A good summary from the BBC

[alanf0x]

The banner flown over the King Power Stadium made its point. 

'King Power Clueless Sack The Board,' it read, just before Leicester City stepped into the last chance saloon for their game against Liverpool.

 

A second relegation in three seasons, and instant return to the Championship, was confirmed soon afterwards as Trent Alexander-Arnold's second-half winner put the visitors within three points of the Premier League title.

 

It has been a calamitous season after last year's Championship triumph, with two managers, four wins and no home league goals for almost five months. 

 

The drop had been coming - Leicester have won just once since December - and there was an air of resignation around the ground, even before Alexander-Arnold's strike. 

 

There are unhappy and disconnected fans, players accused of giving up, and a manager in Ruud van Nistelrooy who, despite his pedigree as a player, has seen the Foxes get worse on his watch. 

 

There were some boos at full-time, but the majority of home fans had already left. Those who stayed offered a smattering of applause, yet it was an empty gesture.

 

It reflected a club in need of a rebuild but how, and with who, are the biggest questions as Leicester - champions of England nine years ago - face one of their biggest crossroads.

 

When the Foxes sacked Steve Cooper in October they were 16th, although the cracks were there.

The teething problems in moving away from Enzo Maresca's style - less expansive and working the ball quicker - were just part of the issue. 

 

The departed Maresca, who led them to the Championship title last season before joining Chelsea, was well-liked by the squad and Cooper struggled to connect with players, even if some of the senior members of the squad - including Jamie Vardy - were onside. 

 

There was growing concern from the club that any disconnect would impact their survival prospects, and one of the reasons why they dismissed Cooper. 

 

So, when Van Nistelrooy arrived, his honesty was welcomed, his methods and messages refreshing.

 

Former Manchester City Elite Development Squad coach Brian Barry-Murphy, who joined as assistant coach, also made an impressive first impression, with the players enjoying the variety and clarity he brought to training.

 

Yet, since the opening two games - a 3-1 win over West Ham and 2-2 comeback draw with Brighton in December - Leicester have won just four points.

 

They have equalled their club-record run of defeats (eight) and, despite performances which deserved more and the desire for the Dutchman to succeed, results have fallen off a cliff.

 

The Foxes were more competitive under Cooper - who sacrificed his beliefs to try to find a way to survive - and they drew a blank just once in his 12 Premier League games. 

 

That is in stark contrast to the lack of goals under Van Nistelrooy - a revered striker for Manchester United, Real Madrid and the Netherlands - and they have scored just six times in the league since the draw with Brighton on 8 December.

 

Another goalless outing against Liverpool extended the home goal drought to nine league games and 810 minutes - the worst in top-flight history.

 

Former England striker Alan Shearer told BBC Match of the Day: "They have some big decisions to make. It has been awful for them. They have been miles off it."

 

Some players have recently raised concerns over the standard and intensity of training with the drop-off being connected to Leicester's impending relegation, which was becoming increasingly inevitable.

 

The fall-out with midfielder Harry Winks - Van Nistelrooy has dropped him for the last four games for refusing to agree to stay at the training ground one night a week - emphasises the growing tensions. 

When asked about whether he had been able to improve the standards and culture in his five months at the club, Van Nistelrooy was clear.

"When you don't combine them with results it's always hard. There's no negotiation on these standards and I hold everyone accountable on those," the Dutchman said this month. 

 

"I know how I worked from a village of 5,000 people in the middle of nowhere to Manchester United and Real Madrid. I know what is necessary to stay at the highest level and I know there are so many people working at this football club who have the quality to do so. But not enough yet. 

 

"In difficult moments you get to know people and characters very well. I speak about standards and what is needed to perform at the highest level and that's a culture which needs to be created in this club."

 

Defender Conor Coady has been one trying to raise spirits at the club's Seagrave training base, but it has been an almost impossible task with results - and he admitted Leicester have not been good enough. 

 

"We've took a bit of stick and we'll continue to take stick because it's deserved," said the former England centre-back. "From minute one this season, we haven't been at a level to fully compete in the Premier League and you have to be because it'll chew you up and spit you out."

 

As the plane's banner suggested, director of football Jon Rudkin and the board have been the target for fans this season.

 

They see Rudkin as a root cause of their decline in recent seasons. He was, of course, in the same position when the Foxes stunned the world to win the Premier League in 2016, but supporters have made up their minds. 

 

It does not help that the hierarchy rarely speak publicly, allowing supporters to understand and digest the situation.

 

Chief executive Susan Whelan twice met with the Foxes Trust and the club's Fan Advisory Board in February for candid and constructive meetings but the wider fanbase remain disconnected.

Does chairman Aiyawatt Srivaddhanaprabha decide to make a change at the top, does head of recruitment Martyn Glover's position come under more scrutiny following a number of poor transfer windows, regardless of financial constraints?

 

Van Nistelrooy's position remains a doubt and it is hard to see a long-term future in the wake of damning statistics. 

 

Defeat against Liverpool leaves him with the unenviable record of having lost 17 of his 22 games, winning just three. He has lost 16 of his last 18 matches in charge, and what manager with that record survives?

 

Van Nistelrooy, who confirmed there was no date set for talks on his future, said on Sunday: "I'm waiting on the clarity of the club and how they want to continue.

 

"It is the goal to lead the club. I have to wait on how the club sees things and take it from there.

 

"The club has to use this time, otherwise you will waste it. In a situation like this you have to sit very carefully with the club to discuss the matters."

 

Yet sacking a second manager of the season has financial consequences and with money tight, it will be a consideration. Can Leicester financially afford to sack Van Nistelrooy but, going forward, can they afford not to?

 

There is also an acceptance the squad needs a reset but only three players are out of contract - goalkeepers Daniel Iversen and Danny Ward, and 38-year-old captain Jamie Vardy. 

 

What happens with Vardy - influential at the club as their last remaining title winner and the scorer of 198 goals - remains open, but it's the biggest decision the club has to make in terms of the squad given his reputation and achievements.

 

It means Leicester must shift big earners to make wholesale changes to a squad which has, in the main, brought them down twice.

 

Wilfred Ndidi signed a new three-year contract last summer but his appetite for another Championship campaign is likely to have waned and the same will go for defenders Ricardo Pereira and Wout Faes. Although, as part of Leicester's decline, they must find takers.

 

Goalkeeper Mads Hermansen has been a rare bright spot and will have his admirers, as will Bilal El Khannouss, despite an underwhelming first season in England, while Winks' situation could depend on Van Nistelrooy's exit. 

 

Like every club, Profit and Sustainability Rules will be a concern so sales are inevitable and the threat of possibly further action from the EFL remains.

Leicester escaped a points deduction for a PSR breach in the three years to 30 June 2023, successfully arguing the Premier League had no power to punish them as they were already in the EFL at the time of the charge, and the club remains in talks with the Premier League and EFL.

 

Yet, they have to fall under some jurisdiction and cannot be left to float. 

 

For now, though, Leicester know they will be a Championship club next season and deep-rooted problems - which pre-date and go beyond Van Nistelrooy - need to be dealt with.

 

They made an immediate return last time they went down in 2023. This time their short-term future is far less certain.

[Claudio Fannieri]

Decent piece on us and at least the wider media are finally starting to realise the situation and the fact that all is far from

well at the club. 
 

Masslve summer ahead, you have to hope that early relegation gives the owner and board the opportunity to start planning for next season immediately in terms of players, manager and coaching staff and to start working towards being ready to go from day one of pre season, however knowing our lot we will waste the next 5 games pissing and farting about and losing any opportunity for any positivity and building some momentum in readiness for the new season. 

[Pliskin]

I think the messages have finally sunk in. The plane has done the job, I think journalists who were there would have seen that, and then would have seen how apathetic the fan base are and the scenes of the chuckle brothers laughing….. they’ve finally got the message, clubs roadkill. 

[The Year Of The Fox]

This was the whole point of the plane banner. 
 

Not so Top could see it and act (because it’s deluded to think he would)

 

But to ‘raise awareness’ and to start conversations and considerations in the wider media.

 

I want the general football public to know that we’re no longer ‘the best run club in the country’ who’ve just got a bit unlucky. 
 

It relies on articles like this and Henry Winter on his podcast to fill in the gaps a plane banner can’t.

 

Reading much of the social media about this since KO yesterday is just depressing. You’ve fans of other clubs who think it’s deluded, and that’s not helped by the majority of LCFC fans on Facebook saying ‘not in my name’ 

 

I’ve come to the realisation that you can’t argue with stupid, and stupid (and brainwashed) is what they are.

[Parker Pen]

About time the mainstream media woke up to see this  massive car crash of a failure. To bounce back first time last season and to publicly rip up your get out of jail free card this time around is nothing short of disgraceful. Getting it wrong on every level since Enzo and KDH were pinched by Chelsea. Cooper and the pre season matches especially should have rang alarm bells before replacing a really poor appointment with a half time raffle winner!

Top is in the last chance saloon to get things right before we become the next Blackburn Rovers, and I bet their fans never expected their stagnation since winning the league!

[nnfox]

Yeah, decent piece (and Carragher's comments post match yesterday).

 

There are lots of big problems that need sorting out at the club.

 

1. Jon Rudkin - time to move on.  Please let's close that particular chapter and get someone else in with some fresh ideas that can change the trajectory of the club.

2. Top - it's time now to state his intention.  Either sell up or stay.  For me, he'd be fine as a hands off owner which would mean he'd have to take a step back.  One of the problems I believe is that Rudkin has either not been listened to, or has been overruled because he isn't trusted, either way it makes the DoF position an impossible one.  Top either has to completely do away with the DoF position and do it himself (please, no) or completely take a step back and let the DoF get on with their job and hold them accountable (not sure he's capable of relinquishing that much control) or sell up and move on.

3. Recruitment - has been shockingly bad for too long.  Put all talk of long contracts and big wages to one side - the technical ability and ambition levels of players brought in has generally been abysmal.  Not every transfer will work out and most clubs probably get a 50/50 return, but we've had too many misses and too few hits over the last 4 years.  Recruitment needs a complete overhaul.

4. Current squad - there are probably half a dozen players or so that really bring the group down.  Either we sell them in the summer or terminate their contract.  They've just got to go.

 

I'd controversially go on to say that there's no point in even looking at the manager's position right now.  Those four points need addressing for regime change to happen.  Point 5 would be to look at the manager but if the other four points aren't addressed, any new manager would come in under the old regime and I fear it will be a case of rinse and repeat.  All of these points are more important than the manager.  Look at it another way, if we sack RVN now, we will go on to find a new manager and try to attract them into the utter shower that the club currently is.  You won't get the quality manager that everyone wants.

 

If points 1 and 2 are addressed by the end of the season, then it will be seen that some foundations are being laid for a major rebuild. 

[Pliskin]

1 minute ago, nnfox said:

Yeah, decent piece (and Carragher's comments post match yesterday).

 

There are lots of big problems that need sorting out at the club.

 

1. Jon Rudkin - time to move on.  Please let's close that particular chapter and get someone else in with some fresh ideas that can change the trajectory of the club.

2. Top - it's time now to state his intention.  Either sell up or stay.  For me, he'd be fine as a hands off owner which would mean he'd have to take a step back.  One of the problems I believe is that Rudkin has either not been listened to, or has been overruled because he isn't trusted, either way it makes the DoF position an impossible one.  Top either has to completely do away with the DoF position and do it himself (please, no) or completely take a step back and let the DoF get on with their job and hold them accountable (not sure he's capable of relinquishing that much control) or sell up and move on.

3. Recruitment - has been shockingly bad for too long.  Put all talk of long contracts and big wages to one side - the technical ability and ambition levels of players brought in has generally been abysmal.  Not every transfer will work out and most clubs probably get a 50/50 return, but we've had too many misses and too few hits over the last 4 years.  Recruitment needs a complete overhaul.

4. Current squad - there are probably half a dozen players or so that really bring the group down.  Either we sell them in the summer or terminate their contract.  They've just got to go.

 

I'd controversially go on to say that there's no point in even looking at the manager's position right now.  Those four points need addressing for regime change to happen.  Point 5 would be to look at the manager but if the other four points aren't addressed, any new manager would come in under the old regime and I fear it will be a case of rinse and repeat.  All of these points are more important than the manager.  Look at it another way, if we sack RVN now, we will go on to find a new manager and try to attract them into the utter shower that the club currently is.  You won't get the quality manager that everyone wants.

 

If points 1 and 2 are addressed by the end of the season, then it will be seen that some foundations are being laid for a major rebuild. 

Points 1 and 2 are the salient ones. This is the most important period in our clubs history. It will be difference of coming back stronger than before, or sliding into the abyss. 

[accessory]

7 minutes ago, Parker Pen said:

About time the mainstream media woke up to see this  massive car crash of a failure. To bounce back first time last season and to publicly rip up your get out of jail free card this time around is nothing short of disgraceful. Getting it wrong on every level since Enzo and KDH were pinched by Chelsea. Cooper and the pre season matches especially should have rang alarm bells before replacing a really poor appointment with a half time raffle winner!

Top is in the last chance saloon to get things right before we become the next Blackburn Rovers, and I bet their fans never expected their stagnation since winning the league!

The Blackburn situation is completely different.

 

Their current ownership is not the one they had when they won the league in 1995.  Their sugar daddy died and the club was sold on.

 

Many of their fans have never taken to the club's Asian owners. Whether this is solely due to their record in charge (which is at best indifferent), or if other factors are involved, is not clear.

[JimmyC74]

17 minutes ago, nnfox said:

Yeah, decent piece (and Carragher's comments post match yesterday).

 

There are lots of big problems that need sorting out at the club.

 

1. Jon Rudkin - time to move on.  Please let's close that particular chapter and get someone else in with some fresh ideas that can change the trajectory of the club.

2. Top - it's time now to state his intention.  Either sell up or stay.  For me, he'd be fine as a hands off owner which would mean he'd have to take a step back.  One of the problems I believe is that Rudkin has either not been listened to, or has been overruled because he isn't trusted, either way it makes the DoF position an impossible one.  Top either has to completely do away with the DoF position and do it himself (please, no) or completely take a step back and let the DoF get on with their job and hold them accountable (not sure he's capable of relinquishing that much control) or sell up and move on.

3. Recruitment - has been shockingly bad for too long.  Put all talk of long contracts and big wages to one side - the technical ability and ambition levels of players brought in has generally been abysmal.  Not every transfer will work out and most clubs probably get a 50/50 return, but we've had too many misses and too few hits over the last 4 years.  Recruitment needs a complete overhaul.

4. Current squad - there are probably half a dozen players or so that really bring the group down.  Either we sell them in the summer or terminate their contract.  They've just got to go.

 

I'd controversially go on to say that there's no point in even looking at the manager's position right now.  Those four points need addressing for regime change to happen.  Point 5 would be to look at the manager but if the other four points aren't addressed, any new manager would come in under the old regime and I fear it will be a case of rinse and repeat.  All of these points are more important than the manager.  Look at it another way, if we sack RVN now, we will go on to find a new manager and try to attract them into the utter shower that the club currently is.  You won't get the quality manager that everyone wants.

 

If points 1 and 2 are addressed by the end of the season, then it will be seen that some foundations are being laid for a major rebuild. 

I just doubt Top has given serious consideration to replacing Rudders and, even if the necessity to change has finally sunk in, he has what it takes to swiftly act and bring in a new DofF in a few weeks.

 

I fear Rudders will be involved in identifying and selecting RVN’s replacement.  
 

They can drag their heels with bringing in a new gaffer tho given the squad overhaul / rebuild needed. 
 

 

[RedSoxUK]

This is an excellent "**** you" to the happy clapping bunch.

[UniFox21]

Henry Winter seems to fully get it

 

 

[worth_the_wait]

50 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

I’ve come to the realisation that you can’t argue with stupid, and stupid (and brainwashed) is what they are.

I think someone once said (words to the effect of):  "you should never argue with stupid people.  They'll bring you down to their level, and then beat you with experience!"

[LCFCJohn]

6 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Henry Winter seems to fully get it

 

 

A really good post. Sadly the only bit he is wrong about is the angry fan base! 

[Richmondfox]

Top needs to act quickly otherwise we will just be in the same position. I’m guessing he won’t do anything until it’s in the Bangkok Post and he loses face to his hiso Thai nepo friends. 
 

The books need balancing, the squad needs rebuilding and the poor/toxic players need moving on.  No point having a DOF who will try and scrimp and save to balance the books and we end up in the same situation.  No point having recruitment that think Ayew and Reid are worth investing in, even as back up. 

 

Soumare, Ayew, Reid, VK, Faes, JJ, Coady and the rest of the clowns will cost us more on the pitch than a few million on the balance sheets.  

We need someone now to start working out how to build a team with brains and ability to support Bilal, Mav, Fatawu and for now Daka. 

 

[LCFCJohn]

53 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

This was the whole point of the plane banner. 
 

Not so Top could see it and act (because it’s deluded to think he would)

 

But to ‘raise awareness’ and to start conversations and considerations in the wider media.

 

I want the general football public to know that we’re no longer ‘the best run club in the country’ who’ve just got a bit unlucky. 
 

It relies on articles like this and Henry Winter on his podcast to fill in the gaps a plane banner can’t.

 

Reading much of the social media about this since KO yesterday is just depressing. You’ve fans of other clubs who think it’s deluded, and that’s not helped by the majority of LCFC fans on Facebook saying ‘not in my name’ 

 

I’ve come to the realisation that you can’t argue with stupid, and stupid (and brainwashed) is what they are.

All true.

 

Despite how incompetent Top, Rudkin, Cooper/RVN, the players and everyone else within the club have been, I think the fans are ultimately most culpable. If more than a minority had anything about them, the club would be under serious pressure.

 

Its shocking to see people actively attacking articles and posts pointing out the failures and rightfully criticising the club.

 

I can’t see past us being done as a serious and functional football club. It feels the damage is too far routed to recover from. Our only hope is that these people quickly lose interest once it’s not the household names turning up to the KP for them to watch and find other hobbies.

[Pliskin]

Just now, worth_the_wait said:

I think someone once said (words to the effect of):  "you should never argue with stupid people.  They'll bring you down to their level, and then beat you with experience!"

It’s very true. Few people I know are still stout KP supporters and will never waiver. And like you say, beat you with their past experiences to justify their opinions. 
 

Confirmation bias, it’s everywhere and it’s poison. 

[The Year Of The Fox]

43 minutes ago, nnfox said:

Yeah, decent piece (and Carragher's comments post match yesterday).

 

There are lots of big problems that need sorting out at the club.

 

1. Jon Rudkin - time to move on.  Please let's close that particular chapter and get someone else in with some fresh ideas that can change the trajectory of the club.

2. Top - it's time now to state his intention.  Either sell up or stay.  For me, he'd be fine as a hands off owner which would mean he'd have to take a step back.  One of the problems I believe is that Rudkin has either not been listened to, or has been overruled because he isn't trusted, either way it makes the DoF position an impossible one.  Top either has to completely do away with the DoF position and do it himself (please, no) or completely take a step back and let the DoF get on with their job and hold them accountable (not sure he's capable of relinquishing that much control) or sell up and move on.

3. Recruitment - has been shockingly bad for too long.  Put all talk of long contracts and big wages to one side - the technical ability and ambition levels of players brought in has generally been abysmal.  Not every transfer will work out and most clubs probably get a 50/50 return, but we've had too many misses and too few hits over the last 4 years.  Recruitment needs a complete overhaul.

4. Current squad - there are probably half a dozen players or so that really bring the group down.  Either we sell them in the summer or terminate their contract.  They've just got to go.

 

I'd controversially go on to say that there's no point in even looking at the manager's position right now.  Those four points need addressing for regime change to happen.  Point 5 would be to look at the manager but if the other four points aren't addressed, any new manager would come in under the old regime and I fear it will be a case of rinse and repeat.  All of these points are more important than the manager.  Look at it another way, if we sack RVN now, we will go on to find a new manager and try to attract them into the utter shower that the club currently is.  You won't get the quality manager that everyone wants.

 

If points 1 and 2 are addressed by the end of the season, then it will be seen that some foundations are being laid for a major rebuild. 

Just said the same to friends. 
 

RvN does need to go, but he’s not the main problem. He’s a product of the main problem 

[Haywood_6]

15 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Henry Winter seems to fully get it

 

 

He's quickly becoming my favourite journalist

[Free Falling Foxes]

50 minutes ago, nnfox said:

Yeah, decent piece (and Carragher's comments post match yesterday).

 

There are lots of big problems that need sorting out at the club.

 

1. Jon Rudkin - time to move on.  Please let's close that particular chapter and get someone else in with some fresh ideas that can change the trajectory of the club.

2. Top - it's time now to state his intention.  Either sell up or stay.  For me, he'd be fine as a hands off owner which would mean he'd have to take a step back.  One of the problems I believe is that Rudkin has either not been listened to, or has been overruled because he isn't trusted, either way it makes the DoF position an impossible one.  Top either has to completely do away with the DoF position and do it himself (please, no) or completely take a step back and let the DoF get on with their job and hold them accountable (not sure he's capable of relinquishing that much control) or sell up and move on.

3. Recruitment - has been shockingly bad for too long.  Put all talk of long contracts and big wages to one side - the technical ability and ambition levels of players brought in has generally been abysmal.  Not every transfer will work out and most clubs probably get a 50/50 return, but we've had too many misses and too few hits over the last 4 years.  Recruitment needs a complete overhaul.

4. Current squad - there are probably half a dozen players or so that really bring the group down.  Either we sell them in the summer or terminate their contract.  They've just got to go.

 

I'd controversially go on to say that there's no point in even looking at the manager's position right now.  Those four points need addressing for regime change to happen.  Point 5 would be to look at the manager but if the other four points aren't addressed, any new manager would come in under the old regime and I fear it will be a case of rinse and repeat.  All of these points are more important than the manager.  Look at it another way, if we sack RVN now, we will go on to find a new manager and try to attract them into the utter shower that the club currently is.  You won't get the quality manager that everyone wants.

 

If points 1 and 2 are addressed by the end of the season, then it will be seen that some foundations are being laid for a major rebuild. 

Agree. However, you get the distinct impression that bugger all will happen.

Why? What fits the narrative?

Football seem secondary for KP, almost like a 'cover' 

Laughing and joking amongst each other as our relegation is confirmed!

I wouldn't be surprised if it was all later exposed as some giant money laundering operation.

[nnfox]

2 minutes ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

Agree. However, you get the distinct impression that bugger all will happen.

Why? What fits the narrative?

Football seem secondary for KP, almost like a 'cover' 

Laughing and joking amongst each other as our relegation is confirmed!

I wouldn't be surprised if it was all later exposed as some giant money laundering operation.

You could be right!

 

I thought Ruud's comments were interesting yesterday around the January transfer window.  It was plainly obvious that the squad needed strengthening but all of a sudden, maybe PSR related, the rug was pulled and improving the squad was put into the 'too difficult' box.  From what Ruud said, it sounded like that was the moment the upper management of the club accepted relegation.  In January!!!

 

If that's the case, what's the plan? I can understand waiting until relegation is confirmed to put the plan into action, but this has been coming for months.  Relegation hasn't simply fallen out of the sky.  Planning for next season should have started in January, so let's see it now.

 

This week, I would expect to start seeing the plan beginning to be actioned, but I agree - my fear is that nothing will happen. 

[Philkeavo]

1 hour ago, nnfox said:

Yeah, decent piece (and Carragher's comments post match yesterday).

 

There are lots of big problems that need sorting out at the club.

 

1. Jon Rudkin - time to move on.  Please let's close that particular chapter and get someone else in with some fresh ideas that can change the trajectory of the club.

2. Top - it's time now to state his intention.  Either sell up or stay.  For me, he'd be fine as a hands off owner which would mean he'd have to take a step back.  One of the problems I believe is that Rudkin has either not been listened to, or has been overruled because he isn't trusted, either way it makes the DoF position an impossible one.  Top either has to completely do away with the DoF position and do it himself (please, no) or completely take a step back and let the DoF get on with their job and hold them accountable (not sure he's capable of relinquishing that much control) or sell up and move on.

3. Recruitment - has been shockingly bad for too long.  Put all talk of long contracts and big wages to one side - the technical ability and ambition levels of players brought in has generally been abysmal.  Not every transfer will work out and most clubs probably get a 50/50 return, but we've had too many misses and too few hits over the last 4 years.  Recruitment needs a complete overhaul.

4. Current squad - there are probably half a dozen players or so that really bring the group down.  Either we sell them in the summer or terminate their contract.  They've just got to go.

 

I'd controversially go on to say that there's no point in even looking at the manager's position right now.  Those four points need addressing for regime change to happen.  Point 5 would be to look at the manager but if the other four points aren't addressed, any new manager would come in under the old regime and I fear it will be a case of rinse and repeat.  All of these points are more important than the manager.  Look at it another way, if we sack RVN now, we will go on to find a new manager and try to attract them into the utter shower that the club currently is.  You won't get the quality manager that everyone wants.

 

If points 1 and 2 are addressed by the end of the season, then it will be seen that some foundations are being laid for a major rebuild. 

Fantastic post mate, echoes everything I’d want to say 👏👏

[ElusiveEd]

The hierarchys' "Let them eat cake" attitude towards us has finally been exposed and the media have done us proud in the last 24 hours in letting out what we have known and felt for months and it seems, reading and listening between the lines, we have allies within the team, manager and the media.

 

Many fans, despite those Happy Clappers, have revolted and have been seen, heard and agreed with. 

Edited 21 April by ElusiveEd

[FrankieADZ]

good thing about Henry Winter is he lives in the region,

so he sort of sees it more clearly than other people in the media

 

hes pretty spot on with his assessment on the club etc, no one can deny it

 

unless you are a happy clapper

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

In reality I don’t think there will be much of a rebuild - it will be more like the last time we went down. Only a few these players will be wanted by other clubs, and we’ve given such big contracts that the others will stay or a few will be loaned out. And I can’t see Top making the changes we need or selling up.

 

Grim. 

[Corky]

12 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

good thing about Henry Winter is he lives in the region,

so he sort of sees it more clearly than other people in the media

 

hes pretty spot on with his assessment on the club etc, no one can deny it

 

unless you are a happy clapper

He reads forums like this one as well.