The Clean Slate

[Dames]

2 hours ago, Finnegan said:

Cifuentes isn't the director of football. Cifuentes isn't the owner. Cifuentes isn't the head of recruitment. 

 

Cifuentes is the head coach, he's been given a fairly limited squad with some very obvious flaws. He's got to do the best he can with it, on and off the pitch.

 

What in the sweet, holy, **** are you expecting him to turn up and say? "Lol this Faes guy is shit get him in the reserves"?

 

What a ridiculous thing to moan about. 

 

Wouldnt say its too ridiculous, i think one of the problems we’ve had in recent seasons is players with poor attitudes putting in below par performances and not getting punished for it. 
 

Even with Ruud last year it wasnt performace related punishments to Vestergaard and Winks. 

[Pliskin]

32 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

All the young players that people have been banging on about all summer?

In CM? They’re all wingers and defenders. 

[honeybradger]

1 minute ago, Pliskin said:

In CM? They’re all wingers and defenders. 

Page can play CM.

[ronnup]

Soumare can bollox, he absolutely bottled the challenge for their goal yesterday. Everyone else gets a chance

[Dahnsouff]

Are we suggesting

1. Send anyone who has ever had a bad game or seemingly steps out of line to play with the u21s?
2. Choose only replacements from u21s / new players

Just not sure what the potential solution to these gripes are?

Feels like yet more of the same, sorry  OP 

[CosbehFox]

6 hours ago, AndyLimpey said:

 

He then played a pivotal role in getting us promoted, and today showed that his "Attitude", his arrogance, is far more preferrable to the "Nice guy" Oliver Skipp. 

 

Skipp hid today, whilst Vestergaard, for his flaws, has the arrogance to get on the ball and grab the game by the scruff of its neck. 

It’s got nothing to do with Oliver Skipp. Vestergaard acted a dick hence he’s not liked 

[CosbehFox]

40 minutes ago, turkish14 said:

It’s sad that grown adults have to harbour ill will to others over past mistakes/errors/comments. 
 

Do we as a society not learn how to forgive and forget? 
 

players make mistakes, players say things at times that maybe heat of the moment or not well thought out.

 

should we hate them forever? 
 

 

Well the bloke has repeatedly doubled down on his city career. 
 

We went through this before with the bloke. Plays in the championship and everyone changes opinion on him. 
 

He’s fundamentally a bad egg 

[damolcfc]

It's gonna take a number of games to get the team right.

Pre season did its job and everyone did OK baring the koln  game.

But if faes and vest do the job in the championship  while Nelson and okoli bond during cup games and hopefully more, step up when needed for injuries etc 

Ayew looks fearless 

BEK... hmmm slow burn 

Think we got stage fright yesterday,  that needs a big slap right now.😉

 

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

It’s got nothing to do with Oliver Skipp. Vestergaard acted a dick hence he’s not liked 

Are you suggesting how they are reported to have behaved in the media is more important than their on the pitch activities?

 

 

[filthyfox]

Need to win the next 2 against proper non-pub teams for there to be a clean slate.

[CosbehFox]

1 minute ago, Dahnsouff said:

Are you suggesting how they are reported to have behaved in the media is more important than their on the pitch activities?

 

 

No. Cos it’s not just Vestergaard being a sore arse in the media. It’s that he’s done it multiple times. He rarely engages with the fans. He’s turned down deals to leave. We had the dog episode last season. 

Edited 11 August 2025 by CosbehFox

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, CosbehFox said:

No. 

Well it sure as hell reads like a hard Yes.

[CosbehFox]

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

Well it sure as hell reads like a hard Yes.

How? Cos his unprofessional behaviour doesn’t stop at multiple interviews in the Danish media. 
 

And his performances on the pitch have been lazy, finger pointed and selfish. One afternoon him showing a bit of effort against relegation favourites is hardly reputation redeeming. People have forgotten our defensive record with Enzo became poor cos the likes of Vestergaard and Faes started being picked apart by Millwall and Plymouth 

Edited 11 August 2025 by CosbehFox

[Dan]

Lots of these players are active drains on the club. We shouldn't give clean slates for the sake of it. You can really earn your chances after this last 3 years.

[dmayne7]

10 hours ago, AndyLimpey said:

Vestergaard gets stick because for some strange reason, people believe he played a key role in our relegation under Rodgers....Even though he didn't play a single league game that Season. He was key when we last got promotion, and was key again today, one of the few players who was constantly willing to get on the ball and try to make something happen.

 

Vestergaard, Faes, Winks and Ayew are all willing to get on the ball. I think it's pretty embarrassing to target these guys, rather than the likes of Skipp, Justin, Soumare, who are too scared to get on it and play backwards all the time.

 

Justin has been a liability in this side for years, far more so than Vestergaard or Faes. But I guess because he's quiet and a "Nice guy", he gets aware with being a really poor footballer who gets exposed far more often that the other two. 

Vestergaard gets stick because prior to that Enzo season, he was embarrassingly bad when he played, something lots of people forget. He also had a ridiculous easy time in that season as he was barely exposed and when he had the ball, the opposition just sat off him so had all the time in the world to make passes. Prior to the goal yesterday he was pretty poor as well but he's definitely good enough for this level. The issue is we know he's nowhere near good enough for the PL and is potentially blocking a younger centre backs pathway.

 

As for Justin being more of a liability than Faes, that is absolutely laughable. Faes will almost always make 1 big error per game leading to a goal or chance for the opposition. Justin is not the same player he was pre-injury and he didn't have a good season, but it was more a really honking spell rather than the whole season. Unfortunately, people just fixate on that now. Much like how he never plays forward because of his role under Enzo was to not do that and so whenever he doesn't progress it forward, people have that locked in their minds. Faes is again good enough for this level because he'll be less exposed and won't be punished in the same way but he's got a crap attitude and again, definitely not good enough for the next level.

[RobHawk]

Personally, based on what I've seen so far this season, I'm gonna trust Marti to make the right decisions on these players. He knows them, he sees them day in day out, we can talk about a fans perception of attitude but Marti sees the reality.

 

Hooking skipp at half time shows he's not scared of making changes. Bringing monga on, not scared to play him coz he's 16. The players looked much fitter yesterday than most teams in the division, and 5 subs freshened it up and ultimately we got three points. 

 

Still lots of changes ahead, some players will go and we might actually sign a few. But for the first time since Enzo, I feel I can trust the manager of our club to do what's best in the short and long term for our club. 

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, CosbehFox said:

How? Cos his unprofessional behaviour doesn’t stop at multiple interviews in the Danish media 

People have hated the very idea of Vestergaard since the moment he arrived, or was even rumoured, there is no balance here.  (Ayew being another formidable example.)

 

Not young, not flash, did not come from fashionable club, came from a club we stuffed, these are all indelible marks.

 

Clean slate should not mean sack everyone, and start again, it should mean everyone gets a new chance to impress.

[StanSP]

21 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Are we suggesting

1. Send anyone who has ever had a bad game or seemingly steps out of line to play with the u21s?
2. Choose only replacements from u21s / new players

Just not sure what the potential solution to these gripes are?

Feels like yet more of the same, sorry  OP 

Sell! 

 

Happily get rid of at least 3 or 4 players who have hung around the place on big money and not provided the necessary quality their wages would reflect... 

[trooky]

30 minutes ago, Dames said:

Wouldnt say its too ridiculous, i think one of the problems we’ve had in recent seasons is players with poor attitudes putting in below par performances and not getting punished for it. 
 

Even with Ruud last year it wasnt performace related punishments to Vestergaard and Winks. 

It works both ways this, Vesty was ostracised by Rodgers, the manager who signed him in preference for Amartey and even Ndidi at CB. 

 

Players make mistakes, they don't deliberately play poorly,  Enzo got the best out of his players, Cooper and Ruud didn't with a squad that wasn't equipped for the premier league. 

 

Edited 11 August 2025 by trooky

[fox_up_north]

It's people management 101.

 

If I get given a new group of young people to work with, inevitably someone will say "so and so is trouble" or "that one is lazy". 

 

But you have to build those relationships. I've had some people astounded at the different behaviours people can show from one person to the next. A good chunk of it is just the relationship. 

[Dahnsouff]

4 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Sell! 

 

Happily get rid of at least 3 or 4 players who have hung around the place on big money and not provided the necessary quality their wages would reflect... 

Yup, our strong suit.  

[SK3Blue]

Ultimately it comes from Top and Rudkin, their poor selection of managers and the inability to find decent player replacements. Enzo knew most of them were shite but didn’t have Monga, Alves etc to call upon and we still lost a quarter of the games that season. 
 

A goal/win against Sheffield Wednesday and some forget that these lot were bought for the Premier League, they don’t even excel in the Championship but there’s still a few daft enough to laud them. 
 

It’s a tough one for Marti, he knows the likes of Faes, Soumare and Daka are shite and he’s likely still to have them for the duration, throw in a points deduction, the inevitable injury and suspension here and there plus he’s tasked of reducing a bloated squad and getting promotion!!  I can’t think of a manager who’s had it tougher in recent times, and it’s all down to dumb and dumber. He’s trying to get the best out of a bad bunch. 

 

 

 

Edited 11 August 2025 by SK3Blue

[Chelmofox]

27 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Are we suggesting

1. Send anyone who has ever had a bad game or seemingly steps out of line to play with the u21s?
2. Choose only replacements from u21s / new players

Just not sure what the potential solution to these gripes are?

Feels like yet more of the same, sorry  OP 

Yes - until the U21's aren't good enough and then obligatory academy bashing will start, saying they are League 2 player, L1 at 'best'.

[LCFCJohn]

30 minutes ago, trooky said:

Any new manager would be stupid not to start with the players that have already been promoted from this division before. 

 

I personally think Nelson and Monga will feature plenty this year, and Cif would like to transition more youth players if they're good enough over the course of the season and we're doing well. 

 

Faes has done nothing at this club to warrant the abuse he got yesterday and showed good character to score the winner, he's proven at this level, along with Vesty which is all we need this season. 

 

We need 4 centre backs, so It would be pointless having to replace Vesty and Faes this season with championship quality replacements on 3 year deals  when our long term aim is the premier league stability. 

 

We need need to move on from all this negativity, let the manager do his job and support Leicester to get out of this division. 

 

Can’t agree that this is the way forward though. Yes they might get you up but they are proven that they will not keep us up. We need to have an eye on the medium term as well. Playing these two is very short term thinking.

 

If you are happy to go up and then come back down next season with them two at the heart again then fair enough, that’s your opinion. We will end up in a cycle until they leave on a free and need replacing and the financial problems along either yo-yoing at best continues.

 

Look, I’m not getting in a mood about Page, Evans etc not being chucked straight in. I think Mavididi is a good option and Monga is 16 so his minutes yesterday were good. Alves is an odd one but again, is in a position where senior players are Fatawu, Bilal, Mavididi and then Monga has developed quickly for his age. But the Nelson one is the kicker as we will risk losing him if he is not made an integral part of the team soon. He only has a couple of years left, now is the time you’d be trying to tie him down but from his view, why would he? 
 

Basically, playing Faes and Vestergaard (rather than one of them with Nelson) probably gets the same end result, that’s we can get promoted. You’re not telling me Nelson is going to hold us back from that target. But longer term it sets us back as Faes and Vestergaard are still not good enough and Nelson either isn’t there yet due to being behind them or has seen his future elsewhere and left.

[Ricey]

It's a vicious cycle that we are stuck in, but the blame doesn't lie at the Manager's door. It needs someone higher up, someone who's been here longer than a few weeks to identify these types of players and realise that their time is up. Can't think who.

 

Regardless of their quality at this level, they have all let this club down time and time and time again. Some spend most of their time ostracised in the U23's (whilst turning down chances to leave), some can barely be bothered to track a run, some spend more time waving their arms (and hair) to blame everyone else for their mistakes, some don't fancy staying one night a week in a luxury hotel room (but loves a cheeky aperol spritz on matchdays), most them couldn't be bothered to clap the fans at any point over the last couple of years and all them have played their part in an unacceptable period of incompetence, lack of commitment and, ultimately, abject failure at this football club.

 

The culture and standards need fixing. Clean slates for players that don't deserve them will not do that.