Martí Cifuentes

[Bordersfox]

29 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

Wholeheartedly disagree. That isn't a thing this time, especially if we focus on nurturing the youth talent which is the right thing to do. Playoffs would be a good result for us, with a view that as the young players mature and improve they become much more of a force then next 2 seasons,

I rarely disagree with you but I think having seen a fair bit of the championship last season if the new manager comes in and settles top 2 should be very realistic.  

 

Obviously it depends on who goes and who comes in but much of this side, whilst not good enough at a higher level, have already proven they are more than good enough for the championship.  

 

Getting a decent striker will be tricky on a limited budget, which is a concern.  

[HankMarvin]

2 minutes ago, Aleksz said:

Does feel like an Iraola style appointment, sometimes got to look deeper into things than just win percentages and trophy cabinets. 

How does it feel like that? Because of his style of play?

in 2 attempts (seasons) he finished with 6 more points that Ainsworth who finished 20th 

[Scotch]

28 minutes ago, Stadt said:

If we had £20m in from selling Krisitansen for £8m, Faes for £6m and Soumare for £6m or an other combination of want away crap we'd not then stuck with a £10k p/w wage budget for managers. Not that I think Cifuentes is particularly a bad choice but we've hamstrung ourselves because we've not done things in the right order.

 

It sounds simplistic but I just think Top and Rudkin have no idea what 'ok' never mind 'good' looks like at DoF level - we could afford to sign the shot we do if we recouped some of the money we spent on it. We never do.

 

Tom Cannon is the only player we dint want to keep we've sold for more than £5m since Musa in 2018! 7 years of letting players leave for nothing! 7!

 

 

You think we will get £6m for Soumare who is out of contract next summer? 

 

At best, we will get him out on loan until then. 

[Langston]

11 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Gentle reminder to anyone concerned about Cifuentes' career before he joins us. 
This is Andoni Iraola the current Bournemouth manager, who is easily one of the best young coaches in world football right now. The career/record of the manager is obviously an indication of their potential and if they are on an upward trend or downward and should not be ignored, but it's easy to get caught up in the weeds on that. 




 

 

Agreed.. I think a few too many head for the win % on Wikipedia and judge that information with no context..

[Fox seen in Norwich]

17 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

No, I'm implying that just because something is expensive doesn't mean it's good. And vice versa.

Fair comment 

[Finnegan]

4 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Pretty nothing article really. 

Interesting Percy hasn't referenced Bo Svensson being interviewed or spoken to. 

Very little cutting edge or breaking journalism here

 

The importance of Percy to us isn't that he's the first to break news it's that he doesn't open his mouth until he's pretty ****ing sure and whoever his sources are, they're right most of the time. 

 

[Langston]

1 minute ago, Scotch said:

You think we will get £6m for Soumare who is out of contract next summer? 

 

At best, we will get him out on loan until then. 

 

It's not beyond the realms of possibility if a club genuinely wants him.. if they waited until next summer they'd likely get stung paying a higher signing in fee regardless..

[mozartfox]

1 minute ago, Bordersfox said:

I rarely disagree with you but I think having seen a fair bit of the championship last season if the new manager comes in and settles top 2 should be very realistic.  

 

Obviously it depends on who goes and who comes in but much of this side, whilst not good enough at a higher level, have already proven they are more than good enough for the championship.  

 

Getting a decent striker will be tricky on a limited budget, which is a concern.  

They do exist outside of the UK.   Shame our Recruitement Team are unaware of this. They will doubtless find another 30 yoa + option to stock up our Pension Top up quota.

[Aleksz]

3 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

How does it feel like that? Because of his style of play?

in 2 attempts (seasons) he finished with 6 more points that Ainsworth who finished 20th 

Because like I said there is more to football than win percentages, league finishes and trophy cabinets.

 

I meant in the sense Iraola hadn't exactly pulled up trees but Bournemouth found a diamond in the rough. 

 

Enzo had next to no record and absolutely stunk out Parma, yet was an inspired appointment here. 

[Vazman]

2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Can we just get beyond this ‘pay cut’ and ‘paying back his ‘compo’  stuff.

 

the fella will be v unlikely (imo he defo won’t) to earn less here than he was paid there.  The 500k must be a settlement that he’s been paid in advance against his notice period whilst on gardening leave. )

we have to pay that back to qpr as compensation against that settlement.  So we will pay him 500k less in year 1.  Hence his salary in year 1 will be lower than he was earning at qpr. (He can’t demand to be paid twice although he could have insisted and it’s decent that he apparently hasn’t ). There could be variations on a theme on this but it’s going to be something of that ilk.  If there is a comp clause still valid because he’s on gardening leave rather than having actually left their employment then there could be an additional sum involved that we have to pay. 

Sounds reasonable, and logical, until Rudders uses his special calculator and wage formula, 

[teblin]

The thing for me, he seems like he is still on an upward trajectory as a manager. He hasn't really failed anywhere, QPR only had 10 points in November 23 and ended up on 56. Last season they finished 7 points above relegation and 10 off the play offs. 

 

Got a team promoted in Norway and got the stable in the league.

 

Got a  Hammarby to 3rd and the Conf League.

 

Seems to play younger players, used to working on a budget.

 

Wouldn't have been anyones 1st choice, however I for one am willing to give him a chance. He has a bigger CV as a head coach than Rohl, but Rohl worked in big jobs as coach at big clubs. 

[The Year Of The Fox]

Cefri wherever you may be

You eat paella in your own country 

[mozartfox]

12 minutes ago, Libertine said:

Enthusiastic about this guy now with how much potential for pun-filled songs he has. (The only criteria I care about)

 

Fight For Your Right (To Marty)

Marty Rock Anthem

Get The Marty Started

No.1 Marty Anthem

Marty Girl (Come on Marty, let’s go party)

 

Fabulous.

Jamie Vardy is NOT having a Marti Party.

[st albans fox]

9 minutes ago, -sodapop said:

I might have the wrong end of the stick here, but isn't the situation that he was owed money by QPR so long as he wasn't hired by another club - at that point, he would either choose to forego it or have the buying club pay it? 

That is how I understand it.

gardening leave means you’re paid to do nothing but you remain an employee until a specified date.

 

I reckon qpr thought that someone would come for him so decided it was in their interest to keep him in employment so that any comp clause remained valid. (Maybe for six months ??) 

[HankMarvin]

Just now, Aleksz said:

Because like I said there is more to football than win percentages, league finishes and trophy cabinets.

 

I meant in the sense Iraola hadn't exactly pulled up trees but Bournemouth found a diamond in the rough. 

 

Enzo had next to no record and absolutely stunk out Parma, yet was an inspired appointment here. 

A promotion and 2 12th place finishes in the Spanish top flight wouldn’t exactly be going under the radar for most clubs.

At one stage they were 5th and he was front runner for the Leeds Job when they were in the prem.

 

Enzo had been assistant mananger of Pep and we know how valued that was. 

[Stadt]

21 minutes ago, murphy said:

Diabate, Lookman (loan) ....

 

 

Diabate was a complete punt and I did say permanent. We spent serious money on one RW in all that time when it was the most upgrade-able part of the side. I vividly remember we were both against the Perez signing 

[Stadt]

13 minutes ago, Scotch said:

You think we will get £6m for Soumare who is out of contract next summer? 

 

At best, we will get him out on loan until then. 

We won't get that but it's the sort of fee we should.

 

We paid £3m for Coulibaly when he had 6 months left ffs

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, MPH said:

Yes you do

Not according to the EFL regulations you don't. If we wanted to appoint King we could do so because he has the A Licence, which is what you need to manage in the Championship. Fortunately, because that would be mental, we haven't.

[Scotch]

10 minutes ago, Langston said:

 

It's not beyond the realms of possibility if a club genuinely wants him.. if they waited until next summer they'd likely get stung paying a higher signing in fee regardless..

I honestly think you are overestimating how badly clubs will want a player who has been dreadful here and will demand MASSIVE wages when they can essentially ters drive him for a year in loan first. 

[Scotch]

1 minute ago, Stadt said:

We won't get that but it's the sort of fee we should.

 

We paid £3m for Coulibaly when he had 6 months left ffs

Yes but unfortunately there is only one John Rudkin and WE have him. 

 

 

[FoxinNotts]

25 minutes ago, murphy said:

Diabate, Lookman (loan) ....

 

 

Available on a free now apparently! 

Had his best season last season. Still only 29. Could be a little Mali international mate for Coulibaly, help bring him out of his shell 

[Spudulike]

17 minutes ago, Scotch said:

You think we will get £6m for Soumare who is out of contract next summer? 

 

At best, we will get him out on loan until then. 

Should be plenty of Euro clubs that will want him on a cheap loan. Suits all parties. Can't see him playing for us again 

[Scotch]

Just now, Spudulike said:

Should be plenty of Euro clubs that will want him on a cheap loan. Suits all parties. Can't see him playing for us again 

Oh, I 100% believe he'll go out on loan. Like I said, it's a chance to test drive him before committing. 

[dmayne7]

36 minutes ago, murphy said:

No, there's nothing wrong with that approach.  Selling players for profit is the model that worked well for us and Rodgers abandoned. 

 

How many times did we try and fail to find a right winger?  We bought Vestergaard when Fofana was injured.  Not good enough so we bought Faes, not good enough...  Ward to succeed Schmeichel.  Not good enough, had to buy again. 

 

Daka, not good enough, need a new CF. 

 

It's a common theme, the trouble is, we are rarely able to sell the failures

 

That's the point I was making?

 

You buy badly, you get stuck with that player so it's much longer before you can buy a replacement.

 

You buy well, you will inevitable have to sell because a bigger club will splash the cash on them. Meaning you have to buy again to replace them. 

[Aleksz]

5 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

A promotion and 2 12th place finishes in the Spanish top flight wouldn’t exactly be going under the radar for most clubs.

At one stage they were 5th and he was front runner for the Leeds Job when they were in the prem.

 

Enzo had been assistant mananger of Pep and we know how valued that was. 

And Cifuentes has achieved lower key impressive things in Scandinavia.... Alongside arresting QPR's free fall towards relegation in his first season here too? 

 

Also worth noting Iraola was linked with the Leeds job because of his links to and as a disciple of Bielsa - the direction they were going in at the time. 

 

Like I said, my overall point is it isn't all about trying to find who has achieved promotions, won things... sometimes it's about their lower key achievements under budget constraints or turmoil, identity, education which I'm pretty sure what's attracted us to him... Not that "in 2 attempts (seasons) he finished with 6 more points that Ainsworth who finished 20th".