Sean Dyche

[Bozman]

Oh god nooooooo..

[HankMarvin]

12 minutes ago, trooky said:

Our current manager is hardly a benchmark for judging his replacement. 

Conveniently miss all the other points to suit your strange stance of a bloke that’s been relegated once in 10 years and spent most of them overachieving with a club with a population of 80k

[Nolucklcfc]

Wouldn’t be against it to be honest. No manager these days is ever for the long term. If he got us up, I’d have more confidence in him keeping us up in comparison to Martin. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

49 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

They were 16th when he got sacked.

 

 

For a manager than can’t manage in the PL, in the last 9 seasons since Burnley were promoted in 16/17 he avoided relegation with Burnley in 5 of them.

In the 6th, he was sacked by Burnley in 18th with 8 games to go and still managed more points than our current manager.

 

 

Took over Everton in 19th at the start of Feb and saved them from relegation despite them only having 15 points and being on a winless run in 3 months.

 

Improved the following season with a 15th league position finish.

With a shoestring budget of £75m in 2 years.

 

Burnley in Europe and 2 seasons 7th (a place higher than O’Neil finished) and 10th not bad for a bloke that can’t “manage” in the Premier League 

 

The funniest thing I find about this argument I imagine the vast majority of these people who say Dyche isn’t a premier league manager, are probably the same types that rate Frank who’s done a very similar job at Brentford less successfully and with more money 

[pmcla26]

I don’t want Dyche, not because I don’t like him, but because our squad doesn’t suit his style of football at all. 
 

I know the squad will change in the summer but we don’t need to make it even harder for ourselves. 

[st albans fox]

Better option than Brussell and if he wants the gig then why not 

he’s got plenty of form for getting a club promoted and keeping a club up 

 

that’s what we need (yeah cooper …. I know but he was one offs ) 

[HighPeakFox]

7 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Better option than Brussell and if he wants the gig then why not 

he’s got plenty of form for getting a club promoted and keeping a club up 

 

that’s what we need (yeah cooper …. I know but he was one offs ) 

He has no form for keeping a club up... 

[indierich06]

11 minutes ago, Wink84 said:

In the long term Maresca has done more damage to the club. He implemented a style that's so specific that if the next manager isn't similar then the squad we have, would struggle. Him being poached hindered us so much too.

 

Now I'm not blaming Maresca, but the board. They were caught off guard by him going to Chelsea resulting in this horrendous season. We're in a much worse state than when Maresca arrived.

 

I'm not saying I want Dyche but I understand why the club and some fans would be keen on him. We need to reinvent ourselves. We need players to show some fight and passion again, not just pass pass pass football. I feel Dyche would make us hard to beat and instill some backbone that we need.

 

But I do worry about the progression of our youth. He doesn't have a good record with this. Much of that could be down to not have the right quality to bring into the first team. Where our youth are at a decent level to our current first team. 

 

Style of play won't be fun but it depends what's more important, having a higher chance of getting promoted and staying up. Or someone else that has less of a chance to go up AND stay up. That's the gamble and the trade off. We're in such a position financially that we might have to prioritise going straight back up and build again.

 

Genuinely don't get this, especially in a Championship context. 

 

If you look at his most recent Championship seasons he is impressively consistent:

 

in 15/16 Burnley finished as champions, lost only 5 games, won 26 and scored 72 goals

in 13/14 Burnley finished second behind us, lost only 5 games, won 26 and scored 72 goals

 

Direct, attacking 4-4-2 football, tight defensively, lots of goals scored. What's not to like?

 

Yeah, in the Premier League he's often way more pragmatic and defensive - in order to try and stay up (good record of that btw) - but that's not what we're asking of him and it's not the situation we're in?

[indierich06]

1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said:

He has no form for keeping a club up... 

Dyche?

 

Burnley 

2016–17: 16th place

2017–18: 7th place

2018–19: 15th place

2019–20: 10th place

2020–21: 17th place

2021–22: Sacked in April; Burnley relegated

 

Everton 
2022–23: 17th place, joined mid-season

2023–24: 15th place, despite points deduction

[Gazza M]

Would be happy with this appointment. I think a level of discipline we have missed since Enzo left needs to return and he will keep them in good order. 

 

 

[kingfox]

14 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

I don’t want Dyche, not because I don’t like him, but because our squad doesn’t suit his style of football at all. 
 

I know the squad will change in the summer but we don’t need to make it even harder for ourselves. 

With numerous outings likely, as I put on the previous page, this is the perfect opportunity to change style. 
 

Even though I don’t want him as manager, lets be honest, the only major changes Dyche would need is a couple of central midfielders and strikers. 
 

The defence looks pretty much tailor made for him. Souttar, Nelson and Okoli in particular are perfect for his style imo. 

[AjcW]

I honestly think we could **** this thread off with a simple sentance.

 

Sean Dyche is a good football manager, but not what we currently need given our increasingly impressive youth system and desire to become more self sufficient through the development and sale of highly rated young players, whether from Seagrave or brought in from abroad/other clubs.

Edited 12 May 2025 by AjcW

[st albans fox]

27 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

He has no form for keeping a club up... 

 

16 minutes ago, indierich06 said:

Dyche?

 

Burnley 

2016–17: 16th place

2017–18: 7th place

2018–19: 15th place

2019–20: 10th place

2020–21: 17th place

2021–22: Sacked in April; Burnley relegated

 

Everton 
2022–23: 17th place, joined mid-season

2023–24: 15th place, despite points deduction

Ta

tboight I was in a parallel universe for a moment 

[Stadt]

I'm actually a bit fed up of defending Dyche but people keep making straw man arguments about him. Burnley had the faculties of a League 1 club, e.g training ground, recruitment set up, academy set up - he got them up twice, kept them up and finished 7th with them. Eventually it went stale but were just miles off being a modern PL club still, of which maybe he can carry some of the blame but a manager can't go against the tide forever.

 

At Everton, their squad was absolutely dogshit and somehow expensively assembled, the ownership was shambolic at this point and he kept them up twice (at our expense). Moyes took over amongst the backdrop of a takeover and new ground, it's a fresh start and a completely different mood.

 

He's been at clubs with pretty different circumstances to where we are now, that might mean he is a bad fit but in the absence of good youth prospects at Burnley and Everton it doesn't automatically mean he'd bin Alves off and play Reid or whatever.

[Dahnsouff]

42 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

I don’t want Dyche, not because I don’t like him, but because our squad doesn’t suit his style of football at all. 
 

I know the squad will change in the summer but we don’t need to make it even harder for ourselves. 

Good luck finding a manager who our squad suits!!

 

Maybe this guy

 

[Stadt]

4 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

I don’t want Dyche, not because I don’t like him, but because our squad doesn’t suit his style of football at all. 
 

I know the squad will change in the summer but we don’t need to make it even harder for ourselves. 

We have 1 striker and he has a year left on his deal (Daka). Midfield is pretty threadbare anyway, you'd expect Winks, Ndidi and Soumare to be off.

 

It's a bit of a blank slate. We could sign players that would be suited to Dyche and non-Dyche managers. E.g Salech - the trouble is it requires a DoF and recruitment team to see further than their nose.

Edited 12 May 2025 by Stadt

[HighPeakFox]

10 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

 

Ta

tboight I was in a parallel universe for a moment 

Apologies - I stand corrected. Obviously suffering from recency bias. 

[LFox99]

Would have taken him in the summer but not now. 

You just know that there is no chance Monga/ Evans/ Alves/ Nelson will get any significant minutes under him because he has and will always prefer experience. 

[Foxin_Mad]

Its completely true the club need a vision first, where are they headed? If Dycheball is where they want to go fair enough, bring in the players and staff to suit that, plan for a future of Dycheball and a Dyche type sucessor for a few years down the line.

 

What we cant do is bring him in, build a squad, even stay up and then fook him off in search of tippy tappy. We need a sustainable path, clubs structure and succession planning for when things go stale or someone gets poached for players and staff. Continually be thinking who could we approach next if we need to, draw up a list of players who could replace current assets should we have to sell. Its not particularly difficult but this club is absolutely stinking. 

[Aleksz]

34 minutes ago, AjcW said:

I honestly think we could **** this thread off with a simple sentance.

 

Sean Dyche is a good football manager, but not what we currently need given our increasingly impressive youth system and desire to become more self sufficient through the development and sale of highly rated young players, whether from Seagrave or brought in from abroad/other clubs.

Nailed it.

 

But but, he’ll give us pashun 

[Mike the Metal Ed]

14 minutes ago, Stadt said:

I'm actually a bit fed up of defending Dyche but people keep making straw man arguments about him. Burnley had the faculties of a League 1 club, e.g training ground, recruitment set up, academy set up - he got them up twice, kept them up and finished 7th with them. Eventually it went stale but were just miles off being a modern PL club still, of which maybe he can carry some of the blame but a manager can't go against the tide forever.

 

At Everton, their squad was absolutely dogshit and somehow expensively assembled, the ownership was shambolic at this point and he kept them up twice (at our expense). Moyes took over amongst the backdrop of a takeover and new ground, it's a fresh start and a completely different mood.

 

He's been at clubs with pretty different circumstances to where we are now, that might mean he is a bad fit but in the absence of good youth prospects at Burnley and Everton it doesn't automatically mean he'd bin Alves off and play Reid or whatever.

To be honest, I just couldn't stand the way his Burnley team played the last time he brought them to the KP, and that was after plenty of years to bring forth his vision. 

 

Must be someone out there who can play grassy chess like Maresca but with a little more flexibility and urgency when called for.

[Dan]

I do think he's quite harshly rated at times and I think if you were totally, utterly honest, he's probably your best bet of going up and staying up. I don't think he could do much beyond that and I don't think you ever felt like Burnley were really improving year on year, more just surviving.

 

The Everton thing is a weird one. Their fans mostly thought he had to go but also respect the quite tough job he did there. People talk about this massive upturn under Moyes. They have improved but they've definitely flattened out again. Moyes is also better than Dyche. I thought this was fairly obvious.

 

We're a Championship team for the second time in three years. I don't think we have this massive pull that we once did. I thought two years ago we could very much run off credit in the bank but after what's happened this season, we are essentially Farke's Norwich, we're Southampton, we're firmly in this category now through the total and utter neglect of the board.

 

I think he's a limited manager and I do think his lack of track record of bringing younger players through, particularly given the situation we're in where we seem to have numerous promising prospects is a risky one. Even Dyche's biggest fan would have to concede that he's probably not going to be the best person to bring through someone like Monga.

 

I do think he's quite harshly criticised though. A scenario where he got us up next season, kept us up the season after then was sacked in October 2027 following poor start is probably better than what is likely to actually play out at this point. Not my absolute number one but I think in our current situation we could do worse.

[Joe90]

Yea get him in he is a decent manager who has form in getting clubs promoted and keeping them in the premier league 

[indierich06]

33 minutes ago, Aleksz said:

Nailed it.

 

But but, he’ll give us pashun 

It's not like he's never done it though is it? He brought through Dwight McNeill, he developed James Tarkowski, Nick Pope, Ben Mee and Michael Keane who were all young players when he managed them. He turned 24 year old Tarkowski into an England international, 24  year old Nick Pope - still playing in the PL now - he got Ben Mee when he was 23 years old and turned him into a PL defender,  but yeah don't let him near 21 year old Ben Nelson I guess.

 

This reductive, snobbish idea that he just shouts a bit and plays shit football is nonsense, especially when examining his very good record as a championship manager. Bring on Richie Wellens (???) instead.

Edited 12 May 2025 by indierich06

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

The funniest thing I find about this argument I imagine the vast majority of these people who say Dyche isn’t a premier league manager, are probably the same types that rate Frank who’s done a very similar job at Brentford less successfully and with more money 

Or say Lampard would be a good fit