Our fans are also to blame

[Ian S]

8 hours ago, goog said:

Why are you even here? 

You said yourself you choose to watch other teams now, so really you are not even a LCFC fan.

 

Before you say you are....

 

Fans don't check in and out when things go wrong.

They stay fans regardless.

In the good and the bad. 

 

Regardless of 

 

Results 

Performance 

Management 

Lack of trophies 

Bad ownership

Relegation

 

Or successes.... 

 

It's the whole definition of a fan.

 

Take the rough with the smooth. 

It's in your blood. 

 

A fan don't turn the tap on and off when they feel like it. 

 

 

 

 

A fan doesn’t sit there regardless and watch his club head to oblivion either and just shrug his shoulders and say, ‘ah well we have had the good times’.What a stupid approach that would be and thank god a lot of our fans are not that daft 😂

[hackneyfox]

15 hours ago, JonnyBoy said:

With all due respect mate, the last thing I want to do on a Saturday is get stuck on abbey lane traffic to support Harry Winks who quite literally, hates the club. 
 

turning up to protest would help, attending games and lining the owners pockets isn’t helping. I genuinely think a lot of what the original poster is trying to say is completely lost on a lot of fans, like you just don’t get it 

Do we know for sure that 'Winks literally hates the club'?

Perhaps he dislikes the fans who fell for RvN's bollocks about not staying overnight and have abused him.

 

 

Faes has actually looked like he cares and played well in all his appearances this season yet he gets booed. I'd prefer him to leave but he actually seems lioke one of our better CBs at the moment.

 

[hackneyfox]

We are meant to be the 12th man and suppoort our team.

Unity betweeen the fans isn't helped by describing some as 'happy clappers' and KPFC fans.

 

Singing 'We're ****ing shite' and 'How shit must you be, we're winning away' is NOT supporting our team.

If you were on the pitch and heard that it wouldn't make you feel that the fans were behind you or make you want to applaud them at fulltime.

Them being on 20, 30, 40, 50 ....90k a week doesn't change that.

 

 

[SemperEadem]

Singing ‘we’re ****ing shit’ is well small time.

 

Ive no issue with players and the board knowing things are far from good right now but it does irk me that some only open their mouths at missed place passes, the ref, a ball being short of the corner, we passed the ball guff chants etc.

Edited 18 August 2025 by SemperEadem

[hackneyfox]

6 minutes ago, SemperEadem said:

Singing ‘we’re ****ing shit’ is well small time’.

 

Ive no issue with players and the board knowing things are far from good right now but it does irk me that some only open their mouths at missed place passes, the ref, a ball being short of the corner, we passed the ball guff chants etc.

I was at Preston, thought we started quite well, but there were loads around me who had clearly decided before ko that they were going to have a downer on everything we did. They've become so used to moaning (I understand why many are so unhappy) that they just can't help themselves and can't be positive and be the 12th man when we do something right. If all the fans got behind the team for a few games perhaps there would be a change in attitude on the pitch.

If you look at the list of players being called out then clearly there will be no rapprochement between players and some fans unless we sell the entire squad now (bar Monga) and start again.

[JonnyBoy]

15 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

I'm glad some people on here have understood my post. It was never meant to be a dick measuring contest of who is the best fan, I don't think I'm better than anyone else or a bigger fan/supporter than anyone else, I was just trying to make people see that "supporting the club" isn't always supporting the club. There are many like you and myself that understand this concept but unfortunately most don't and have a blind loyalty to LCFC because they can't see that LCFC has become KPFC. Some still back the owners and many don't and want change but yet can't understand that the only way the board and the owner will start to take notice is by a drop in attendance and merch sales etc. 

 

Can we force Top to sell? No 

 

Can we make him consider selling because the clubs losing money through ticket sales/merch sales etc and embarrass him and his board by having a half empty stadium? Absolutely, but it would take 1000s of people to be on board and judging by many of the comments on here, that will never happen.

 

I

 

 

It is called cant have your cake and eat it, and it has irked some fans who have reacted to the post because they have probably lined the pockets of the owner some way or another through tickets sales, merch, beer etc, but then expect them to sell or there be a huge drastic change. Unforuntately, some don't want to face up to it and will angrily say about how they can "do what they want" and won't be told how to support the club. That is absolutely fine, you keep doing that but don't expect change to happen anytime soon. 

[JonnyBoy]

30 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

Do we know for sure that 'Winks literally hates the club'?

Perhaps he dislikes the fans who fell for RvN's bollocks about not staying overnight and have abused him.

 

 

Faes has actually looked like he cares and played well in all his appearances this season yet he gets booed. I'd prefer him to leave but he actually seems lioke one of our better CBs at the moment.

 

 

hate the club/hate the fans whatever, i don't really care which one you are splitting hairs 

[hackneyfox]

16 minutes ago, JonnyBoy said:

 

hate the club/hate the fans whatever, i don't really care which one you are splitting hairs 

There's more chance of him staying if it's just the fans he hates at the moment so hardly splitting hairs.

[MattFox]

Fans aren’t going to be supportive of a bunch of players that got relegated twice in three years in embarrassing circumstances 

 

That’s the bottom line

[sylofox]

16 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

And again, this is an ill informed point of view because the PL have charged Manchester City with 115 charges and they have a hearing in October, and Chelsea haven't actually broken any rules. 

 

We are no different from Manchester City we are both process pending potential final verdict/punishment and both cases it's been going on for seasons and in both cases no sanction, as of yet, has been imposed on either club. 

 

 

I'll informed really. Chelsea buying selling the women's team and hotel is not breaking or bending the rules?

 

Man c's 115 charges all happened in the last three years did they? Or are they historic?

 

I'll informed no Everton Forest got done the next season we found a loop hole but now being charged. Three clubs all charged ASAP.

 

Man C facing charges 10yrs old and what have they won in that time they would not have had they been charged the following season after the rule breach?

 

No I'm not I'll informed and they should have been charged when breaking the rules as others have. Others with one charge. Will they get 4pts deducted for every charge for the following season?

 

Are they going to get stripped of every honour since they broke the first rule?

 

They should have been done each season like others not 10 fvcking years later. 

 

 

No I'm not going to finish as I'm pissed at you and don't want a ban.

[sylofox]

15 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

Not really, smaller clubs like Birmingham and Wrexham have ended up with wealthy owners. I think we would still be an attractive proposition to anyone who's looking at investing in a football club. 

 

 

As things stand now us and Sheffield Wednesday would be bottom of any investor's list. Unless it's a very rich fan.

 

The mess our owner has put us in will take years to sort out. The only reason they would take us on is if we are given away.

 

Top's going to want north of 100m if not way more and we really aren't worth that ATM.

 

 

[Spanner73]

1 hour ago, hackneyfox said:

Do we know for sure that 'Winks literally hates the club'?

Perhaps he dislikes the fans who fell for RvN's bollocks about not staying overnight and have abused him.

 

 

Faes has actually looked like he cares and played well in all his appearances this season yet he gets booed. I'd prefer him to leave but he actually seems lioke one of our better CBs at the moment.

 

I’m not sure you can call it Ruud’s bls 

when he tried to create a culture which is broken and team bond that is clearly missing. And for the ones upstairs to almost ignore it is clearly why we’re in a mess. Where was his support with winks, vest. ? 
 

Every manager that comes here seems to get the blame and like it’s been said before we’re a carbon copy of Man Utd  ! 
 

Top managers do not become poor managers overnight so Man Utd, us or any club it’s essential that everyone has the right attitude, desire, good environment and optimism from the Top of the board room down to the pitch which takes bloody hard work and effort. 
 

So don’t keep blaming Ruud, Cooper or Marti now 

 

 

The Clubs demise is right at Top’s door 

[jayfox26]

52 minutes ago, sylofox said:

As things stand now us and Sheffield Wednesday would be bottom of any investor's list. Unless it's a very rich fan.

 

The mess our owner has put us in will take years to sort out. The only reason they would take us on is if we are given away.

 

Top's going to want north of 100m if not way more and we really aren't worth that ATM.

 

 

I get what you're saying because of how much Top would want but we have some of the best facilities in the country. We do still have some value in the squad with Bilal and Fatawu plus some of the young lads but I know what you mean, it's a massive investment for someone and they probably wouldnt see any rewards anytime soon. 

 

Ideal situation would be for Top to wake up, sack his board and attempt to rebuild the club from scratch again. Problem is, I doubt he would either want to or have the know how to be able to do this. We also don't know the state of his own finances with all the turmoil with KP. 

Edited 18 August 2025 by jayfox26

[trooky]

5 hours ago, hackneyfox said:

I was at Preston, thought we started quite well, but there were loads around me who had clearly decided before ko that they were going to have a downer on everything we did. They've become so used to moaning (I understand why many are so unhappy) that they just can't help themselves and can't be positive and be the 12th man when we do something right. If all the fans got behind the team for a few games perhaps there would be a change in attitude on the pitch.

If you look at the list of players being called out then clearly there will be no rapprochement between players and some fans unless we sell the entire squad now (bar Monga) and start again.

We're not selling an entire squad and as fans if we don't find any rappochement between the players then the atmosphere will just become more toxic and in this scenario we will be relegated.

 

That isn't the action of a supporter, wanting the worst for the club just to despite the players. 

Edited 18 August 2025 by trooky

[markko]

On 13/08/2025 at 11:33, VLC86 said:

Verschaaren was a superstar in my PES 20 team, GERRIMIN.

 

9 minutes ago, Spanner73 said:

I’m not sure you can call it Ruud’s bls 

when he tried to create a culture which is broken and team bond that is clearly missing. And for the ones upstairs to almost ignore it is clearly why we’re in a mess. Where was his support with winks, vest. ? 
 

Every manager that comes here seems to get the blame and like it’s been said before we’re a carbon copy of Man Utd  ! 
 

Top managers do not become poor managers overnight so Man Utd, us or any club it’s essential that everyone has the right attitude, desire, good environment and optimism from the Top of the board room down to the pitch which takes bloody hard work and effort. 
 

So don’t keep blaming Ruud, Cooper or Marti now 

 

 

The Clubs demise is right at Top’s door 

What has happened has gone. Marti should be offering all a clean slate. If Winks has been training hard and his attitude is good he would be playing. I don't know what goes on behind the scenes but I do know what I see. We were fortunate to beat Sheffield Wednesday. We have then got knocked out of the cup. We lost to Preston. There seems to be a lack of leaders/passion. We have to get players out whether it be for financial reasons or because they don't want to be here and we need some new faces in. The incomings have to be the right characterswith ability. There are good pros about who are not on massive money who would come in and make a difference.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Generational decline on the pitch and the boardroom, and the most active thread is the fans blaming each other. 

[BKLFox]

New manager, new ideas, new season & whilst last seasons lame ducks are still here we can’t afford to write 20 players contracts off and start again, also it would seem no bids are forthcoming for those that we desperately want to go.

 

So at some point a line in the sand must have to be drawn by us the fans and accept this is who we have and who will represent our club this season & whilst we might not like those players it’s them that can get us out of this predicament by getting us promoted, note we have more chance of ridding ourselves of the unwanted if we are a premier league club as we will have more wiggle room on the books.

 

In the meantime we can continue to protest about how the club is run for sure but I don’t think after 2 games we should be getting on the players case and assume a relegation battle ensue’s because there is still one hundred and thirty two points to play for and we need them onboard with us to get as many of those points as we can.

[Edingleyfox]

I don't believe fans should greet players with abuse or boos when they walk on the pitch the episode with Faes and last year with Danny Ward wasn't great at all. If the guys are picked we should support them whether they are good enough or not.  It is inevitable that there is frustration audible in the crowd and that is fair enough of course.

I think a lot is aimed at players on the biggest wages but the why were some unproven players offered £70-80K per week often multiple times their previous salaries?  That is not particularly the players fault.

[Spanner73]

23 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

I get what you're saying because of how much Top would want but we have some of the best facilities in the country. We do still have some value in the squad with Bilal and Fatawu plus some of the young lads but I know what you mean, it's a massive investment for someone and they probably wouldnt see any rewards anytime soon. 

 

Ideal situation would be for Top to wake up, sack his board and attempt to rebuild the club from scratch again. Problem is, I doubt he would either want to or have the know how to be able to do this. We also don't know the state of his own finances with all the turmoil with KP. 

The latter is never going to happen I gave up on that idea long ago so personally I just want him to sell up and go ! 

[sylofox]

25 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

 

 

Ideal situation would be for Top to wake up, sack his board and attempt to rebuild the club from scratch again. 

In an ideal world yes. Personally if he's not going to sell I'd rather we stay as we are. I wouldn't trust him to cross a road safely. Rebuild the club no fvcking chance.

[Spanner73]

7 minutes ago, Edingleyfox said:

I don't believe fans should greet players with abuse or boos when they walk on the pitch the episode with Faes and last year with Danny Ward wasn't great at all. If the guys are picked we should support them whether they are good enough or not.  It is inevitable that there is frustration audible in the crowd and that is fair enough of course.

I think a lot is aimed at players on the biggest wages but the why were some unproven players offered £70-80K per week often multiple times their previous salaries?  That is not particularly the players fault.

Your right it’s not their fault if some dick upstairs gives it to them 

 

Rudkin again Ole ole 

Rudkin again Ole ole 

[jayfox26]

16 minutes ago, sylofox said:

In an ideal world yes. Personally if he's not going to sell I'd rather we stay as we are. I wouldn't trust him to cross a road safely. Rebuild the club no fvcking chance.

Staying as we are surely can't be an option, the whole club is toxic. The players, the fans everything. Even just a few changes like a competent dof could make a difference 

[izzymuzzet]

2 hours ago, SemperEadem said:

Singing ‘we’re ****ing shit’ is well small time.

 

Ive no issue with players and the board knowing things are far from good right now but it does irk me that some only open their mouths at missed place passes, the ref, a ball being short of the corner, we passed the ball guff chants etc.

This is where I'm at. I'm not a booer myself but don't object to giving the players both barrels after a performance like that. But I really don't like the self-depracting schtick that's crept in over the last 3 or 4 years. We can demand better without constantly doing ourselves down. 

[lcfc81]

My view is we have what might be a once in a generation opportunity with some of the young players coming through. 

My view is that the only environment conductive to them being successful is a positive environment where they are able to.make mistakes and develop. 

It looks like we are unlikely to buy anyone and are going into the season with what looks like on paper a young squad. 

My observations are that a number of people seem intent on protesting/showing their displeasure at any opportunity, which is of course their perogative. It seems that they will only be happy once KP/Top are gone.

My opinion is that it seems like a very dangerous approach, affively damaging your football club so that you can get a change of which you have no knowledge of what it will be? Who is ever going to want to take over a team if such a toxic environment exists? I hear your gripes, and I agree with some of them, but it is my opinion that it is time to let the team move on and not continue funds that can only harm us.

I plan to give the manager and players the time the team they need and see if they can develop into a strong team. I am going to enjoy watching our youth develop and see if they can reach their potential. I am going to get behind any player that wears the shirt, even when they frustrate me, and leave it to the manager to decide if their effort is enough. I am going to expect mistakes, I am going to be furious at certain times and elated at others, but  ultimately I am going to sit back and enjoy the ride. 

People might disagree with me, but I have got over that we won the league, that our gamble to break into the big boys failed, that the authorities rigged the system to stop teams like ours being successful, and enjoy looking at how we do what we always did, and disrupt the system. 

Edited 18 August 2025 by lcfc81

[Tommy G]

2 hours ago, sylofox said:

I'll informed really. Chelsea buying selling the women's team and hotel is not breaking or bending the rules?

 

Man c's 115 charges all happened in the last three years did they? Or are they historic?

 

I'll informed no Everton Forest got done the next season we found a loop hole but now being charged. Three clubs all charged ASAP.

 

Man C facing charges 10yrs old and what have they won in that time they would not have had they been charged the following season after the rule breach?

 

No I'm not I'll informed and they should have been charged when breaking the rules as others have. Others with one charge. Will they get 4pts deducted for every charge for the following season?

 

Are they going to get stripped of every honour since they broke the first rule?

 

They should have been done each season like others not 10 fvcking years later. 

 

 

No I'm not going to finish as I'm pissed at you and don't want a ban.

Big difference between bending and breaking though? 

 

Like Tax evasion and tax avoidance