Premier League has charged LCFC with an alleged breach of PSR

[Foxmeister]

3 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

Brilliantly summed up.

He isn't saying we haven't ****ed up with stupid decisions, merely saying this system doesn't allow anyone outside the big 6 to make a mistake. 

Why don’t the other 14 vote it out then?

[Stadt]

7 minutes ago, Corky said:

I think @Stadt mentioned that we spent big on mediocrity so we haven't been able to comply yet are left with a squad of relatively little value.

 

We have been poor sellers for years. Maguire did a lot of heavy lifting on our reputation. Relegation forced us to lose Barnes and Maddison for less than their value. Losing Iversen on a free when we could have brought in money, too.

 

Tielemans, Soyuncu, Perez, Iheanacho and Praet all going for nothing- probably north of £60 million lost there. It means we are forced to lose our better assets for less to get some revenue in.

 

 

Yep, 21/22 we spent big and consciously (if you believe them) didn’t make a sale. That record net spend, beaten by last summer’s dross btw, was on Daka, Soumare & Vestergaard none of whom were signed as first choice players.

 

£40m on a proper RW and no additional spend would have been better.

[foxgas]

31 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

It all started when we bought Slimani for 30m

Giving Vesty a new contract was incomprehensible. 

[MattFox]

5 minutes ago, Foxmeister said:

Why don’t the other 14 vote it out then?

The likes of Brighton, Palace, Bournemouth want protection from a Newcastle or Villa spending spree basically 

[MattFox]

4 hours ago, teblin said:

There are 2 things that can be true, we have made terrible decisions and PSR rules are poor and seems like they cause issues.

 

Much of our decisions are influenced by what might happen with PSR and I think that has in turn made us make bad decisions and decisions we wouldn’t have made if PSR was t an issue.

 

That said we only have ourselves to blame really.

Agree now but I’d say the issues created in 2020-22 were down to not considering the PSR risks enough 

[Realist Guy In The Room]

4 hours ago, Happy Fox said:

PSR I don’t see clubs like Brentford / Fulham having issues, , fact is we are the worst run club in the top flight and I actually feel we are on par with Sheffield Wednesday.

Yet.

 

The point here is, clubs of this size and type are only one or two bad decisions away from being in the shit and once you’re in it, there seemingly isn’t a way out.

 

In 2-3 years, people will be saying about Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth etc what they’re now saying about us.

 

The ownership and senior board are woefully inadequate, but let’s not pretend this fate doesnt await other clubs.

[Tommy Fresh]

9 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

Yet.

 

The point here is, clubs of this size and type are only one or two bad decisions away from being in the shit and once you’re in it, there seemingly isn’t a way out.

 

In 2-3 years, people will be saying about Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth etc what they’re now saying about us.

 

The ownership and senior board are woefully inadequate, but let’s not pretend this fate doesnt await other clubs.

People have been saying this about Brighton for ages

[st albans fox]

42 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

Yet.

 

The point here is, clubs of this size and type are only one or two bad decisions away from being in the shit and once you’re in it, there seemingly isn’t a way out.

 

In 2-3 years, people will be saying about Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth etc what they’re now saying about us.

 

The ownership and senior board are woefully inadequate, but let’s not pretend this fate doesnt await other clubs.

 

32 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

People have been saying this about Brighton for ages

Clubs have seen our demise. They realise that hanging onto players mid contract or offering unsustainable salaries will endanger them. See wolves selling their two best players this week and Brentford similar.  Brighton have done this already.  Fulham happy to sell if they get a decent fee. And Bournemouth.too. 
 

they’re not risking their future on the alter of over ambition.  The uncompetitive nature of the PL re relegation means that they don’t have to work miracles on recruitment either. 

Edited 8 June 2025 by st albans fox

[Tommy Fresh]

Just now, st albans fox said:

 

Clubs have seen our demise. They realise that hanging onto players mid contract or offering unsustainable salaries will endanger them. See wolves selling their two best players this week and Brentford similar.  Brighton have done this already.  Fulham happy to sell if they get a decent fee. And Bournemouth.too. 

People were saying it about Brighton before our demise, the difference is Brighton have an owner who's behind their transfer model, and brings people in to work within that. He isn't changing that thinking for a manager like we did

[Foxmeister]

1 hour ago, MattFox said:

The likes of Brighton, Palace, Bournemouth want protection from a Newcastle or Villa spending spree basically 

It’s not just for the big 6 then.

[Ric Flair]

It is true thst PSR prevents clubs from righting wrongs by throwing even more money at it. Whether that's fair or not is highly debatable. I've very little sympathy for us and I seriously doubt we'd be looking to a healthy future if we were able to spend freely right now. We're absolutely mingbeast.

[pmcla26]

How is there a world where Liverpool are bidding £113m for a player and we aren’t allowed to give Vardy a new contract

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

2 hours ago, whoareyaaa said:

It all started when we bought Slimani for 30m

This is why the likes of us, Brighton, Brentford and some years ago Southampton had a good formula - buy potential with a high ceiling who have an incentive to progress and carve out a career. As soon as clubs of our ilk arrogantly transition to spending massive fees on ‘established’ players who lack the fire in the belly to improve the margin of error becomes paper thin. You cannot afford to get it wrong - and some point you will. It’s inevitable.

 

Also players who are worth big money don’t really want to come to clubs like ours, so you end paying over the odds for players lower down the pecking order who aren’t worth it. Agents have had a field day playing on our so called ambition. 
 

I’m saying some of this through hindsight of course, but if you actually think about it - it’s obvious. We have been run into the grounds by buffoons.

Edited 8 June 2025 by Wasyls Pec Deck

[Dan]

8 hours ago, Philkeavo said:

I agree, Martin Samuel has consistently railed against PSR. It is a good article but I think it gives Top, Rudkin and Whelan some unjustified cover. Their management of the club in past three years has been calamitous.

There's a real tendency in football fans to just think for a silver bullet all of the time and that there is only one issue at a time. Charlatans like Aiyawatt and Rudkin will hide behind this exact thing as it's a convenient cover up for their own incompetence.

 

I do generally agree with the point though - PSR is a scandal and part of the super league by stealth method that has been implemented.

[filbertway]

I sometimes think I've wandered onto an Everton forum, the victim complex in some is hardcore  

 

PSR has probably saved the club, can't imagine how much the club would be in debt if they had the freedom to "correct mistakes". By this, people of course mean the freedom to run up even more debt against the club. 

 

The last things we need are those bozo's spending hundreds of millions a year on trash and have a squad full of about 40-50 people because we can't shift them.

 

 

[The_77]

4 hours ago, Foxmeister said:

Why don’t the other 14 vote it out then?

To placate the rich 6 and keep them from being tempted away by a Super League. 

[Pliskin]

Next season is going to be horrific isn’t it?

[coolhandfox]

Just now, Pliskin said:

Next season is going to be horrific isn’t it?

Impossible to say, to many unknowns!

[Ric Flair]

Just now, Pliskin said:

Next season is going to be horrific isn’t it?

Think the one after will be even worse.

[coolhandfox]

Just now, Ric Flair said:

Think the one after will be even worse.

Depends whether we bring in a manager who can develop our youth players.

 

We are so manager led in all departments a lot depends on that one appointment.

[Ric Flair]

31 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Depends whether we bring in a manager who can develop our youth players.

 

We are so manager led in all departments a lot depends on that one appointment.

Just think the pinch will still be felt. 3 year losses to the end of 25/26 is only allowed to be £61m and if we don't come up, only £39m to the end of 26/27.

 

Feels awkwardly difficult. 

[Lad1966]

On 07/06/2025 at 14:05, RyCleary said:

Frank to Spurs, McKenna to Brentford and Rohl to Ipswich before we’ve sacked RVN. Bank on it

 

31 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Think the one after will be even worse.

If it takes the club a season or two to get rid of this annual PSR issue, so be it, as long as we develop/grow with our youth. Despite a potential point deduction, I still think we could make the play off, with the right manager!

[coolhandfox]

20 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Just think the pinch will still be felt. 3 year losses to the end of 25/26 is only allowed to be £61m and if we don't come up, only £39m to the end of 26/27.

 

Feels awkwardly difficult. 

But still an advantage over most of the league.

[LCFCJohn]

12 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

It is true thst PSR prevents clubs from righting wrongs by throwing even more money at it. Whether that's fair or not is highly debatable. I've very little sympathy for us and I seriously doubt we'd be looking to a healthy future if we were able to spend freely right now. We're absolutely mingbeast.

Agreed. Someone said on here yesterday that we are unable to spend our way out of it but I disagree that is what we need. We need to reduce our costs. We can spend plenty, we just don’t spend it wisely.

 

Even if we had taken it seriously when we were relegated two years ago, none of the following would be here now;

 

Vestergaard

Coady

Skipp

Winks

Ndidi

Ayew

BDR

 

Obviously Ward and Vardy going as well. That’d be much of the cost reduced. You’d have a year left of Soumare and Daka from the 2021 spend. You’d have Faes and the January 2023 spend of VK and Souttar. I think Souttar will be a useful player for us and the other 4 with the length on their contracts will attract interest.

 

So like you, I struggle with sympathy for the club in the sense of where we are now, how much we have fallen and that it is still hanging over us in 2025!

 

Also agree that if we could spend as much as we wanted this would put the whole clubs future at risk as although we know PSR and FFP are to protect the big clubs, the official line being to protect clubs from going to the wall would apply to us under Aiyawatt in terms of an owner who would be incompetent enough to bankrupt us if left to his own devices.

[Pliskin]

14 hours ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

Yet.

 

The point here is, clubs of this size and type are only one or two bad decisions away from being in the shit and once you’re in it, there seemingly isn’t a way out.

 

In 2-3 years, people will be saying about Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth etc what they’re now saying about us.

 

The ownership and senior board are woefully inadequate, but let’s not pretend this fate doesnt await other clubs.

This is extremely true. Especially for clubs like Villa and Forest….. who now HAVE to qualify for Europe every season to comply. Like you say one bad season just completely ****s you over. 
 

 

What will be interesting is Manure, thanks to this season they’re on course to lose over £400m in three consecutive seasons….. will they even be looked at? Doubt it…. That will be brushed under the carpet as if it never happened. 

Edited 9 June 2025 by Pliskin