Marti Cifuentes appointed new manager

[danny2997]

To get these bunch of wasters to 4th is pretty good in my eyes. Mentality in this group is awful and isn't something that changes quickly. The quality we have available to us is still vastly overrated also.

[john ridley]

1 hour ago, Sankey93 said:

Unfortunately Marti is a fraud! He has one of the best squads in the division if not the best. There isn’t no style of play or identity to our football either he talks a good game I’ll give him that  

 

What Danny Rohl did at Wednesday was unbelievable, he’s also had experience working under some of the best around but like enzo did. 
 

our results won’t improve with Marti.

The fact weve got the largest wage bill doesnt mean we've got the best squad .Too many think they're better than they are ,also you need heart ,determination ,pride ,guts all of which we lack .

[murphy]

8 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Sorry, but why must I find a precedent for an opinion I hold about a player being reliable in a defensively minded team than in a team where we expect to be less so.

 

Bit weird. Faes being crap and Vestergaard being slow does not automatically mean Nelson is the answer.
 

What if the coaching team see them in training and decide that in this style we play, ie; not leaving players back, Faes, Okoli, Vestergaard, etc are better suited.

 

Anyway, this has now  gone from no consensus to really rather dull!

Thought not,

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, murphy said:

Thought not,

What are you 5?  .
But to satisfy your strange childish need, please see below

 

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I do not believe that Ben Nelson (Leicester u21s) is in the Leicester City first XI for two reasons

1. Ben has not had the tactical familiarity with the way Leicester City typically play, certainly not to the same degree as the current centre backs at the club 
2. The coaching team who do this for a living and see him in training, have decided he should not start ahead of other current central defenders available at Leicester City 

Is that sufficient? I still maintain he will make it here btw

[murphy]

4 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

What are you 5?  .
But to satisfy your strange childish need, please see below

 

Is that sufficient? I still maintain he will make it here btw

Far from sufficient but I will leave it here as i can see that you are one of those that can't have a discussion without toys being ejected from prams. 

 

Have a good evening yourself. 

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, murphy said:

Far from sufficient but I will leave it here as i can see that you are one of those that can't have a discussion without toys being ejected from prams. 

 

Have a good evening yourself. 

Always with the final jibe eh? It is two sets of opinions mate, that’s all. 

[LCFCJohn]

29 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

What are you 5?  .
But to satisfy your strange childish need, please see below

 

Is that sufficient? I still maintain he will make it here btw

I mean, managers and coaching staff aren’t always right. Do we think Amartey was better and more suited than Soyuncu or was it a really odd decision by Rodgers? 
 

And you don’t get tactical familiarity through not playing either. 
 

And whatever the tactics, I’d seriously question how familiar Faes and Vestergaard are given the performances they are turning in week in week out! 
 

I know love a good devils advocate and balanced viewpoint . But there’s more to it than that mate, come on!

 

Personally I can’t see past it being a case of playing the more expensive players, on the biggest wages, simple as. Or Nelson has a shit attitude. Which isn’t something that has ever come up from his managers when out on loan who rave about him. 

[Dahnsouff]

7 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

I mean, managers and coaching staff aren’t always right. Do we think Amartey was better and more suited than Soyuncu or was it a really odd decision by Rodgers? 
 

And you don’t get tactical familiarity through not playing either. 
 

And whatever the tactics, I’d seriously question how familiar Faes and Vestergaard are given the performances they are turning in week in week out! 
 

I know love a good devils advocate and balanced viewpoint . But there’s more to it than that mate, come on!

 

Personally I can’t see past it being a case of playing the more expensive players, on the biggest wages, simple as. Or Nelson has a shit attitude. Which isn’t something that has ever come up from his managers when out on loan who rave about him. 

Oh I do not disagree that managers and staff aren’t always correct, but I also accept I do not see what they see, so acting like I know better is not in my wheelhouse, sorry.

Can easily imagine there is an element of ‘told to play’ certain players to retain value though, or worse, it’s contractually defined.

Do not believe Nelson is bad, just that he is not as good as some suspect at this time and/or he is blocked by progressing here until someone leaves for the reason discussed above.

 

[LCFCJohn]

15 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Oh I do not disagree that managers and staff aren’t always correct, but I also accept I do not see what they see, so acting like I know better is not in my wheelhouse, sorry.

Can easily imagine there is an element of ‘told to play’ certain players to retain value though, or worse, it’s contractually defined.

Do not believe Nelson is bad, just that he is not as good as some suspect at this time and/or he is blocked by progressing here until someone leaves for the reason discussed above.

 

Ultimately, fans care about what they see

on the pitch right? I think this is why more and more are now questioning this ongoing selection as Faes and Vestergaard are stinking the place out. 
 

I also question how Vestergaard can be training better when he has to walk his dog first 

 

I agree with the reason being un-football related, I.e playing certain players or the ones being paid more. 
 

And yeah, Nelson actually doesn’t even need to be ‘good’ to be better than the current incumbents, merely average will do….

[CosbehFox]

He’s making some errors here but I think the fanbase have to be patient. We are going to be woefully inconsistent this season. 
 

The job created by the incompetence of the hierarchy means it’s a serious two year project. The quick fixes lead to a repeat of last season.
 

Keep letting managers go after six months in the role and unable to shape their squad. That allows the likes of Rudkin to keep giving out contracts to do that squad shaping and it’s a recipe for continued failure. New manager comes in and then takes another three months to realise that he’s got toxic players at the club. 
 

I think back to Pearson dealing with the squad post Sven. It took him a couple of go’s at it and he didn’t immediately get rid of Matt Mills et al. In fact Mills was man of the match in a great win at Southampton. Over time he got rid of them. Some stuck around with a change in attitude (St Ledger). 
 

I don’t think there’s a quick fix answer. I don’t think this squad is that much better than the division anymore. A lot of these players have simply got worst at football 

Edited 19 October 2025 by CosbehFox

[JonnyBoy]

11 hours ago, FrankieADZ said:

all due respect what are you expecting?

if we go up under whatever manager we will be in the same position as we was last year, 

the club needs to change and i think MC is trying to do that

 

pretty sure when we was in the champ a few years back some on here was giving Southampton the big 'un when they was on their run, but look back they had loads of draws in that too

think a reality check for some of our fans is needed 

proceeds to play Faes, vestergaard and Thomas every game. 

[Sankey93]

4 hours ago, Chelmofox said:

You are completely delusional if you think we have the best squad in the league. Many predicted we would be bottom half right now.

Who has a better squad than us then ? You could argue Ipswich maybe do. 

[Sankey93]

4 hours ago, john ridley said:

The fact weve got the largest wage bill doesnt mean we've got the best squad .Too many think they're better than they are ,also you need heart ,determination ,pride ,guts all of which we lack .

In all fairness we have actually shown some of that when coming from behind but then again we do have a superior team to most in this division. MC out his depth. 

[dillonpanthers87]

I think the verdict is still out. He's on par, maybe just, but it needs to factor in the trash squad he has - and less about player value/wage bill or even technical ability, but the morons and egos he has to deal with, plus the hangover from last season and the leadership of the club. It could be far, far worse. We appointed him late too. He needs time and backing. For me he's doing a 7/10 job in tricky circumstances where others could easily have done worse. That's not to say he can't do better, but we have to give patience.

[Jimmy]

1 hour ago, dillonpanthers87 said:

I think the verdict is still out. He's on par, maybe just, but it needs to factor in the trash squad he has - and less about player value/wage bill or even technical ability, but the morons and egos he has to deal with, plus the hangover from last season and the leadership of the club. It could be far, far worse. We appointed him late too. He needs time and backing. For me he's doing a 7/10 job in tricky circumstances where others could easily have done worse. That's not to say he can't do better, but we have to give patience.

he talked a good game in pre season about the academy but bar Monga he hasn't followed through, he'd earn a lot more good will if Nelson was playing, if Aluko and Evans were getting minutes off the bench instead of Hamza and BDCR, that's what's annoyed me most with him so far

[Phenom]

7 hours ago, danny2997 said:

To get these bunch of wasters to 4th is pretty good in my eyes. Mentality in this group is awful and isn't something that changes quickly. The quality we have available to us is still vastly overrated also.

Can you name the sides in the division that have more talented squads than ours?

 

Also, can you list the improvements you’ve seen in our performances?

 

I’m not saying we can him yet but if you’re not concerned, you’re not paying attention.

[Fox92]

5 hours ago, Phenom said:

Can you name the sides in the division that have more talented squads than ours?

 

Also, can you list the improvements you’ve seen in our performances?

 

I’m not saying we can him yet but if you’re not concerned, you’re not paying attention.

Course he can’t, nobody can, we have one of the best squads in the division. I think only Ipswich can boast a better squad/more depth.

 

I could accept the squad excuse if we were in the Premier League but we’re playing against worse squads, less resources, pretty much every game and they are still taking points off us. Portsmouth were missing three good players ffs.

 

We haven’t played well for a full game this season. The fact we’re 4th isn’t an achievement, we’ve won 4 games and 2 of those were against promoted teams. 

[funkyrobot]

5 hours ago, Phenom said:

Can you name the sides in the division that have more talented squads than ours?

 

Also, can you list the improvements you’ve seen in our performances?

 

I’m not saying we can him yet but if you’re not concerned, you’re not paying attention.

I think there’s plenty of sides with a better centre forward and a better back up centre forward which is absolutely key to scoring goals. I also think there’s a better left back and better back up left back in lots of teams. After that we aren’t significantly better than the other teams around us. This squad is significantly weaker than Enzo’s from 2 years ago. 

[Stadt]

The talk of a project is fine if there is any hint he’s favouring long term success. Vestergaard and Faes over Nelson and Okoli is the exact opposite.

 

His handbrake football isn’t going to click at some point because we’re just too risk averse. Like Puel and Maresca at his worst he’s overly concerned with control and keeping our shape in possession.

 

We’ve scored two decent goal from a coaching POV all season, James against Wrexham and Ramsey at the weekend.

 

Essentially zero chance of promotion if the strikers in a side NEVER get any chances made.

 

I like him on a personal level but if he dogmatically persists with a system that doesn’t work then he deserves the sack.

[shen]

I'm confused - do we have a talented squad that that a manager should easily put top of this division or do we have a poor squad full of failed players that any manager would struggle to get a tune out of?

 

 

[shen]

3 minutes ago, Stadt said:

The talk of a project is fine if there is any hint he’s favouring long term success. Vestergaard and Faes over Nelson and Okoli is the exact opposite.

 

His handbrake football isn’t going to click at some point because we’re just too risk averse. Like Puel and Maresca at his worst he’s overly concerned with control and keeping our shape in possession.

 

We’ve scored two decent goal from a coaching POV all season, James against Wrexham and Ramsey at the weekend.

 

Essentially zero chance of promotion if the strikers in a side NEVER get any chances made.

 

I like him on a personal level but if he dogmatically persists with a system that doesn’t work then he deserves the sack.

Ricardo v Oxford? Monga vs Sheff Wed? Ricardo vs Brum? Pretty good goals from a tactical point of view as well.

[LiliansLeftPeg]

6 minutes ago, shen said:

I'm confused - do we have a talented squad that that a manager should easily put top of this division or do we have a poor squad full of failed players that any manager would struggle to get a tune out of?

 

 

A bit of both, I'd say. Some talent, some dross.

 

Common to the whole playing squad, though, is a culture and mentality that stinks. These things take time to get right and are bought on by, among other things, changing managers every 6-12 months. 

[danny2997]

5 hours ago, Phenom said:

Can you name the sides in the division that have more talented squads than ours?

 

Also, can you list the improvements you’ve seen in our performances?

 

I’m not saying we can him yet but if you’re not concerned, you’re not paying attention.

 

12 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Course he can’t, nobody can, we have one of the best squads in the division. I think only Ipswich can boast a better squad/more depth.

 

I could accept the squad excuse if we were in the Premier League but we’re playing against worse squads, less resources, pretty much every game and they are still taking points off us. Portsmouth were missing three good players ffs.

 

We haven’t played well for a full game this season. The fact we’re 4th isn’t an achievement, we’ve won 4 games and 2 of those were against promoted teams. 

How about for a start virtually every team in the division has at least 1 striker (if not 2) who's contributed at least double the output of our entire set of strikers together. 

From winger perspective Fatawu the obvious standout with Monga being a standout youth lad but to say he's close to being the best option in the league would be premature. Mavididi's lost it for about a season and a half now. So again (Fatawu aside) there's a long line of wingers in the league that have a better output than ours.

Our starting midfield is reasonably strong tbf from a quality stand point (despite some motivation questions over Winks), but when you've got serial failures Soumare and Skipp at best to come off the bench, you're in trouble.

Only decent player in defence we've got is Ricardo, the rest are poor.

GK wise, Jakub again is ok but there's other keepers in the league performing better.

 

So I ask who exactly is it that makes our squad so be far above anyone else? We got absolutely slaughtered in the premier league for a reason and the team is much weaker now than even then.

[murphy]

13 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

Oh I do not disagree that managers and staff aren’t always correct, but I also accept I do not see what they see, so acting like I know better is not in my wheelhouse, sorry.

Can easily imagine there is an element of ‘told to play’ certain players to retain value though, or worse, it’s contractually defined.

Do not believe Nelson is bad, just that he is not as good as some suspect at this time and/or he is blocked by progressing here until someone leaves for the reason discussed above.

 

You could apply that kind of servile thinking to politics.  Donald Trump?  'He must be right because he's the president'.   If a decision seems counterintuitive it should be questioned.

 

Morning.

[Lesta2014]

Performance wise I’ve not seen much to say we’ve played well, but I will absolutely take being 4th at this stage as I expected us to really struggle post Vardy to get results. A slight improvement would see us win 2/3 in a row and then it looks like a great start to the season.