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James Justin (signed for Leeds, official. 10m.)

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Leeds 10m fee agreed.

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Scotch

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4 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

Whilst I can understand the clamour to sell and refresh the squad, I’m not sure I see the benefit in getting rid of JJ.

 

His attitude and loyalty are never in question, he’s still got 5+ years ahead of him, he can play either side, whilst he’s not the greatest player I just can’t see us replacing him with a £5m better option.

 

The fee needs to be £8-9m to make this trade worthwhile 

So you would offer him a new contract? 

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st albans fox

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14 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

Whilst I can understand the clamour to sell and refresh the squad, I’m not sure I see the benefit in getting rid of JJ.

 

His attitude and loyalty are never in question, he’s still got 5+ years ahead of him, he can play either side, whilst he’s not the greatest player I just can’t see us replacing him with a £5m better option.

 

The fee needs to be £8-9m to make this trade worthwhile 

Depends who will need to be sold of he isn’t 

perhaps he’ll pay the price for all those who have seen out their contracts and left for free (because of the shambles that our club is in failing to sell players mid contract) 

Sol thewall Bamba

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26 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

Whilst I can understand the clamour to sell and refresh the squad, I’m not sure I see the benefit in getting rid of JJ.

 

His attitude and loyalty are never in question, he’s still got 5+ years ahead of him, he can play either side, whilst he’s not the greatest player I just can’t see us replacing him with a £5m better option.

 

The fee needs to be £8-9m to make this trade worthwhile 

So pressuambly you'd offer him a new contract so he doesn't leave for free in 10 months?

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coolhandfox

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52 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

Whilst I can understand the clamour to sell and refresh the squad, I’m not sure I see the benefit in getting rid of JJ.

 

His attitude and loyalty are never in question, he’s still got 5+ years ahead of him, he can play either side, whilst he’s not the greatest player I just can’t see us replacing him with a £5m better option.

 

The fee needs to be £8-9m to make this trade worthwhile 

I think we will be push for that or more.

 

Rumour was we valued him at 13m.

 

He's also another high earners even with a 50% relegation, he's cost around 2m + a year in wages.

 

 

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JimJams

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42 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

Whilst I can understand the clamour to sell and refresh the squad, I’m not sure I see the benefit in getting rid of JJ.

 

His attitude and loyalty are never in question, he’s still got 5+ years ahead of him, he can play either side, whilst he’s not the greatest player I just can’t see us replacing him with a £5m better option.

 

The fee needs to be £8-9m to make this trade worthwhile 

Much like the Winks situation, you can't equate the £5mill fee (for example) we'd receive for a sale vs an incoming player at a fee of £5mill. It's not the same thing.

We have 3 outcomes. 

Sell. Get a fee in while the opportunity is there.

Keep. And lose in a year for nothing.

Keep. And extend.

 

So unless both us and the player are keen to extend, it's a straight shoot between getting a fee and getting nothing. 

If the fee is £5mill, then your question is this "Is JJ worth £5mill per season plus wages?" Followed by "Is there better value out there available to us?"

 

At £5mill per season on a 5 year contract, that's a £25mill player. What's known in the trade as "an Ollie".

 

When you look at it like this can we really afford NOT to sell him?  And even if he wanted to extend, knowing this, would we want to?

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Phild

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Why the hell would any premier league team want JJ? Unless they are already planning for their return to the championship. Just don't get it hes never Premier league quality, even Championship quality is a push. 

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coolhandfox

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1 hour ago, Phild said:

Why the hell would any premier league team want JJ? Unless they are already planning for their return to the championship. Just don't get it hes never Premier league quality, even Championship quality is a push. 

Bit like is with Ayew, BDCR and Skipp, clubs have an obsession with buy players who have experience of the league.

scinnell

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I'm happy with Hamza at Rb should JJ go. Yes he has his limitations, but he is a good championship player and he loves the club - same can be said with Thomas on the other side. We have far bigger priorities should we choose to spend some money this window.

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VLC86

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19 minutes ago, scinnell said:

I'm happy with Hamza at Rb should JJ go. Yes he has his limitations, but he is a good championship player and he loves the club - same can be said with Thomas on the other side. We have far bigger priorities should we choose to spend some money this window.

Hmmm, I don’t know you know. The way Marti plays fullbacks are key to creativity.

 

Only Ricky P can fill the role he wants IMO. I’d still sell, but I do think we need another fullback once JJ and VK are sold.

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5waller5

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3 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

So pressuambly you'd offer him a new contract so he doesn't leave for free in 10 months?


I didn’t realise he was in his last year. But yeah I’d make a sensible new 2-3 year contract offer. He’s adequate back up in the Prem, and first team 2nd choice in two positions in the Champ

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cityfanlee23

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Justin can play Left Back and he's a better player than Thomas. Thomas and Vestergaard individually are good enough for this division, but together they leave us massively vulnerable to long diagonal through balls, the exact issue Marsch has in his tactical system. 

We NEED pace in both full back positions if this system is ever going to work, so selling Justin seems stupid. Would much rather sell Thomas first even though I like him as a player, looks like we are stuck with Kristiansen for another season so I don't really see this as a good sale unless we can replace him. Since christmas JJ has been a very steady player. 

5waller5

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2 hours ago, JimJams said:

Much like the Winks situation, you can't equate the £5mill fee (for example) we'd receive for a sale vs an incoming player at a fee of £5mill. It's not the same thing.

We have 3 outcomes. 

Sell. Get a fee in while the opportunity is there.

Keep. And lose in a year for nothing.

Keep. And extend.

 

So unless both us and the player are keen to extend, it's a straight shoot between getting a fee and getting nothing. 

If the fee is £5mill, then your question is this "Is JJ worth £5mill per season plus wages?" Followed by "Is there better value out there available to us?"

 

At £5mill per season on a 5 year contract, that's a £25mill player. What's known in the trade as "an Ollie".

 

When you look at it like this can we really afford NOT to sell him?  And even if he wanted to extend, knowing this, would we want to?


Yeah good points, it really highlights that instead of sensible transfer business, the number one criteria is PSR. Crazy that it’s become the reason to do something and not the backstop protection it was intended to be

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22 minutes ago, VLC86 said:

Hmmm, I don’t know you know. The way Marti plays fullbacks are key to creativity.

 

Only Ricky P can fill the role he wants IMO. I’d still sell, but I do think we need another fullback once JJ and VK are sold.

I'd keep Hamza at RB and use Ricky in the 6 or 8  role. Bossed it 2 seasons ago, got a full season out of him and has far more creativity than Soumare or Skipp.

 

As for Justin, we can't moan about not getting fees for 240m in talent then not look to cash in with his final season. 

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OntarioFox

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2 hours ago, scinnell said:

I'm happy with Hamza at Rb should JJ go. Yes he has his limitations, but he is a good championship player and he loves the club - same can be said with Thomas on the other side. We have far bigger priorities should we choose to spend some money this window.

Hamza and a fit Ricky P (fingers crossed) are plenty good enough for this league.

 

JJ can go, nice lad and finally turned a bit of a corner form wise after relegation was confirmed but he was absolutely honking for most of last season. Getting actual cash money for him is a no-brainer.

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coolhandfox

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Think people need to understand this goes a little deeper then whether he's decent or not.

 

We can't allowing players to keep walking  away for free.

 

 

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Silebyfox_89

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2 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Think people need to understand this goes a little deeper then whether he's decent or not.

 

We can't allow players to keep walking  away for free.

 

 

Exactly this.

 

We've got 6 full backs in squad for this season we have to ship out some of the higher earners and also stop players leaving for nout.

 

Sentimentality is part of the reason why we're we're stuffed financially, we need to clear out and start again.

I like JJ as a person as he's honest and professional but he's never recovered his pace from his ACL and isn't good enough for the prem.

 

Time to let him go and move on

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