Sean Dyche

[CrispinLA in Texas]

11 minutes ago, Ricey said:

 

"Play my way....442".

 

Just incase anyone still believes that the only reason Burnley and Everton played the way they did was for any reasons outside of his control.

 

I don't want him after reading the replies, didn't realise that Everton were that bad under him, getting thrashed by a poor ManU side (just like us) and also getting spanked by Southampton 

[ClaphamFox]

48 minutes ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

I don't want him after reading the replies, didn't realise that Everton were that bad under him, getting thrashed by a poor ManU side (just like us) and also getting spanked by Southampton 

Every time I hear Sean Dyche speak it reinforces my view that I don't want him anywhere near our football club.

[Guy]

2 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Every time I hear Sean Dyche speak it reinforces my view that I don't want him anywhere near our football club.

Man. United are welcome to him as I think Amorim's likely to be a dead man walking there now, especially if Spurs beat them in the Europa....!

Edited 15 May 2025 by Guy

[TheGoldenGod]

Dyche is the only person in the world that loves the sound of that voice. He's the gruffer version of Coady. I listened to the whole thing today, pure waffle from him!

[FOXYTALK]

1 hour ago, Guy said:

Man. United are welcome to him as I think Amorim's likely to be a dead man walking there now, especially if Spurs beat them in the Europa....!

Agreed it's style over squad. The same squad Ten Hag won 2x trophies and got a top 4 finish. 

[Guest Bilo]

Dyche is a dinosaur and his reputation is built purely on getting a Burnley side to briefly overachieve seven years ago. The game has moved quicker than he has, which is why his record in more recent years is honking. His Championship experience is a decade old and I'd argue that competition has changed significantly since then. 

[kingfox]

Even though I’ve defended him regarding his use of younger players, of course from a style of play perspective, if we had any sense we’d go absolutely nowhere near him. 
 

But the other scary alternative is Russell Martin, and it would be no surprise if we appointed one of them. 
 

It’s like choosing between Bonnie Blue and Lily Phillips, if you had any sense, you’d avoid both. 

[HankMarvin]

26 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Dyche is a dinosaur and his reputation is built purely on getting a Burnley side to briefly overachieve seven years ago. The game has moved quicker than he has, which is why his record in more recent years is honking. His Championship experience is a decade old and I'd argue that competition has changed significantly since then. 

Yeah if you totally ignore what he achieved on keeping Everton up when they hadn’t won for about 3 months and look dead and buried when he took over.

 

clearly you think Burnley are an established premier league club, as keeping them up or finishing 10th doesn’t count as an overachievement.

Edited 15 May 2025 by HankMarvin

[stevostadium]

I dont get this obsession with playing monga evans et al. They have zero experience in league football, the championship is a brutal place to learn your trade.

They need to be sent out on loan like the likes of KDH Barnes Chillwell etc etc. RVN is trying to get people on his side in the short term.

I want a manager who will take us up and couldnt care less if that consists of 30 yo journeyman.

Stick with Ruud and we shafted.

Take Dyche all day long

[ceebeefox]

Can’t see it being him as we have recently bought in “club “ coaches, and he comes with Woan and another ex Forest winger whose name escapes me.

[Guest Bilo]

9 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Yeah if you totally ignore what he achieved on keeping Everton up when they hadn’t won for about 3 months and look dead and buried when he took over.

 

clearly you think Burnley are an established premier league club, as keeping them up or finishing 10th doesn’t count as an overachievement.

Being a better Premier League manager than Frank Lampard is a bit like being the slimmest person on Half Ton Hospital. Yes, you might not need someone to partially demolish your home to get you to a dentist's appointment, but you're still not going to be able to see your dick. 

 

Burnley are just one in a long line of clubs who had a decent one off season. Wigan, Birmingham, Hull, Burnley and now Forest are all clubs who massively overachieved against low expectations. If he'd made it sustained, I'd be listening. We're not advocating for Roberto Martinez, Steve Bruce or Alex McLeish to come here, are we? 

[ClaphamFox]

4 minutes ago, stevostadium said:

I dont get this obsession with playing monga evans et al. They have zero experience in league football, the championship is a brutal place to learn your trade.

They need to be sent out on loan like the likes of KDH Barnes Chillwell etc etc. RVN is trying to get people on his side in the short term.

I want a manager who will take us up and couldnt care less if that consists of 30 yo journeyman.

Stick with Ruud and we shafted.

Take Dyche all day long

The idea that the Championship is more 'brutal' than any other league is a myth. It will be much easier for them to learn their trade their than in the PL, which is far less forgiving. And I don't think anybody is advocating for Monga and Evans to play if there are better players in their positions - however, if either or both of them are ready for first team football, we should not hesitate to include them. 

[gazzaa2]

Should have got him before Everton did two years ago. Everton stayed up at Lecester's expense after keeping Rodgers too long.

 

Only good thing if he was appointed is if we go back up he'd be a good option to then stay up. But his football is abysmal.

[Samilktray]

11 minutes ago, stevostadium said:

I dont get this obsession with playing monga evans et al. They have zero experience in league football, the championship is a brutal place to learn your trade.

They need to be sent out on loan like the likes of KDH Barnes Chillwell etc etc. RVN is trying to get people on his side in the short term.

I want a manager who will take us up and couldnt care less if that consists of 30 yo journeyman.

Stick with Ruud and we shafted.

Take Dyche all day long

This is a really weird opinion to have 

[Chelmofox]

2 minutes ago, stevostadium said:

I dont get this obsession with playing monga evans et al. They have zero experience in league football, the championship is a brutal place to learn your trade.

They need to be sent out on loan like the likes of KDH Barnes Chillwell etc etc. RVN is trying to get people on his side in the short term.

I want a manager who will take us up and couldnt care less if that consists of 30 yo journeyman.

Stick with Ruud and we shafted.

Take Dyche all day long

Being in the Championship we don't need to send them out on loan! We can develop them as part of our own progression. 

 

If that takes more than 1 season to come up then thats better than buying players that have no long term future at the club just to play short term Dycheball. 

 

There is an amazing opportunity here as we do appear to have a bit of a golden age in our academy. A core set of players could get promoted to the PL as a well oiled hungry youthful unit, coupled up with exciting players like Okoli/Fatawu/Mavadidi/Jakub and hopefully BEK. Some of these players have pretty high potential ceilings. It could all come together at the right time. I really don't understand why people aren't excited by that.

 

It needs to be a balance though, and that why there is still a place for Riccy/JJ/Coady/Skipp and even BDR. 

 

[OntarioFox]

I don't think 4-4-2 should be a dirty word. We largely won the league playing that formation (well, 4-4-1-1 really with Shinji sat behind Jamie). The best performance we ever put in under Brenda was when we demolished Villa away, with Vardy and Iheanacho playing one of their only games together up top.

 

However, to blindly stick to it would be just as sinful as any combination of Enzo / Puel / Rodgersball. Players have different skillsets nowadays, and the best managers are capable of adapting their game plan to utilise them effectively.

 

Dyche, despite the dinosaur accusations, is just the other cheek of the same arse as possession fetishists - unwilling to compromise even when it doesn't work.

Edited 15 May 2025 by OntarioFox

[goose2010]

18 minutes ago, stevostadium said:

I dont get this obsession with playing monga evans et al. They have zero experience in league football, the championship is a brutal place to learn your trade.

They need to be sent out on loan like the likes of KDH Barnes Chillwell etc etc. RVN is trying to get people on his side in the short term.

I want a manager who will take us up and couldnt care less if that consists of 30 yo journeyman.

Stick with Ruud and we shafted.

Take Dyche all day long

Barnes went on loan to West Brom in the Championship. KDH went on loan to Luton in the championship and Chillwell played 8 games out on loan so your argument is pretty poor! 

Edited 15 May 2025 by goose2010

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, stevostadium said:

I dont get this obsession with playing monga evans et al. They have zero experience in league football, the championship is a brutal place to learn your trade.

They need to be sent out on loan like the likes of KDH Barnes Chillwell etc etc. RVN is trying to get people on his side in the short term.

I want a manager who will take us up and couldnt care less if that consists of 30 yo journeyman.

Stick with Ruud and we shafted.

Take Dyche all day long

It is about long-term progress as opposed to short-term. The only realistic way I can see of us getting back to, or anywhere close to, where we were is harnessing the potential of the academy and training ground, which means providing a clear pathway to the first team for young players. That doesn't have to mean starting them every game or never signing anyone over the age of 21, but it does mean giving opportunities and squad places to players like Alves, Monga and Evans - players who we can reasonably expect to improve and give us some return on our investment in them. I don't really see why anyone would not want that.

Edited 15 May 2025 by Guest

[Corky]

26 minutes ago, ceebeefox said:

Can’t see it being him as we have recently bought in “club “ coaches, and he comes with Woan and another ex Forest winger whose name escapes me.

Steve Stone although going by that interview Dave Dodds could be joining too.

[HankMarvin]

14 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Being a better Premier League manager than Frank Lampard is a bit like being the slimmest person on Half Ton Hospital. Yes, you might not need someone to partially demolish your home to get you to a dentist's appointment, but you're still not going to be able to see your dick. 

 

Burnley are just one in a long line of clubs who had a decent one off season. Wigan, Birmingham, Hull, Burnley and now Forest are all clubs who massively overachieved against low expectations. If he'd made it sustained, I'd be listening. We're not advocating for Roberto Martinez, Steve Bruce or Alex McLeish to come here, are we? 

So 10th wasn’t a decent season for Burnley 🤣 and wasn’t overachieving?

keeping Burnley in the top flight for 5 consecutive seasons isn’t an overachievement?

Remind me again how Bundesliga winning Kompany got on?

[Guest Bilo]

26 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

So 10th wasn’t a decent season for Burnley 🤣 and wasn’t overachieving?

keeping Burnley in the top flight for 5 consecutive seasons isn’t an overachievement?

Remind me again how Bundesliga winning Kompany got on?

He was awful at Everton, which suggests he's a bit of a one hit wonder. I get you like him, but this foaming at the mouth in defence of him seems a bit misplaced. 

[Pliskin]

1 hour ago, stevostadium said:

I dont get this obsession with playing monga evans et al. They have zero experience in league football, the championship is a brutal place to learn your trade.

They need to be sent out on loan like the likes of KDH Barnes Chillwell etc etc. RVN is trying to get people on his side in the short term.

I want a manager who will take us up and couldnt care less if that consists of 30 yo journeyman.

Stick with Ruud and we shafted.

Take Dyche all day long

Thank god you don’t have any say in the running of the club….

[HankMarvin]

Just now, Bilo said:

He was awful at Everton, which suggests he's a bit of a one hit wonder. I get you like him, but this foaming at the mouth in defence of him seems a bit misplaced. 

No it’s not foaming at mouth it’s just highlighting those particular points make little sense. 
Just like you saying he was awful at Everton. 
He had a poor finish.

 

People like yourself totally glaze over what someone has achieved because they have a dislike for someone or their style of football.

The same with the assumptions about playing young players and work developing academies contrary to what is in the public domain.  
 

He was at Everton after a season after they spent £1.7m in the previous window and managed to keep them up. Survived relegation despite 2 sets of points of deductions in the following season.

 

Burnley your concept of overachieving is a 7th place finish despite a 10th placed finish and 5 consecutive seasons in the top flight. 
 

I haven’t commented on his style of play, or said I want him as manager but tend to look a bit deeper than just follow opinions.

 

 

[Guest Bilo]

9 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

No it’s not foaming at mouth it’s just highlighting those particular points make little sense. 
Just like you saying he was awful at Everton. 
He had a poor finish.

 

People like yourself totally glaze over what someone has achieved because they have a dislike for someone or their style of football.

The same with the assumptions about playing young players and work developing academies contrary to what is in the public domain.  
 

He was at Everton after a season after they spent £1.7m in the previous window and managed to keep them up. Survived relegation despite 2 sets of points of deductions in the following season.

 

Burnley your concept of overachieving is a 7th place finish despite a 10th placed finish and 5 consecutive seasons in the top flight. 
 

I haven’t commented on his style of play, or said I want him as manager but tend to look a bit deeper than just follow opinions.

 

 

But many of these achievements are in the past now. Some managers don't move with the times and I suspect Dyche may be among them. It's moving fast, and five years ago may as well be an eternity. It's even longer than that since he last managed in the Championship. 

 

It isn't snobbery over his style of football, it's his lack of enthusiasm for playing younger players (of which we have a promising abundance,) and the fact that Everton have been completely transformed since he left and was replaced by David Moyes - another manager not exactly renowned for swashbuckling, attractive football. If a team suddenly improves with few changes to personnel beyond the manager, you have to question the previous incumbent. Dyche improved Everton after Lampard, but that wouldn't be too hard. Nuno Espirito Santo improved Forest after Cooper with many of the same players before getting a summer. 

[Pliskin]

40 minutes ago, Bilo said:

But many of these achievements are in the past now. Some managers don't move with the times and I suspect Dyche may be among them. It's moving fast, and five years ago may as well be an eternity. It's even longer than that since he last managed in the Championship. 

 

It isn't snobbery over his style of football, it's his lack of enthusiasm for playing younger players (of which we have a promising abundance,) and the fact that Everton have been completely transformed since he left and was replaced by David Moyes - another manager not exactly renowned for swashbuckling, attractive football. If a team suddenly improves with few changes to personnel beyond the manager, you have to question the previous incumbent. Dyche improved Everton after Lampard, but that wouldn't be too hard. Nuno Espirito Santo improved Forest after Cooper with many of the same players before getting a summer. 

You have hit the nail on the head. Dyche is an unprogressive Luddite, and this isn’t a trait that is endearing for modern day football. His achievements largely came in a period where the Pep effect hadn’t progressed through the leagues, but it now has, and more refined football is swooping the nation.

 

And how people can draw a correlation between us and Everton is just pointless, the situations are different. Everton have been clinging onto the arse hairs of the premier league like a dingleberry for four seasons, they’ve benefitted from having poor rivals, and the only team in that battle with an ounce of fight. That’s what Dyche is good at, he is basically a modern version of big Sam. 

 

He certainly is not the man to rebuild the football club, one that wants a progressive manager not one that will take the club back to the dark ages. What we need is an innovative young manager with a hunger and a desire to prove themselves and be brave enough to take risks on young players. 

 

We have has success this way through Brendan and Enzo (even though some seem to want to suggest Enzo wasn’t and then suggest Dyche)…… We need to revisit this, and make a careful considered decision and bring in a manager who fits this ideology.