General News Thread

[SystonFox]

Kier Starmers a wa......

 

yep

[Alf Bentley]

15 minutes ago, SystonFox said:

Kier Starmers a wa......

 

yep

 

Have you hit the grog early, just fancied expressing an opinion - or has Keir done something to justify this claim, like being caught live on TV pleasuring himself in the chamber (the parliamentary chamber, not someone else's)? 

[StanSP]

24 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Glad you feel a bit more relaxed mate. It's no way to live and there's enough things to worry about nowadays. It can get quite draining 

 

I've genuinely stopped watching Leicester games just to take out one piece of stress from my life

And then there's me going tomorrow evening after work

 

[Trav Le Bleu]

26 minutes ago, StanSP said:

In other news, it's basically cancel Christmas or stop the flag-shagging in Kent 

 

 

Go into Reform councillors homes and drape flammable materials over their Christmas lights.

[Trav Le Bleu]

26 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

I'm more interested to know how people have the entire mental health record of the suspect.

You're saying this is the actions of a sane person?

[Zear0]

38 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

You're saying this is the actions of a sane person?

No. 

 

But the actions of the mentally ill, extremists or horrible **** can overlap when it comes to extreme violence. Just found it a bit perverted to see many posts just assuming he was a schizophrenic and was more curious if a briefing had confirmed this to explain his actions. 

[Lionator]

17 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

No. 

 

But the actions of the mentally ill, extremists or horrible **** can overlap when it comes to extreme violence. Just found it a bit perverted to see many posts just assuming he was a schizophrenic and was more curious if a briefing had confirmed this to explain his actions. 

Believe there are reports that he was known to MH services and was shouting to the devil, which while presumptuous, isn’t something that somebody with general anxiety disorder does

[Zear0]

10 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Believe there are reports that he was known to MH services and was shouting to the devil, which while presumptuous, isn’t something that somebody with general anxiety disorder does

Reports where? Not exactly in a rush to find out, but I've seen "reports" claiming he'd had a fight with a mate and lost it, that he was shouting Allah Akbar and now shouting to the devil. 

 

So much heresay around these events hard to know what's actually happened. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

Income tax rate up by 2% I keep seeing mentioned, as well as anyone earning over 45k a year being stung additionally as they 'aren't working class people' but those with the broadest shoulders!

[Jattdogg]

6 hours ago, StanSP said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyk1dk7d9do

 

Horrible. 

Seems like some have memory loss from their own brutal historical treatment. Always will  be some in any population/country. The world is truly f'd 

[danny.]

12 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Income tax rate up by 2% I keep seeing mentioned, as well as anyone earning over 45k a year being stung additionally as they 'aren't working class people' but those with the broadest shoulders!

45k really isn’t that much in 2025 with the crazy amount of inflation we’ve had for years. We just get poorer and more hammered every year in the U.K. What a time to be alive.  

[bmt]

23 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Income tax rate up by 2% I keep seeing mentioned, as well as anyone earning over 45k a year being stung additionally as they 'aren't working class people' but those with the broadest shoulders!

Where have you seen this out of interest?

[leicsmac]

9 minutes ago, danny. said:

45k really isn’t that much in 2025 with the crazy amount of inflation we’ve had for years. We just get poorer and more hammered every year in the U.K. What a time to be alive.  

And then those people being hammered are also being gaslit and manipulated into blaming entirely the wrong people for their economic strife. 

[Noahfence]

4 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

 

Some schizophrenics can remain well and lead fully normal lives on medication. Some may have isolated relapses but remain well most of the time. For others, their lives may be diminished to varying degrees either by the illness or by the sedation or other side-effects of medication (though this is improving all the time). Some can recover completely and come off medication without relapse. Others remain chronically unwell but with the severity of the illness limited by medication.

 

About 20-30 years ago, I knew 5 people who all got hospitalised with schizophrenia diagnoses. I still know 2 of them well and know what has become of the other 3:

 

- Man 1: Has suffered 2 further hospitalisations in the last 25 years - one of which involved him being sectioned for several months after some crazy, but non-violent behaviour in public. At one point, he was beaten up by a "sane" person alarmed by his conduct. However, he's remained well on medication apart from those 2 episodes, has worked as a F/T teaching assistant for 20+ years (condition fully declared to employer). He also helps out at a food bank, helps his aging parents, plays & attends football and enjoys a few beers. He's remained single. He's a good and supportive friend.

 

- Man 2: Has remained well, but a bit fragile, on medication since being hospitalised 30+ years ago. He's mostly worked F/T or P/T since then, but gave up work in his late 50s, I'm told. I've not met him for 10 years but he was always a witty, kind and intelligent chap. He's remained single and still lives with his sister, I'm told.

 

- Woman 1: A few years after hospitalisation 25 years ago, she suffered a minor relapse. Otherwise, she has remained well - though again I've not met her in 10 years. By then, her marriage had broken down but she had successfully brought up her son as a single parent. Last I heard, she was still well and had been in paid employment for several years as an advocate for other mental health patients.

 

- Woman 2: Was hospitalised with psychotic/schizophrenic episodes 5 times in the 1990s. On the last occasion, she nearly died and suffered serious injuries after running in front of a car - doubtless due to deluded thoughts (psychosis). It is much more common for schizophrenics to be a danger to themselves than to others. For 25+ years, she has remained well on medication, with no further episodes. She thinks she may have grown out of schizophrenia (this sometimes happens in middle-age) but has only reduced her medication, not stopped it for fear of being wrong. Due to her injuries, she was unable to return to F/T work, but has worked P/T for the past 25 years, while successfully raising her daughter with her partner, though their marriage broke down.

 

- Woman 3 (sister of the above): Returned to work and independent living after 3 months in hospital in 1996. For the next 20 years, she spent periods lasting years perfectly well, working and living independently. She moved to other areas/jobs, got married, then divorced. But she suffered at least 3 relapses leading to hospitalisation. On the last occasion, she was sectioned for 6 months, as a danger to herself, was then discharged with inadequate support and remained chronically unwell and unable to lead any sort of worthwhile life for 10 years - but with her illness controlled by monthly injections. Family recently arranged for her to move to residential care, where she seems to be improving - still having deluded thoughts/voices at times, but increasingly fine a lot of the time, with still some prospect of leading an independent life again at some point in the medium-term.

 

I suspect that the cross-section of schizophrenics I've known have fared somewhat better than the norm. But it does show how, to varying degrees, many schizophrenics can lead happy and productive lives. However, I've heard second-hand of quite a few other people ending up in the life-limiting circumstances of Woman 3. I'm sure stats exist somewhere analysing outcomes for schizophrenics.

Appreciate the response! It’s something that I’ve never really read up about apart from what I know at a surface level. 
 

I remember reading about when the only symptom some people get is hearing noises. Nothing scary or “demonic” like that you hear in movies & tv shows but almost musical sounds. Whether that’s true or not I don’t know! 

[izzymuzzet]

3 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

You're saying this is the actions of a sane person?

Understandably we struggle to comprehend the motivations of people committing horrific acts if we can't categorise them as either insane or politically motivated, but the reality is violent acts can happen for reasons that aren't easily understood. These acts even have their own acronym - MUU (mixed, unclear or unstable). They constitute the majority of recent referrals to Prevent.

 

Both Rudakubana and Nicholas Prosper (teenager who shot his mum and siblings last year and was then stopped before he could get to his old primary school) fit into this category - they became obsessed with violence and ultimately acted on this obsession, but were otherwise found sound of mind (hence why they were both tried and are now in prison). Where as the Nottingham murderer had a long history of mental health problems. 

[FoxesTez]

9 minutes ago, izzymuzzet said:

Understandably we struggle to comprehend the motivations of people committing horrific acts if we can't categorise them as either insane or politically motivated, but the reality is violent acts can happen for reasons that aren't easily understood. These acts even have their own acronym - MUU (mixed, unclear or unstable). They constitute the majority of recent referrals to Prevent.

 

Both Rudakubana and Nicholas Prosper (teenager who shot his mum and siblings last year and was then stopped before he could get to his old primary school) fit into this category - they became obsessed with violence and ultimately acted on this obsession, but were otherwise found sound of mind (hence why they were both tried and are now in prison). Where as the Nottingham murderer had a long history of mental health problems. 

His case was recently on 24 Hours in Police Custody on Channel 4. Very chilling but worth a watch if you haven’t done so already. 

[Thefox81]

7 minutes ago, FoxesTez said:

His case was recently on 24 Hours in Police Custody on Channel 4. Very chilling but worth a watch if you haven’t done so already. 

Ive seen that. Sent a shiver down my spine with how calm and collected he was.

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, danny. said:

45k really isn’t that much in 2025 with the crazy amount of inflation we’ve had for years. We just get poorer and more hammered every year in the U.K. What a time to be alive.  

Fvcking well would be to me.

[Leicester_Loyal]

1 hour ago, bmt said:

Where have you seen this out of interest?

Just various news outlets, social media etc. Past few days. None of us will know until the actual budget, I can see it being the case though personally.

[Leicester_Loyal]

1 hour ago, danny. said:

45k really isn’t that much in 2025 with the crazy amount of inflation we’ve had for years. We just get poorer and more hammered every year in the U.K. What a time to be alive.  

All depends where you live as well though, still a decent amount in Leic, but nothing in London, and a lot up North.

[StanSP]

20 minutes ago, FoxesTez said:

His case was recently on 24 Hours in Police Custody on Channel 4. Very chilling but worth a watch if you haven’t done so already. 

Watched it too. His behaviour afterwards, as he's captured by police, is very chilling and scary. Almost unhinged but in the calmest way possible. 

[izzymuzzet]

32 minutes ago, FoxesTez said:

His case was recently on 24 Hours in Police Custody on Channel 4. Very chilling but worth a watch if you haven’t done so already. 

Haven’t watched it but reading about that case it seems it was pure chance that his Mum disrupted his preparations. He clearly intended to commit a mass atrocity. 

[st albans fox]

BBC in trouble again. 
 

not very clever 

[Trav Le Bleu]

2 hours ago, danny. said:

45k really isn’t that much in 2025 with the crazy amount of inflation we’ve had for years. We just get poorer and more hammered every year in the U.K. What a time to be alive.  

Oh how the other half live.

[st albans fox]

3 hours ago, bmt said:

Where have you seen this out of interest?

3 weeks before the budget be they’re leaking stuff 

usually it’s to see how negative the responses are so they can ditch those 

 

also, by leaking a fair few scenarios which aren’t good for a lot of people, what they actually announce seems reasonable.  
Adding 2p onto income tax and reducing NI by 2% is neutral to working people but hits pensioners earning over the tax threshold. Generally affecting those drawing a private or value added state pension. (Like retired policemen, doctors, teachers)