lambert09 made a great point to me. View things in a way in terms of our rivals, if Ipswich or Southampton for example appointed Wellens or Cleverley would you be fearful? Probably not. 
 

And just look at Southampton for example, they’ve hired an exciting young up-and-coming coach in Will Still who did a solid job in a European top five league. 
 

That’s why you have to put managers in certain brackets. The likes of Still and Rohl have done enough to warrant the jump to a job like Leicester City, Southampton, Ipswich. While the likes of Wellens, Cleverley, Selles and Muslic just haven’t quite earned their right yet. 

It is a good point, but to counter that, none of the other names linked to the club are really going to get our rivals trembling.

[whoareyaaa]

5 minutes ago, murphy said:

It is a good point, but to counter that, none of the other names linked to the club are really going to get our rivals trembling.

Coaching Career at PSV:

• 2022-2023: Van Nistelrooy was appointed as PSV's head coach following Roger Schmidt's departure.
• 2022/23 season: He led PSV to victory in the KNVB Cup, defeating Ajax in the final.
• 2022/23 season: PSV also won the Johan Cruyff Shield.
• May 2023: Van Nistelrooy resigned from his position, citing a lack of support within the club, before the final league match. 

Finished 2nd.

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Coaching Career at PSV:

• 2022-2023: Van Nistelrooy was appointed as PSV's head coach following Roger Schmidt's departure.
• 2022/23 season: He led PSV to victory in the KNVB Cup, defeating Ajax in the final.
• 2022/23 season: PSV also won the Johan Cruyff Shield.
• May 2023: Van Nistelrooy resigned from his position, citing a lack of support within the club, before the final league match. 

Finished 2nd.

Sounds good, I wonder if he's done anything else more recently than that

[murphy]

17 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Coaching Career at PSV:

• 2022-2023: Van Nistelrooy was appointed as PSV's head coach following Roger Schmidt's departure.
• 2022/23 season: He led PSV to victory in the KNVB Cup, defeating Ajax in the final.
• 2022/23 season: PSV also won the Johan Cruyff Shield.
• May 2023: Van Nistelrooy resigned from his position, citing a lack of support within the club, before the final league match. 

Finished 2nd.

I tdon't really understand what you're trying to say.  Are you saying that RVN is the one to cause our rivals sleepless nights?  If so, I beg to differ. especially when you factor in that he just led us to our worst ever top flight season.  In fact our worst season in history along with setting a new record for non-scoring consecutive defeats.

 

 

[LCFCCKEANO]

29 minutes ago, murphy said:

It is a good point, but to counter that, none of the other names linked to the club are really going to get our rivals trembling.

Danny Rohl would for me, work he’s done with literally less than nothing for Wednesday has been unbelievable, having that side around playoffs is miraculous and I will bet he is a success in his next move, reminds me of Pearson in the way he can bring a group together

[kingfox]

25 minutes ago, murphy said:

It is a good point, but to counter that, none of the other names linked to the club are really going to get our rivals trembling.

But if we had appointed Martin or appoint Dyche, whether we like it or not, you have two managers who have achieved promotion and have far more concrete pedigree than Wellens, Cleverley etc…

 

Even if we as fans don’t want them, you have to admit, they have more pedigree and on paper, have a better chance of getting us promoted. 
 

We have to fish in the right pond, and at this moment in time, the likes of Wellens and Selles haven’t quite done enough to join that pond. Wellens himself pretty much said he might have to take another stepping stone, before being considered for a job like Leicester City.

[whoareyaaa]

6 minutes ago, murphy said:

I tdon't really understand what you're trying to say.  Are you saying that RVN is the one to cause our rivals sleepless nights?  If so, I beg to differ. especially when you factor in that he just led us to our worst ever top flight season.  In fact our worst season in history along with setting a new record for non-scoring consecutive defeats.

 

 

any manager we hired would have had the same fate, the damage was done in the summer when we appointed Steve Cooper.

Edited 15 June 2025 by whoareyaaa

[whoareyaaa]

4 minutes ago, LCFCCKEANO said:

Danny Rohl would for me, work he’s done with literally less than nothing for Wednesday has been unbelievable, having that side around playoffs is miraculous and I will bet he is a success in his next move, reminds me of Pearson in the way he can bring a group together

While he may have done a good job he was only 9 points from relegation.

[Old Fox]

18 minutes ago, LCFCCKEANO said:

Danny Rohl would for me, work he’s done with literally less than nothing for Wednesday has been unbelievable, having that side around playoffs is miraculous and I will bet he is a success in his next move, reminds me of Pearson in the way he can bring a group together

How does DR remind you of Pearson?

 

I am not one of Nigel’s love child’s like many on here but I really don’t get all attraction to DR - what has actually achieved ……personally I would rather get someone who knows how to get out this division the right way via promotion. or someone who has an affinity to the club and certainly not someone who may see us as a stepping stone to bigger things ….

Edited 15 June 2025 by Old Fox

[LCFCJohn]

28 minutes ago, Old Fox said:

How does DR remind you of Pearson?

 

I am not one of Nigel’s love child’s like many on here but I really don’t get all attraction to DR - what has actually achieved ……personally I would rather get someone who knows how to get out this division the right way via promotion. or someone who has an affinity to the club and certainly not someone who may see us as a stepping stone to bigger things ….

I’m not stick on Rohl by any means.

 

But the appeal would be that he has worked under a similar owner at Wednesday so is used to a dysfunctional club with little direction and management and showed he could get his team performing well above the sum of its parts. They had no right to survive the season he took over from where they were. They went on a great run and he then backed that up with a secure midtable

finish after pushing for the playoffs for a while.

 

Success is relative and isn’t as black and white as promotion or no promotion.

[SecretPro]

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[Claudio Fannieri]

53 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

any manager we hired would have had the same fate, the damage was done in the summer when we appointed Steve Cooper.

And appointing Dyche would be going down a similar path as Cooper, a manager who has already reached their peak and are on a downward trajectory. 

[winteriscoming]

1 hour ago, whoareyaaa said:

Coaching Career at PSV:

• 2022-2023: Van Nistelrooy was appointed as PSV's head coach following Roger Schmidt's departure.
• 2022/23 season: He led PSV to victory in the KNVB Cup, defeating Ajax in the final.
• 2022/23 season: PSV also won the Johan Cruyff Shield.
• May 2023: Van Nistelrooy resigned from his position, citing a lack of support within the club, before the final league match. 

Finished 2nd.

Add to this 

 

17 defeats out of 19. 
9 consecutive home games without scoring. 

 

I’m sure our rivals are shitting themselves for next season if Ruud remains in charge. 
 

 

[FoxinNotts]

13 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

Add to this 

 

17 defeats out of 19. 
9 consecutive home games without scoring. 

 

I’m sure our rivals are shitting themselves for next season if Ruud remains in charge. 
 

 

Exactly. He is bobbins. Next…

[whoareyaaa]

18 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

Add to this 

 

17 defeats out of 19. 
9 consecutive home games without scoring. 

 

I’m sure our rivals are shitting themselves for next season if Ruud remains in charge. 
 

 

Fortunately the standard is much worse 

[FoxinNotts]

14 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Fortunately the standard is much worse 

So we stick with a shite manager for a shite league. Sounds like a shite plan to me

[whoareyaaa]

Just now, FoxinNotts said:

So we stick with a shite manager for a shite league. Sounds like a shite plan to me

I don't think he will be here but still.

[Chelmofox]

25 minutes ago, FoxinNotts said:

So we stick with a shite manager for a shite league. Sounds like a shite plan to me

Do you think Ipswich should stick with McKenna?

[Guppys Love Child]

2 hours ago, whoareyaaa said:

any manager we hired would have had the same fate, the damage was done in the summer when we appointed Steve Cooper.

Mmmmm.  I'm not sure I agree with you there my friend.

 

 I think even a half decent, experienced manager, who unlike RvN actually understood  team selections, tactics and in game management would have had a better points tally.

 

  I'm not implying we would have stayed up by the way, just that we would have stood a better chance of a bigger points tally. 

 

I've always maintained that the team was seriously underperforming with both Cooper and RvN in charge and were nowhere near getting the true potential out of the available squad. 

 

I agree that Coopers appointment did cause an horrendous amount of damage though.  

 

OK let's use a name being branded about at the moment and say we appointed Dyche  once Cooper was sacked, would we have lost as many,  looked as disjointed and devoid of an actual identity, with him in charge as we did with RvD in the dug out ? 

 

IMO No..   

 

bearing in mind we were 13 points from safety,  so 5 games ( let's say we realistically took them from the teams around us)  out of the 17 we lost under RvN,  maybe not such a lost cause as I thought. You also have to remember we weren't in the bottom 3 when Cooper was given his marching orders.

 

I must point out I'm not a Dyche for LCFC Manager advocate, but hypothetically he was available at the time of RvN's appointment hence me using his name as an example.  

 

Edited 15 June 2025 by Guppys Love Child

[FoxinNotts]

10 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

Do you think Ipswich should stick with McKenna?

Yes they should. Completely different situation to us. They’ve just had two promotions and a relegation with McKenna. We’ve lost a million games in a row without scoring with Ruud

[winteriscoming]

9 minutes ago, Guppys Love Child said:

Mmmmm.  I'm not sure I agree with you there my friend.

 

 I think even a half decent, experienced manager, who unlike RvN actually understood  team selections, tactics and in game management would have had a better points tally.

 

  I'm not implying we would have stayed up by the way, just that we would have stood a better chance of a bigger points tally. 

 

I've always maintained that the team was seriously underperforming with both Cooper and RvN in charge and were nowhere near getting the true potential out of the available squad. 

 

I agree that Coopers appointment did cause an horrendous amount of damage though.  

 

OK let's use a name being branded about at the moment and say we appointed Dyche  once Cooper was sacked, would we have lost as many,  looked as disjointed and devoid of an actual identity, with him in charge as we did with RvD in the dug out ? 

 

IMO No..   

 

bearing in mind we were 13 points from safety,  so 5 games ( let's say we realistically took them from the teams around us)  out of the 17 we lost under RvN,  maybe not such a lost cause as I thought. You also have to remember we weren't in the bottom 3 when Cooper was given his marching orders.

 

I must point out I'm not a Dyche for LCFC Manager advocate, but hypothetically he was available at the time of RvN's appointment hence me using his name as an example.  

 

You only have to look at wolves to see what happens when you get an experienced manager in. 
There were plenty readily available when Cooper went - Schmidt, Fischer, Conceicao, Kovac and Rudi Garcia. 
We don’t lose 17 out of 19 games and not score in 9 consecutive games with one of those in charge. 
We might have still gone down but we’d of least put up more of a fight and imo took it to the last 3 or 4 matches of the season. 

[Guppys Love Child]

6 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

You only have to look at wolves to see what happens when you get an experienced manager in. 
There were plenty readily available when Cooper went - Schmidt, Fischer, Conceicao, Kovac and Rudi Garcia. 
We don’t lose 17 out of 19 games and not score in 9 consecutive games with one of those in charge. 
We might have still gone down but we’d of least put up more of a fight and imo took it to the last 3 or 4 matches of the season. 

Agreed.

 

Also we get off to a half decent start post Cooper, with better a performances or two, and we gain a bit of momentum and you never know..

 

Yes it's  "If's, But's and Maybe's" but we are a better team than we showed last season, and due to the continued incompetence of our board we never gave ourselves a chance.

 

Edited 15 June 2025 by Guppys Love Child

[Chelmofox]

21 minutes ago, FoxinNotts said:

Yes they should. Completely different situation to us. They’ve just had two promotions and a relegation with McKenna. We’ve lost a million games in a row without scoring with Ruud

This doesn't make sense to me. Ruud hasn't managed us in the lower leagues , and has a relatively promising record in a short period in holland. He took over us when we were in the shite in a situation that was always going to have poor points and poor goal difference. He did this with no transfer funds (apparent from a bargain basement defender) and without being able to employ his own staff. McKenna spent big, and had his well oiled staff with him, and was terrible this calendar year. Proper terrible. Yet, somehow, he is just fine. 

 

For the record, i'd rather we get Rohl (although Rosenior was the one i really wanted). But i can see us getting Rohl anymore, and i think we are in danger of going down a really crap path if we aren't careful. Part of me thinks would rather stick with what we have and give him the right tools.

[ClaphamFox]

7 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

This doesn't make sense to me. Ruud hasn't managed us in the lower leagues , and has a relatively promising record in a short period in holland. He took over us when we were in the shite in a situation that was always going to have poor points and poor goal difference. He did this with no transfer funds (apparent from a bargain basement defender) and without being able to employ his own staff. McKenna spent big, and had his well oiled staff with him, and was terrible this calendar year. Proper terrible. Yet, somehow, he is just fine. 

 

For the record, i'd rather we get Rohl (although Rosenior was the one i really wanted). But i can see us getting Rohl anymore, and i think we are in danger of going down a really crap path if we aren't careful. Part of me thinks would rather stick with what we have and give him the right tools.

Haven’t we got enough of those already at the club? 

[whoareyaaa]

57 minutes ago, Guppys Love Child said:

Mmmmm.  I'm not sure I agree with you there my friend.

 

 I think even a half decent, experienced manager, who unlike RvN actually understood  team selections, tactics and in game management would have had a better points tally.

 

  I'm not implying we would have stayed up by the way, just that we would have stood a better chance of a bigger points tally. 

 

I've always maintained that the team was seriously underperforming with both Cooper and RvN in charge and were nowhere near getting the true potential out of the available squad. 

 

I agree that Coopers appointment did cause an horrendous amount of damage though.  

 

OK let's use a name being branded about at the moment and say we appointed Dyche  once Cooper was sacked, would we have lost as many,  looked as disjointed and devoid of an actual identity, with him in charge as we did with RvD in the dug out ? 

 

IMO No..   

 

bearing in mind we were 13 points from safety,  so 5 games ( let's say we realistically took them from the teams around us)  out of the 17 we lost under RvN,  maybe not such a lost cause as I thought. You also have to remember we weren't in the bottom 3 when Cooper was given his marching orders.

 

I must point out I'm not a Dyche for LCFC Manager advocate, but hypothetically he was available at the time of RvN's appointment hence me using his name as an example.  

 

Think Dyche was still at Everton so who should we have got that would have kept us up ?