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kenny

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1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Reading that, one of the dead 5 was 23 with no previous convictions.  Could be that he ended up wrong place, wrong time. 
Sad to say but society will be a better place with the deaths of the other 4. How awful to feel that way.   if Michael Cahill wasn’t a ‘wrong’un’ we’ll be reading about it in due course. 
 

Have all those arrests been made in response to the events of Sunday morning?  hope that police aren’t too worried to nick certain people to avoid negative local community reactions. 

The vigils were touching. Hundreds of people dressed in balaclavas to honour their fallen comrades.

 

Brings a tear to your eye.

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davieG

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Came across this

 

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. If social media networks can remove Premier League footage within seconds, they can use the same technology and human intervention backup to remove any harmful content within minutes.

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MrSpaM

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Narborough road is just getting worse and worse since Covid, so glad i moved out of that area a couple of years ago

 

It was fine until the police started pushing the homeless out of the city center during covid, which forced them all to the area

 

Not saying it's necessarily the homeless' fault, but that was the catalyst to all the violence in the area

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Brizzle Fox

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1 hour ago, kenny said:

The vigils were touching. Hundreds of people dressed in balaclavas to honour their fallen comrades.

 

Brings a tear to your eye.

 

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inckley fox

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20 hours ago, FoyleFox said:

On Sunday I did have full sympathy with the families of all impacted. I couldn't not, they'd all lost a son, brother, uncle etc. Seemingly all innocent victims of the crash and now grieving a loved one. 

 

After a selection of revelations yesterday and today's arrests, (I'm going to guess that lot who've been arrested are probably family members). I'm much less sympathetic. 

The lads in the car, 4 had a list of previous convictions, I'm willing to bet those arrested have too. The lads involved had no chance of a decent life if those arrested today were their role models. 

 

My heart goes out to the family, colleagues and friends of the police officers killed. 

You can still have sympathy for people mourning lost ones in spite of the imperfections of their children, or their imperfections as parents. How many parents of kids who were lost due to misfortune or the malice of others are held up as heroes, only for someone to point out that they were down the pub when whatever happened happened, or hadn't been especially attentive parents? You still wouldn't wish that on them, nor assume that they were negligent.

 

I've known enough despairing parents who've tried their hardest, but to no avail, for me to pause before saying 'let them rot in hell'. As others have pointed out, the young child of one of these criminals bears no blame for the choices its father made. It won't need to grow up surrounded by such vitriol for the parent they lost.

 

You can also have sympathy for those who lost their lives, and probably deserved little else for their actions. We've all made serious mistakes when we were younger, some of which endangered others, and we've all known people involved in criminality who learnt from their errors and went on to be better people. In fact, many of the cultural luminaries who shaped our world have major black marks against their names from their younger years. You've got to have some hope, and it's this instinct which drives many police officers, teachers, social workers, prison staff, counsellors to be the best in their professions. That, to a degree, is why the loss of those two public servants is so terrible.

 

Maybe all of this optimism is a bit of a stretch with some of these characters, but I don't know anywhere near enough about them to be entirely cold about their deaths, nor to be sure that they're of no loss to the world whatsoever. At first glance, I get where you're all coming from. But it's not a world of black-and-white truths, and those who'd have you believe that it is, and to employ your rage against the 'bad guys', are also the people doing the most damage in the world today. Ironically, social media may have played a massive role in this tragedy, but it may also be behind much of the rabid fury in the response to it. I'd honestly urge people to resist it.

 

I doubt very much that those five young people - for the most part - are the sorts of people who'd have been similarly charitable in their views of others. But I don't know their full stories, so I think it'd be more constructive - rather than saying good riddance, raging at their vigils, smearing crap on their tombstones or turning these fools into antichrists for five minutes then forgetting about it when the next big news item steals our lust for vengeance - to respond productively. To understand that there is a huge problem in how we raise our children, as parents and educators, in the world of social media, and to be bolder, less worried about the billionaires and politicians we offend, in facing up to this.

 

 

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Trav Le Bleu

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9 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

You can still have sympathy for people mourning lost ones in spite of the imperfections of their children, or their imperfections as parents. How many parents of kids who were lost due to misfortune or the malice of others are held up as heroes, only for someone to point out that they were down the pub when whatever happened happened, or hadn't been especially attentive parents? You still wouldn't wish that on them, nor assume that they were negligent.

 

I've known enough despairing parents who've tried their hardest, but to no avail, for me to pause before saying 'let them rot in hell'. As others have pointed out, the young child of one of these criminals bears no blame for the choices its father made. It won't need to grow up surrounded by such vitriol for the parent they lost.

 

You can also have sympathy for those who lost their lives, and probably deserved little else for their actions. We've all made serious mistakes when we were younger, some of which endangered others, and we've all known people involved in criminality who learnt from their errors and went on to be better people. In fact, many of the cultural luminaries who shaped our world have major black marks against their names from their younger years. You've got to have some hope, and it's this instinct which drives many police officers, teachers, social workers, prison staff, counsellors to be the best in their professions. That, to a degree, is why the loss of those two public servants is so terrible.

 

Maybe all of this optimism is a bit of a stretch with some of these characters, but I don't know anywhere near enough about them to be entirely cold about their deaths, nor to be sure that they're of no loss to the world whatsoever. At first glance, I get where you're all coming from. But it's not a world of black-and-white truths, and those who'd have you believe that it is, and to employ your rage against the 'bad guys', are also the people doing the most damage in the world today. Ironically, social media may have played a massive role in this tragedy, but it may also be behind much of the rabid fury in the response to it. I'd honestly urge people to resist it.

 

I doubt very much that those five young people - for the most part - are the sorts of people who'd have been similarly charitable in their views of others. But I don't know their full stories, so I think it'd be more constructive - rather than saying good riddance, raging at their vigils, smearing crap on their tombstones or turning these fools into antichrists for five minutes then forgetting about it when the next big news item steals our lust for vengeance - to respond productively. To understand that there is a huge problem in how we raise our children, as parents and educators, in the world of social media, and to be bolder, less worried about the billionaires and politicians we offend, in facing up to this.

 

 

Yes we are all imperfect and you can't always blame parents for their kids. But from what's come out it seems that this "gang" might have been run by a matriarchal hierarchy of at least 3 generations.

 

You're being harsh on @FoyleFox. There's a world of difference between having no sympathy and wishing hell and damnation.

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Foxdiamond

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15 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

You can still have sympathy for people mourning lost ones in spite of the imperfections of their children, or their imperfections as parents. How many parents of kids who were lost due to misfortune or the malice of others are held up as heroes, only for someone to point out that they were down the pub when whatever happened happened, or hadn't been especially attentive parents? You still wouldn't wish that on them, nor assume that they were negligent.

 

I've known enough despairing parents who've tried their hardest, but to no avail, for me to pause before saying 'let them rot in hell'. As others have pointed out, the young child of one of these criminals bears no blame for the choices its father made. It won't need to grow up surrounded by such vitriol for the parent they lost.

 

You can also have sympathy for those who lost their lives, and probably deserved little else for their actions. We've all made serious mistakes when we were younger, some of which endangered others, and we've all known people involved in criminality who learnt from their errors and went on to be better people. In fact, many of the cultural luminaries who shaped our world have major black marks against their names from their younger years. You've got to have some hope, and it's this instinct which drives many police officers, teachers, social workers, prison staff, counsellors to be the best in their professions. That, to a degree, is why the loss of those two public servants is so terrible.

 

Maybe all of this optimism is a bit of a stretch with some of these characters, but I don't know anywhere near enough about them to be entirely cold about their deaths, nor to be sure that they're of no loss to the world whatsoever. At first glance, I get where you're all coming from. But it's not a world of black-and-white truths, and those who'd have you believe that it is, and to employ your rage against the 'bad guys', are also the people doing the most damage in the world today. Ironically, social media may have played a massive role in this tragedy, but it may also be behind much of the rabid fury in the response to it. I'd honestly urge people to resist it.

 

I doubt very much that those five young people - for the most part - are the sorts of people who'd have been similarly charitable in their views of others. But I don't know their full stories, so I think it'd be more constructive - rather than saying good riddance, raging at their vigils, smearing crap on their tombstones or turning these fools into antichrists for five minutes then forgetting about it when the next big news item steals our lust for vengeance - to respond productively. To understand that there is a huge problem in how we raise our children, as parents and educators, in the world of social media, and to be bolder, less worried about the billionaires and politicians we offend, in facing up to this.

 

 

What worries me is what appears to be lawless don't give a damn about anything good or fine underclass parasites that stains our society. Don't confuse this with the traditional working class. 

inckley fox

inckley fox

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10 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Yes we are all imperfect and you can't always blame parents for their kids. But from what's come out it seems that this "gang" might have been run by a matriarchal hierarchy of at least 3 generations.

 

You're being harsh on @FoyleFox. There's a world of difference between having no sympathy and wishing hell and damnation.

Oh no, I'm directing nothing whatsoever at FoyleFox! I don't remember being remotely upset by anything he or she wrote and totally understand the feelings of shock or dismay. But there has also been a lot of anger on here, often from excellent and balanced posters, and to be honest I think the root cause of brutal moral crusades - the sort that certain politicians and social media movers thrive on - is a lack of sympathy. Perhaps there is a matriarchal crime baroness behind all of this, but that wouldn't preclude feeling a degree of sympathy or sadness for some, maybe all, of the people involved.

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inckley fox

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6 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

What worries me is what appears to be lawless don't give a damn about anything good or fine underclass parasites that stains our society. Don't confuse this with the traditional working class. 

God no, I never would.

Wymsey

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Burnham needs to engage with Labour better.

 

It's wrong that those on benefits often get more compared to if they were working.

st albans fox

st albans fox

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33 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Burnham needs to engage with Labour better.

 

It's wrong that those on benefits often get more compared to if they were working.

I assume that this only happens in very particular circumstances 

Trav Le Bleu

Trav Le Bleu

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I assume Trump will be sailing his private yacht through there to prove it's safe.

 

Trump says all mines cleared from Strait of Hormuz - BBC News

 

https://share.google/939by34C9QHQKt19q

 

Who's going to trust someone who notoriously just makes stuff up on the fly?

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Jattdogg

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4 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

I assume Trump will be sailing his private yacht through there to prove it's safe.

 

Trump says all mines cleared from Strait of Hormuz - BBC News

 

https://share.google/939by34C9QHQKt19q

 

Who's going to trust someone who notoriously just makes stuff up on the fly?

Will come down with a case of bone spurs (as will his other useless sons).

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Jon the Hat

Jon the Hat

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9 hours ago, st albans fox said:

I assume that this only happens in very particular circumstances 

Circumstances which someone who is minded to can create for themselves, or lie about.

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