General News Thread

[Md9]

2 hours ago, fox_favourite said:

Did Trump call it a military operation?! 

 

Now where have we heard something similar....

 

Trump: we have obliterated everything in Iran. Ships, army and missile storage.

 

Everyone else: hmmmm

 

Trump: we need you to clear the way for ships and help us.

 

NATO countries: errrr, no. This is a you issue. 

 

Trump: we don't need NATO never have. 

 

Putin: Hello Trump, I can't be helped notice your ',allies' have abandoned you, want to talk about it?! 

Stupid c*** caused all of this and now moaning that no one wants to get involved. America needs to grow some balls and get rid of him before he does something that can not be undone. God knows what he has on the idiots that blindly follow him and say he is right and smart considering how thick as pig shite he is . 

[Md9]

3 hours ago, filbertway said:

I find it mad that people in these positions throw around childish insults that you'd heard in a play ground. These should be eloquent, intelligent people.

 

He was going on about gavin newsom not being qualified to be president because he has learning difficulties and everything about him is dumb. He says this with a straight face like he isn’t the thickest tw@ on the planet 

[fox_favourite]

11 minutes ago, Md9 said:

Stupid c*** caused all of this and now moaning that no one wants to get involved. America needs to grow some balls and get rid of him before he does something that can not be undone. God knows what he has on the idiots that blindly follow him and say he is right and smart considering how thick as pig shite he is . 

I have a feeling he already has, sadly 

Edited 17 March by fox_favourite

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 hour ago, fox_favourite said:

I have a feeling he already has, sadly 

 

[st albans fox]

Have we reached the point where we’ve acted outside of our national interest by alienating the country that we actually need to protect Western Europe from attack.  And if we don’t need the Americans then what was all the arse licking and posturing about for the past year ? 

 

is Zelenskyy doing enough on drone assistance to keep trump onside because I fear the lack of assistance from Europe for trump could mean he turns around and says that he cba re Ukraine ?

[fox_favourite]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Have we reached the point where we’ve acted outside of our national interest by alienating the country that we actually need to protect Western Europe from attack.  And if we don’t need the Americans then what was all the arse licking and posturing about for the past year ? 

 

is Zelenskyy doing enough on drone assistance to keep trump onside because I fear the lack of assistance from Europe for trump could mean he turns around and says that he cba re Ukraine ?

What is enough for Trump? Would you follow someone into a dead end war that looks like it wasn't that well thought out or planned? And more importantly, a legal one? 

 

America is led by an erratic man, that you have no idea where you stand at any point, that isn't helping relations. 

 

Do we need America? Yes of course we do, but we need one that is led by someone who is more stable and not one that threatens to invade NATO territory, tariffs etc...world leaders don't know if they're coming or going and that's the issue.

[Jon the Hat]

I am very glad to see EU / Nato leaders standing up to Trump.  He has shown that nothing is ever enough, and they have learned. 

[MPH]

21 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

I am very glad to see EU / Nato leaders standing up to Trump.  He has shown that nothing is ever enough, and they have learned. 

 

he’s probably not even considered how large the Muslim population is in Europe and the potential backlash that could come involvement…. There’s been isolated attacks in the United States on innocent people and I can only imagine what that would mean to the UK..

 

 

 

[RobHawk]

It's pretty clear that behind the scenes the grown ups are still cracking on and working with the US on what we can and will do.

 

Trumps mad rambling about the UK really should be taken with a pinch of salt. Guys lost his absolute mind, after all the shit he gave Biden and he's ten times worse. 

[leicsmac]

5 hours ago, MPH said:

 

he’s probably not even considered how large the Muslim population is in Europe and the potential backlash that could come involvement…. There’s been isolated attacks in the United States on innocent people and I can only imagine what that would mean to the UK..

 

 

 

Speaking personally, I would hope that it is more than just the Muslim population in Europe that would consider getting involved in this highly unethical and incredibly sordid bit of realpolitik as unacceptable, and make their feelings clear accordingly. 

[leicsmac]

8 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Have we reached the point where we’ve acted outside of our national interest by alienating the country that we actually need to protect Western Europe from attack.  And if we don’t need the Americans then what was all the arse licking and posturing about for the past year ? 

 

is Zelenskyy doing enough on drone assistance to keep trump onside because I fear the lack of assistance from Europe for trump could mean he turns around and says that he cba re Ukraine ?

If the "national interest" and "protecting Europe from attack" means accepting and aligning with the values of the US that Trump and his backers embody, then the "national interest" is hopelessly corrupt and Europe doesn't deserve any kind of protection. 

 

Thankfully, most European leaders appear to understand this right now.

[Sampson]

8 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Have we reached the point where we’ve acted outside of our national interest by alienating the country that we actually need to protect Western Europe from attack.  And if we don’t need the Americans then what was all the arse licking and posturing about for the past year ? 

 

is Zelenskyy doing enough on drone assistance to keep trump onside because I fear the lack of assistance from Europe for trump could mean he turns around and says that he cba re Ukraine ?

How is Britain and Europe alienating America? And not the other way round? I’m sorry but all your posts just come across as so stuck in your camp you can’t see what’s in front of you. How many times do we have to keep say the obvious that’s right in front of all our faces that some people still cannot see yet - Trump is on the side of Russia and Putin, not our side. He won’t protect us from attack. 

 

JD Vance has spent 18 months literally saying he hates Europe over and over again. 

 

The US told us they wanted Europe to increase spending and take over more of the back up to help Ukraine (fine), they then try to cut a deal with Russia which would make Europe have to pay to rebuild Ukraine while not being allowed military presence there  (which obviously contradicts this - how do you expect us to rebuild our military by crippling us both economically and err… militarily?) but America and Russia get to cut off all the profits of minerals between them (hmmm).

 

He’s literally spent months saying he wants to invade Danish territory and said we had no men who fought on the front lines in Afghanistan. 
 

Then when asked if NATO still stood and if he’d go to war if Estonia was invaded, which should be the easiest question in the world - (as NATO works if the Russians believe it will work, so it doesn’t actually mean he will, but the illusion of saying it will costs nothing and is very effective) - every other US president in history would’ve said “we are unequivocally committed to NATO” but Trump basically unmed and erred in a way that strongly indicated “no”.
 

NATO is already dead as far as the US is concerned and how is it in British interest to pretend the US will come to Europe’s aid when they have spent 18 months saying they won’t and actually want to attack us in Greenland? 

 

America has alienated itself from Europe, not the other way round. I’m sorry but how far with your head in the sand do you have to be to try and put this one on Britain or Europe by this point and still blindly think the US is a reliable ally.

 

 

Edited 18 March by Sampson

[Zear0]

8 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Have we reached the point where we’ve acted outside of our national interest by alienating the country that we actually need to protect Western Europe from attack.  And if we don’t need the Americans then what was all the arse licking and posturing about for the past year ? 

 

is Zelenskyy doing enough on drone assistance to keep trump onside because I fear the lack of assistance from Europe for trump could mean he turns around and says that he cba re Ukraine ?

I’m curious given your previous support for the Gaza “operation” how you rationalise continually attacking these countries as being to the benefit of Western security.?
 

The top US counter terrorism official has resigned as US intelligence found “No threat” was posed by Iran and this was simply done to appease the Israeli lobby’

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg4g66r3z40o
 

It is the complete opposite to our security interests to be continually bombing these Muslim states being undertaken by ideologues in Israel and the US.

 

Point I’m making here is that we were overly reliant on the US and that has completely ended. We all know Trump wouldn’t send forces to defend Europe if they were attack. They are more of a threat to Europe than China is, and even Russia whilst they’re in Ukraine. European security needs to be guarded by Europeans and by not creating more enemies through unjustifiable wars. 

[Jon the Hat]

1 hour ago, RobHawk said:

It's pretty clear that behind the scenes the grown ups are still cracking on and working with the US on what we can and will do.

 

Trumps mad rambling about the UK really should be taken with a pinch of salt. Guys lost his absolute mind, after all the shit he gave Biden and he's ten times worse. 

I don't think he is as far down the slope to dementia, just he is a maniac.  Mind you Biden wasn't allowed to talk for hours like Trump is.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

22 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

I don't think he is as far down the slope to dementia, just he is a maniac.  Mind you Biden wasn't allowed to talk for hours like Trump is.

Not yet, but by the end of his term he's going to be totally incoherent at times.

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 hour ago, Sampson said:

NATO is already dead as far as the US is concerned and how is it in British interest to pretend the US will come to Europe’s aid when they have spent 18 months saying they won’t and actually want to attack us in Greenland? 

I'd say NATO is dead as far as Trump and his lackeys are concerned, but they by no means speak for the entire USA and are increasingly alienating themselves from their own nation, nevermind Europe.

 

This is where I can't understand the soldier mentality. Surely there must be soldiers who wouldn't want to invade an ally (if Greenland takeover should actually happen) or who are questioning the present situation. 

[Sampson]

9 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

I'd say NATO is dead as far as Trump and his lackeys are concerned, but they by no means speak for the entire USA and are increasingly alienating themselves from their own nation, nevermind Europe.

 

This is where I can't understand the soldier mentality. Surely there must be soldiers who wouldn't want to invade an ally (if Greenland takeover should actually happen) or who are questioning the present situation. 

But that’s irrelevant when the rest of the nation aren’t standing up against it and the checks and balances aren’t working. The president shouldn’t have the power to start a war, but he just did - where are congress? the judges? Where are the other Republicans or the protestors? Nowhere. Leaders and regimes don’t need to speak for the majority of people if the instutions designed to stop them being too powerful don’t do anything about them taking over the courts, the legal system, the media and the education systems. Soldiers are trained to do what’s told of them, they’ll have no qualms invading Greenland. 

Edited 18 March by Sampson

[Aleksz]

Obviously no war is a great thing or enjoyable, but a war in this digital era is absolutely unbearable. 
 

Social media timelines are full of misinformation, click bait, AI written long reads, AI videos. Absolute binfire of a world we live in. 

[leicsmac]

7 minutes ago, Aleksz said:

Obviously no war is a great thing or enjoyable, but a war in this digital era is absolutely unbearable. 
 

Social media timelines are full of misinformation, click bait, AI written long reads, AI videos. Absolute binfire of a world we live in. 

Yep. 

 

Though I think there is, finally, enough pushback across all demographics regarding such AI slop that at the very least it will become much less influential because enough people simply will see it for the lie it is, and at most there will end up being limitations on AI content with platform regulation. 

 

The big tech bros and people like Trump who want to peddle such for their own ends (misinformation is one of the keys to his success after all) can push it as they like, there finally may actually be enough consumer or otherwise power against it. 

[foxes1988]

10 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Have we reached the point where we’ve acted outside of our national interest by alienating the country that we actually need to protect Western Europe from attack.  And if we don’t need the Americans then what was all the arse licking and posturing about for the past year ? 

I don't believe so no it's not as black and white as that.  Multiple things can be true at the same time.  We need the US and also Europe isn't going to collapse to Russia either.

 

Can't just follow blindly what Trump want's for what? He might help, if the US can make a load of money from it but it wouldn't be certain even if we helped him in Iran.

 

10 hours ago, st albans fox said:

is Zelenskyy doing enough on drone assistance to keep trump onside because I fear the lack of assistance from Europe for trump could mean he turns around and says that he cba re Ukraine ?

He has said he cba re Ukraine already. Theyve took away majority of the assistance to Ukraine.  European nations are the ones that stepped in to plug up the gap the US left supporting Ukraine. The major problem would be US withholding intelligence and information from Ukraine.

[Jattdogg]

He wants the honour of taking cuba now too.

 

Mine, mine, mine, me, me, me.

 

Mad little childish cvnt.

[Trav Le Bleu]

18 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

He wants the honour of taking cuba now too.

 

Mine, mine, mine, me, me, me.

 

Mad little childish cvnt.

You're next

 

I'll raise again the soldier thing. Must be plenty of US troops who have friends and family in Canada.

 

Surely not all soldiers are robots?

[leicsmac]

Just now, Trav Le Bleu said:

You're next

 

I'll raise again the soldier thing. Must be plenty of US troops who have friends and family in Canada.

 

Surely not all soldiers are robots?

From what I can tell, enlisted soldiers in the US do have training on legal and illegal orders and what the procedure is when you're given a directly illegal order to follow. 

 

Of course, that order tends to come from a direct superior officer and not the commander in chief, so I'm not sure whether that part is on the curriculum. 

 

(On topic, I remember a back and forth with a former user of this site where they said a soldier shouldn't refuse an order to launch a nuclear weapon from the sitting US President, even if the order was blatantly unnecessary and coming from a position of ego rather than defending the nation. Personally, I think that's taking following orders too far.)

[MPH]

3 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Speaking personally, I would hope that it is more than just the Muslim population in Europe that would consider getting involved in this highly unethical and incredibly sordid bit of realpolitik as unacceptable, and make their feelings clear accordingly. 

well I meant more in targeted attacks that have resulted in the loss of life. Usually done under the banner of Jihad, I believe. But yes, I’m sure there would be mass protests and rallies.

[leicsmac]

9 minutes ago, MPH said:

well I meant more in targeted attacks that have resulted in the loss of life. Usually done under the banner of Jihad, I believe. But yes, I’m sure there would be mass protests and rallies.

Right, and those protests and rallies (as opposed to the more violent direct action) would be justified, yes?

 

I'm making this point because I'm pretty sure preventing terror attacks is not the only or even anywhere near the biggest reason to get involved with this piece of Trump-driven bloodthirsty foolhardiness. 

Edited 18 March by leicsmac