General News Thread

[leicsmac]

31 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

Thing I like about Rubio is he has a much better idea on immigration.

 

yes he’s a build the wall kind of guy and I am too- a country should be able to protect their borders however they want to, but he wants to expand yet simplify and expedite the asylum process. He wants to give people a reason to come in legally. Also, he’s all for those who came over say 10 years ago, never put a foot wrong, contributing their taxes, ect staying. In short, an amnesty in place for those already  here.think he’s the only one in the ‘ power circle’ advocating that. You won’t hear him repeat it too much whilst Trump is his boss, but when it’s him and Vance on the debate stage trying to replace trump, it will all come out again.

I wonder what his other policy stances are?

[ramboacdc]

2 hours ago, Rubbersoul said:

Seeing all the stuff in the media about the 9/11 anniversary. Can’t believe it’s been 25 years and still struggle to believe it happened. 

 

50 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Definately one of those "I remember where I was" moments in history (Princess Di death being the other for me)

 

I'm still facinated watching all the 9/11 documentaries. The world changed forever that unforgetable day.  

 

 

I didn't see it live as I stayed late at school, but I have had times I have gone into a bit of a deep dive. There are things like this all over YouTube that are interesting and shows how the news changed. I don't know if it's this one, but there was one where you have a woman call into the news desk and say "replay that footage you just played and slow it down, it looks like a plane hit the tower" and they do and then that was when the news started to realise this wasn't a fire or bomb but one of, if not the most, elaboratly planned attacks in modern history. 
 

 

 

[AKCJ]

1 hour ago, Izzy said:

Definately one of those "I remember where I was" moments in history (Princess Di death being the other for me)

 

I'm still facinated watching all the 9/11 documentaries. The world changed forever that unforgetable day.  

 

We had a tiny box tv in the kitchen at the time and I vividly remember watching it on the news as I ate tea. I thought it was cool because I was an 8 year old and had no real sense that there were thousands of people dying. Remember scoffing my tea and running to tell my mates about it at the park.

 

As others have said, I am fascinated by it all. Watched all the documentaries and films.

 

[Jimothy]

1 hour ago, Izzy said:

He's absolutely desperate. 

 

Only 863 days to go...

 

 

If he lives that long.

[Foxdiamond]

3 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

We had a tiny box tv in the kitchen at the time and I vividly remember watching it on the news as I ate tea. I thought it was cool because I was an 8 year old and had no real sense that there were thousands of people dying. Remember scoffing my tea and running to tell my mates about it at the park.

 

As others have said, I am fascinated by it all. Watched all the documentaries and films.

 

I was at work and a chap came back from lunch and said an aeroplane has flown into the World Trade Center. I said what a light aircraft? He said no a big airliner. As the afternoon went on someone looking at BBC News said the towers have now collapsed. It was surreal but awful. I got home and my wife and daughter who was preparing to go to university had been transfixed by the tv news. A friend had rung my daughter to say turn on the telly something bad is happening in New York. A few days later on a train they announced a minutes silence and the whole packed train was completely still.

[Izzy]

1 minute ago, Jimothy said:

If he lives that long.

Good point. Hopefully the next attempt is a better aim.

[Foxdiamond]

1 hour ago, Izzy said:

Definately one of those "I remember where I was" moments in history (Princess Di death being the other for me)

 

I'm still facinated watching all the 9/11 documentaries. The world changed forever that unforgetable day.  

 

Yeah those I remember moments are etched on the mind. As well as Diana and 9/11 the others for me as a kid I remember JFK, RFK and the Aberfan disaster. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

4 hours ago, Stuntman_Mike said:

I wonder how many people who are fine with Trump's plan to buy votes for $5k would be ok with it if it was his opposition. Crazy world.

 

 

Surely it's bribery? I'm completely shocked that the US constitution allows this, even in the way it's worded.

 

I'd be tempted to vote him back in, then when the dividend doesn't materialise (as surely it can't) millions of Americans sue him for billions.

 

[purpleronnie]

[Noahfence]

13 minutes ago, purpleronnie said:

Maybe she hates her wife? 

[leicsmac]

19 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Surely it's bribery? I'm completely shocked that the US constitution allows this, even in the way it's worded.

 

I'd be tempted to vote him back in, then when the dividend doesn't materialise (as surely it can't) millions of Americans sue him for billions.

 

Of course it's illicit.

 

The problem is, as it has been for some time, gaining enough traction and support among the corruption to actually gain a meaningful conviction. 

 

It's patently obvious that the man has committed a list of felonies that measures into the lightyear range. It's also patently obvious that there are a great many people with varying degrees of power who will do their utmost to stop him seeing any kind of justice for those many crimes, because they know he facilitates the direct persecution of people they get off on hurting and oppressing. 

 

It's proving quite difficult to make progress against that inertia of bigotry. 

Edited 10 September by leicsmac

[Free Falling Foxes]

1 hour ago, purpleronnie said:

One for the Birds I Fancy thread?

 

 

 

Edited 10 September by Free Falling Foxes

[CrazyKopCorner]

22 minutes ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

One for the Birds I Fancy thread?

 

 

 

Gerrerinit ! 

[Blarmy]

5 hours ago, Izzy said:

Good point. Hopefully the next attempt is a better aim.

And is actually a real attempt. 

[davieG]

2 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Of course it's illicit.

 

The problem is, as it has been for some time, gaining enough traction and support among the corruption to actually gain a meaningful conviction. 

 

It's patently obvious that the man has committed a list of felonies that measures into the lightyear range. It's also patently obvious that there are a great many people with varying degrees of power who will do their utmost to stop him seeing any kind of justice for those many crimes, because they know he facilitates the direct persecution of people they get off on hurting and oppressing. 

 

It's proving quite difficult to make progress against that inertia of bigotry. 

He'd never pay up anyway, he'd fins a way to wriggle out of it. Probably offer them a free Trump Phone instead 

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, davieG said:

He'd never pay up anyway, he'd fins a way to wriggle out of it. Probably offer them a free Trump Phone instead 

Yeah, that kind of thing is exactly what I mean. 

 

Which is why making sure that man does, at some point, face very public and very comprehensive justice, is going to be bloody difficult, but also absolutely necessary. 

[The Bear]

Justice would be any asset under his name frozen and used to pay off all those people he conned back in the day. And him going to jail and getting dry-bummed every night by the biggest Mexican dude in there, until he eventually hangs himself. 

 

Though maybe I'm just being a bit harsh 

[Free Falling Foxes]

Drones recreate the twin towers

 

 

And the man responsible.........

 

 

 

[Parafox]

6 hours ago, Jimothy said:

If he lives that long.

He will. He's a zombie that will live forever.

[Trav Le Bleu]

4 hours ago, purpleronnie said:

To be fair, should could be anti-lgbtq+.

 

She could be just L. Screw the Trannies!

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 minute ago, Parafox said:

He will. He's a zombie that will live forever.

Aim for the head.

[Parafox]

7 hours ago, AKCJ said:

We had a tiny box tv in the kitchen at the time and I vividly remember watching it on the news as I ate tea. I thought it was cool because I was an 8 year old and had no real sense that there were thousands of people dying. Remember scoffing my tea and running to tell my mates about it at the park.

 

As others have said, I am fascinated by it all. Watched all the documentaries and films.

 

Same. And I've looked at the conspiracy theory ones as well.

 

The conspiracy that it was the USA that collaborated or instigated the attack was for their own gains to then wage war against their perceived enemies is illogical and unfounded in truth yet so many believe it as a fact. 

 

But wage war they did, and still do.

[bovril]

7 hours ago, ramboacdc said:

 

 

I didn't see it live as I stayed late at school, but I have had times I have gone into a bit of a deep dive. There are things like this all over YouTube that are interesting and shows how the news changed. I don't know if it's this one, but there was one where you have a woman call into the news desk and say "replay that footage you just played and slow it down, it looks like a plane hit the tower" and they do and then that was when the news started to realise this wasn't a fire or bomb but one of, if not the most, elaboratly planned attacks in modern history. 
 

 

 

I still think it's the biggest event of our lifetime and will remain so. I remember my Dad bringing me back from NYC a book about the twin towers with loads of photos in it and 8 year old me was blown away by the size of the buildings. It scared me a little bit. The force unleashed by a 767 crashing into those buildings at 500mph, the sounds and the sights, is unfathomable. It must have felt like the apocalypse. I've seen and read about more nasty stuff on the internet than I should have done but I still look away when I see a video of flight 175 about to hit the south tower. 

 

I was 16 so it was a somewhat auspicious time in my life anyway but it feels like a real inflection point now. The death of liberal optimism. We'd built a nice little gated community for ourselves in the west and 9/11 was the day the walls came crashing in. Sure 2008, 2016 and 2020 contributed too, but this was the most visceral and instant marking of the end of the 'end of history'. And it's debatable if we get 2016 without 9/11, the war on terror and all the ruptures that created. 

 

I have over the years got a little bit obssessed with it, maybe because of the age I was when it happened or what we've lost since then. I've read a lot about it. One thing that often gets me is the photos of the departed - they're almost always on 35mm film cameras. Is that the last major event where that was the case? Seems maybe like a weird and slightly silly thing to point out but for me that makes it feel even more like the end of an era.

 

I know it's a bit cringey now to be nostalgic about the 90s but I don't think a lot of people realise how good we had it. Sure not everything economically and socially was great, often it was quite shit. but there was a definite feel that things would get better, that technology would liberate us, that we'd be able to travel and live where we wanted, that free trade and open borders would lead to more peaceful coexistance not less. A kind of United Colours of Benetton view of the future which seems very cringey and unbelievably naive now but that kind of optimism did, in my opinion, exist to some extent. 9/11 didn't kill it alone, but it woke us up from a very long and very pleasant dream. 

Edited 10 September by bovril

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, bovril said:

I still think it's the biggest event of our lifetime and will remain so. I remember my Dad bringing me back from NYC a book about the twin towers with loads of photos in it and 8 year old me was blown away by the size of the buildings. It scared me a little bit. The force unleashed by a 767 crashing into those buildings at 500mph, the sounds and the sights, is unfathomable. It must have felt like the apocalypse. I've seen and read about more nasty stuff on the internet than I should have done but I still look away when I see a video of flight 175 about to hit the south tower. 

 

I was 16 so it was a somewhat auspicious time in my life anyway but it feels like a real inflection point now. The death of liberal optimism. We'd built a nice little gated community for ourselves in the west and 9/11 was the day the walls came crashing in. Sure 2008, 2016 and 2020 contributed too, but this was the most visceral and instant marking of the end of the 'end of history'. And it's debatable if we get 2016 without 9/11, the war on terror and all the ruptures that created. 

 

I have over the years got a little bit obssessed with it, maybe because of the age I was when it happened or what we've lost since then. I've read a lot about it. One thing that often gets me is the photos of the departed - they're almost always on 35mm film cameras. Is that the last major event where that was the case? Seems maybe like a weird and slightly silly thing to point out but for me that makes it feel even more like the end of an era.

 

I know it's a bit cringey now to be optimistic about the 90s but I don't think a lot of people realise how good we had it. Sure not everything economically and socially was great, often it was quite shit. but there was a definite feel that things would get better, that technology would liberate us, that we'd be able to travel and live where we wanted, that free trade and open borders would lead to more peaceful coexistance not less. A kind of United Colours of Benetton view of the future which seems very cringey and unbelievably naive now but that kind of optimism did, in my opinion, exist to some extent. 9/11 didn't kill it alone, but it woke us up from a very long and very pleasant dream. 

This is astute, especially coming from someone in a very similar age group to me.

 

The only thing I'll add is that while the events of September 11th and a fair few things thereafter have dealt crippling blows to that idealism you mention, it cannot - must not - be abandoned by those who still think it can happen. Because, IMO, to give up on the ideas you mention here is to give up on the only human future that isn't nasty, brutish and, invariably, short.

 

Do what we can until we really, truly, cannot.

[Thefox81]

I was 19 at the time and not long into full time work. Can remember it filtering through on the radio in the work kitchen. When it became apparent how serious it was we all went next door into my boss' house and we all just watched it on the news. Cant remember anything like leaving work, how long we were watching for. The only thing i remember was the silence between 10 of us watching dumbstruck.