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leicsmac

leicsmac

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47 minutes ago, Sly said:

 

 

38 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

What a wonderful diplomatic answer. What a dangerous buffoon 

... is anyone particularly surprised?

 

If so, they shouldn't be. 

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Lionator

Lionator

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1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

Also, it's somewhat going unnoticed that the US is engaging in a de facto act of war with Cuba by means of the current blockade there. 

They still parrot “this is what happens when you’re a socialist country” while blockading any energy resources that could get there. 

Zear0

Zear0

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8 minutes ago, Lionator said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce9mz0gl8z7o
 

Absolutely incredible footage. I would feel bad for him but he works for RT so he deserves every bit of pain that he gets for being a traitor. 

Ah Steve Sweeney, the bellend working for the Russian state claiming Britain is governed by a repressive regime. Thankfully it was just an injury he sustained (both meanings appropriate).

MaidstoneFox

MaidstoneFox

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27 minutes ago, Lionator said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ce9mz0gl8z7o
 

Absolutely incredible footage. I would feel bad for him but he works for RT so he deserves every bit of pain that he gets for being a traitor. 

He should be wearing a press helmet if he's reporting that close to a conflict zone. Lyse Doucet shows how he should be kitted out.

 

Dramatic moment BBC foreign correspondent Lyse Doucet flees live broadcast in Israel during suspected rocket attack | Daily Mail Online

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Clogger_

Clogger_

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5 hours ago, MPH said:


 

Possibly a bit naive of you to look at it so simply.

 

it’s not like the brexiteers used a whole lot of honest campaigning to secure brexit previously so I wouldn’t expect a whole lot of honest campaigning should it come round again.

Hard to ignore the lived experience 

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bmt

bmt

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5 hours ago, danny. said:

You're spot on that leaders often have some dirt on them, although scamming people isn't a great look for any political leader. I'd suggest if someone has that in their past they are unfit to be a leader, let alone PM. Not that that stops us in this country and we elect all kinds of idiots wholly unsuited for leading a country (Johnson/Truss etc). I just can't take the guy seriously, not sure you would either if he was in another party.

We're so far out from an election that the polls are kind of meaningless still, for a while it looked like Reform were nailed on for 400 seats and now they look like fizzling out into something representing way less seats.

Who knows on a national level? We will have to wait and see, we only have one by-election so far in this political cycle, and there demonstratively was in Gorton and Denton.

Sorry for ignoring the rest of your message, I was out and on my phone, but I'll respond now:

- Re: economics, I took particular issue with this broadcast - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxt4HCjd7VA where he claimed some people go to sleep and while they are asleep they earn more "than an entire neighbourhood earns in a year". Assume on the very low end a neighbourhood is 500 houses, and assume that only one person in each house works, and they earn £30k a year (less than the national average), that's £15m a year. If someone earns that every night they are earning ~£5.5bn a year, say they have a 10% return rate that means they have ~£55bn of assets. There isn't a single person the UK with those assets. And even if there was they wouldn't be earning money for sleeping, they would have a large business employing thousands. It's just made up nonsense to demonise billionaires. If he wanted to make a point using some real figures would have been far more convincing, but it just comes across as economically illiterate.

 

Let me also say, I HATE the idea of billionaires, it's obscene people having that money while others can't afford food or heat, obscene. But demonising them and trying to tax them even more will just result in them leaving, we know this because there are lots of examples in other countries of wealth taxes and rich people just leave, they already are leaving the UK in droves. And then people say "let them go" well, we can't afford that because they pay all the tax. Most people in the UK do not contribute - the government spends £17k/person/year, so on average anyone paying less tax than that (ie earning less than £75k/year salary) is a tax burden not contributor. If only one person in a family of 4 earns that need they need to be paying £68k/year (~£180k/year salary) in tax. Obviously I have left off things like VAT and fuel duty etc. so reduce those numbers to compensate, but the point stands. Whether we like it or not we NEED the wealthy in this country because they pay the majority of the tax.

- I don't have a massive opinion on drugs other than they ruin lives and supplying drugs to addicts is not a cheap exercise - who pays for that?

- If you have an issue paying your rent in London now, wait until everything is owned by the likes of BlackRock, are you expecting them to give you discount? There are lots of brilliant private landlords around that provide a service people need.

 

Hey mate, will come back tomorrow but thanks for a genuinely decent argument!

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MPH

MPH

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2 hours ago, Clogger_ said:

Hard to ignore the lived experience 


 

but we are getting our country back didn’t you know?

 

 

that the spin they’ll use,

CornwallFox

CornwallFox

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21 hours ago, danny. said:

Thought Reform were going down in the polls? They’ve killed themselves off imho by becoming Tories 2.0. Labour need to take a risk to give themselves a shot at staying in government because I can’t see that happening atm without some noted improvement in people’s lives. 

Not sure whether it would help them or hinder them but it would certainly change the dynamic. Would it result in us going back (if we ever left) to a time of deep national awfulness, or would it fix that? If we went back in would any leaver ever accept it, would they be better or worse than remainers in the aftermath? Really don't know what to think even as an ardent remainer. 

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CornwallFox

CornwallFox

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On 19/03/2026 at 08:44, danny. said:

How about the party political broadcast where he imagined up figures about what the boogeymen billionaires earned for going to bed each night. At least there is some rationale as to why you don’t like landlords now.

Sorry to take us back 24 hours but I have a post limit I'd hit. 

 

You said greens or Polanski were offering crazy policies and gave a list. I took one of those examples, the drugs one, and gave some balanced information that could lean against it being crazy, but you haven't taken up the chance to discuss and instead simply moved to something else. This is a very 'now' way to discuss politics. Just ignore anything that disagrees with a point and move to a different point. 

 

On your new point, the reason we are all struggling as ordinary people is that since the 80s the share of GDP going to shareholders and CEOs has grown hugely, and fallen for workers. Workers are able to buy ever less with their wages while the richest have gone from being very very wealthy, c to being richer than entire countries. We're seeing people on course to be trillionaires. And they aren't making that money from work, they're making most of it because they can leverage financial systems and national policies designed to feed wealth. Polanski is absolutely right to want to target mega wealth. 

CornwallFox

CornwallFox

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As much as I don't like him the hoo-ha about Farage making a joke about Welsh speakers on a cameo is absolutely pathetic. It was actually a kinda funny off the cuff remark. I don't think this sort of thing looks good for the left.

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bovril

bovril

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5 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

As much as I don't like him the hoo-ha about Farage making a joke about Welsh speakers on a cameo is absolutely pathetic. It was actually a kinda funny off the cuff remark. I don't think this sort of thing looks good for the left.

I think it's more designed to harm reform's chances in Wales although I imagine they appeal more to English speakers than Welsh speakers there. In general the attitude of the English towards the Welsh language is at best quite condescending and Farage as the quintessential arrogant Englishman probably represents that quite well. 

RobHawk

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52 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

As much as I don't like him the hoo-ha about Farage making a joke about Welsh speakers on a cameo is absolutely pathetic. It was actually a kinda funny off the cuff remark. I don't think this sort of thing looks good for the left.

As someone living in Wales I think it was a stupid thing to say. It may be an off the cuff jokey remark but as someone who wants to stand up and represent the country, it's really not a good look. 

 

Thing to remember as well, there's a lot of history of the Welsh language being surpressed, so it's not as simple as a joke about a language when you take historical context into account. 

 

Long story short, Farage is an idiot, but it probably won't bother those who support him anyway

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CornwallFox

CornwallFox

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12 minutes ago, RobHawk said:

As someone living in Wales I think it was a stupid thing to say. It may be an off the cuff jokey remark but as someone who wants to stand up and represent the country, it's really not a good look. 

 

Thing to remember as well, there's a lot of history of the Welsh language being surprised, so it's not as simple as a joke about a language when you take historical context into account. 

 

Long story short, Farage is an idiot, but it probably won't bother those who support him anyway

Oh absolutely he's an idiot. Tbh I saw the joke as more being about himself and his general views on languages, rather than the language itself but fair enough

Lionator

Lionator

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2 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

As much as I don't like him the hoo-ha about Farage making a joke about Welsh speakers on a cameo is absolutely pathetic. It was actually a kinda funny off the cuff remark. I don't think this sort of thing looks good for the left.

He shouldn’t be doing ‘cameo’s’ as an elected MP, it’s pathetic, disgraceful money grabbing and should be illegal for someone in his position. Just like reform running that ‘Nigel will pay for your bills’ scheme 

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Sampson

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49 minutes ago, Lionator said:

He shouldn’t be doing ‘cameo’s’ as an elected MP, it’s pathetic, disgraceful money grabbing and should be illegal for someone in his position. Just like reform running that ‘Nigel will pay for your bills’ scheme 

Saw that the other day. How is that not just straight up illegal? It’s basically bribing voters.

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danny.

danny.

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3 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

Sorry to take us back 24 hours but I have a post limit I'd hit. 

 

You said greens or Polanski were offering crazy policies and gave a list. I took one of those examples, the drugs one, and gave some balanced information that could lean against it being crazy, but you haven't taken up the chance to discuss and instead simply moved to something else. This is a very 'now' way to discuss politics. Just ignore anything that disagrees with a point and move to a different point. 

 

On your new point, the reason we are all struggling as ordinary people is that since the 80s the share of GDP going to shareholders and CEOs has grown hugely, and fallen for workers. Workers are able to buy ever less with their wages while the richest have gone from being very very wealthy, c to being richer than entire countries. We're seeing people on course to be trillionaires. And they aren't making that money from work, they're making most of it because they can leverage financial systems and national policies designed to feed wealth. Polanski is absolutely right to want to target mega wealth. 

I wasn't meaning to pivot and ignore. It can get a bit heavy on here sometimes, maybe I just missed it on my phone, it wasn't an intentional ignore. I replied at length to bmt above so a reply might well be in there, I can't even remember what you said now TBH.

 

I don't have a strong opinion on drugs other than with Class A drugs (ie not cannabis/tobacco/caffeine ) their use never results in a positive impact on lives or society, and legalising everything and in some cases supplying to addicts isn't going to make anything better IMHO, we will just see more lives ruined and more zombies leeching off the state (which we can't afford already) - just look at the effect of fentanyl in the USA or black mamba here.

 

danny.

danny.

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3 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

As much as I don't like him the hoo-ha about Farage making a joke about Welsh speakers on a cameo is absolutely pathetic. It was actually a kinda funny off the cuff remark. I don't think this sort of thing looks good for the left.

I haven't seen the video and can't find it, but gather this is what he said from articles?

 

"Gutted I couldn't attend the wedding. I wanted to come, but I heard that half the guests were Welsh and, I don't know. Who knows what would have happened with all those foreign speakers there. I don't know."

I don't know what the context and tone was, but just the words are bizarre. Welsh is one of the UK's languages, why would he say it was foreign? At best it was stupid - why would anyone think of saying that? It's not funny and the guy is an MP so you'd think would have some kind of filter on what he's saying in public.

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