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The 'saving Finnegan's sanity' Manor Solomon thread.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, kenny said:

I was interested and went and looked. The only thing he has posted about the IDF is “Killing their own people and blaming Israel” which was after the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital attack.

 

Otherwise, he seems to lament the suffering that is happening.

Not the first time that the truth seems to be the first ‘victim of war’ ……

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

If he did sign I do hope Bob Vylan (or indeed half of Glastonbury) don’t plan on coming to our games🤷‍♂️

I dunno, it might ignite some passionate chants...

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Posted
15 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Why’s that funny?

 

These conflicts are very different. 

Well I didn’t quite say it was funny, but I do understand that “ as a coincidence “ could be a better choice of words.

 

and it was more to do with the irony of him waking up  with bombs dropping around him..

Posted
7 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Everyone has to serve

male and female 

I have no idea what his service entailed but as an international player I very much doubt he was ‘on the front line’

 

he played 68 games for his club in two half seasons in that period before transferring to Donetsk in Jan 2019.  If he was enlisted then doesn’t look like he was doing much away from training and playing! 

So not convinced his ‘service’ is relevant (though because it’s mandatory that shouldn’t really matter ??). 

 

I'm aware of this and its why I left in the mandatory part. But people will see the service and who it was for as a reason to form an opinion on him. 

I was purely answering a question from another poster, rather than attempting to start anything political. 

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Posted (edited)
12 minutes ago, kenny said:

I was interested and went and looked. The only thing he has posted about the IDF is “Killing their own people and blaming Israel” which was after the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital attack.

 

Otherwise, he seems to lament the suffering that is happening.

 

6 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Not the first time that the truth seems to be the first ‘victim of war’ ……

... sorry to butt in, but I have seen at least one Insta post other than that does rather more than "lament the suffering". I won't post it here but it expresses direct condemnation at people who (apparently) only cared about the issue post October 7th 2023.

 

Not a direct thing regarding the actions of the IDF, but certainly "picking a side" rather than simply mourning the senseless death on both sides. 

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Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, slymunn said:

I'm aware of this and its why I left in the mandatory part. But people will see the service and who it was for as a reason to form an opinion on him. 

I was purely answering a question from another poster, rather than attempting to start anything political. 

Fairs

It looks like his service was limited to nine months between dec’16 and sept ‘17.  
 

given his age at the time and the no of games he played for his team, it’s really doubtful  that he had any responsibilities away from a desk or a sports hall. 
 

I wonder if we’d be having the same debate around a potential Russian signing ??

 

and unless there’s something I don’t know about outgoings, I don’t believe we need him here in any case. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Fairs

It looks like his service was limited to nine months between dec’16 and sept ‘17.  
 

given his age at the time and the no of games he played for his team, it’s really doubtful  that he had any responsibilities away from a desk or a sports hall. 
 

I wonder if we’d be having the same debate around a potential Russian signing ??

Probably not, because I don't think there's as many folks (other than hardened parts at both ends of the left-right spectrum) that think the actions of the Russian military are justifiable. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

This is a very good point. 
 

I’m happy to admit I’m pro Palestinian and St Albans probably knows that better than most. However, we are judging players simply on their country of origin, that’s frigging stupid. 
 

If he has done something wrong - which I can see that he has, let’s not be that society. 

You missed a ‘t’ off can’t 😀

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Posted
2 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Probably not, because I don't think there's as many folks (other than hardened parts at both ends of the left-right spectrum) that think the actions of the Russian military are justifiable. 

Confused me with that mac

 

we wouldn’t cos most people know that the Russians are in the wrong ??

Surely we would ???

Posted
31 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

If he did sign I do hope Bob Vylan (or indeed half of Glastonbury) don’t plan on coming to our games🤷‍♂️

Just a very weird post lmao 

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Posted

I would not have a problem with him coming to LCFC.

 

He seems to be a good footballer and would improve the team. The fact he was born in Israel and HAD to serve in their millitary should have no basis on the football he will bring. Obviously my opinion, but i'm fed up with everything always being about politics or there being a another/different agenda to eveything in life.

 

He is a footballer coming to play football, surely thats all that matters? 

(incoming roast no doubt lol) 

 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Confused me with that mac

 

we wouldn’t cos most people know that the Russians are in the wrong ??

Surely we would ???

Sorry, allow me to clarify. 

 

I'm saying that there wouldn't be a debate about it at all, or not much of one anyway. Rather there would simply be (almost) universal condemnation and animosity towards the club for the idea, rather than the massive talking point this might turn out to be. 

Posted
49 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Ongoing Turkish occupation of Northern Cyprus

Also Turkey occupying parts of northern Syria and bombing Kurdish children to bits. 

 

Oh and the multiple genocides they committed, greeks, armenians...

 

I can't recall people being phased when we signed Under or Soyuncu. What might the reason be hmmm...

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Posted
1 hour ago, RobHawk said:

Has he said something in particular on the issue? 

 

Or is it just a case of people overreacting because of where he comes from? Just because he's Israeli doesn't automatically mean he supports what the government are doing in gaza. Unless he's said something to support it? 

Because he's Welsh?

Posted
1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

Sorry, allow me to clarify. 

 

I'm saying that there wouldn't be a debate about it at all, or not much of one anyway. Rather there would simply be (almost) universal condemnation and animosity towards the club for the idea, rather than the massive talking point this might turn out to be. 

Not convinced about that 

I think the vast majority would say that the player is nothing to do with the policy of the Russian govt 

Posted
3 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Not convinced about that 

I think the vast majority would say that the player is nothing to do with the policy of the Russian govt 

I disagree, but you could be right too. Would be only one way to find out. 

Posted
1 hour ago, bovril said:

He's posted quite a lot of stuff on social media in support of the Israeli government and army, I think. Which he's entitled to, just don't really want him playing here, though I know my personal opinion has no influence on the club's decision. 

Yet he hasn't? The two things people keep bringing up are 

 

1) His post about the Al-Ahli Hospital explosion for which Israel was wrongly blamed. And Solomon was right about it - WSJ, CNN, AP, NATO, NYT and others have all said the same thing.

 

2) the other post with the ginger baby and the terrorist. I genuinely don't see the issue here? If people can post "All Eyes on Rafah" why can't he post that? There's nothing offensive or wrong about the picture, he merely seeks to draw attention to his side of the story, same way other people did and do.

 

For what it's worth Solomon follows opposition politicians on his social media as well as outlets critical of the government. But clearly that hasn't stopped people from being prejudiced little dickheads.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, MadsEmil said:

Also Turkey occupying parts of northern Syria and bombing Kurdish children to bits. 

 

Oh and the multiple genocides they committed, greeks, armenians...

 

I can't recall people being phased when we signed Under or Soyuncu. What might the reason be hmmm...

You can’t really go back many decades (n Cyprus)  (and centuries re the others) 

but the current stuff is valid 

we don’t have many Kurds in the west is the basic answer. So people, are uneducated about what’s been going on there for years and years.  
 

Also, what if we brought a Saudi or Iranian player?   
again, I’m certain that their nationality would be separated from their govt policy 

 

Posted
47 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Have a look into the ongoing and historical issues between the Turkish and Kurds. 

The Moroccans in the Western Sahara. 
 

And the religious civil conflict in Nigeria. 
 

Azerbaijan and Armenia?

 

Ongoing Turkish occupation of Northern Cyprus? 


Issues for Christians in countries like Syria, Egypt and Lebanon? 

lol turkey invaded Northern Cyprus over 50 years ago! a better example of a double standard would be the war in Yemen where Saudi Arabia have carpet bombed civilian areas and killed 20,000 people yet this is hardly reported and Saudi Arabia own our football clubs, half of london and run Boxing with total impunity. but I am not thrilled about that either and wouldn't want Saudi ownership at City.

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Posted (edited)

The last thing we need is more behind the scenes trouble with Hamza captain and his views and as great a player he is (Solomon) it may cause issues within the team which is the last thing we want more division in the squad

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Posted
6 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

The last thing we need is more behind the scenes trouble with Hamza captain and his views and as great a player he is (Solomon) it may cause issues within the team which is the last thing we want more division in the squad

Issues which he wouldn't be the reason for. He played with Palestinians, Central African Republic, Senegalese, Ghanaian, French Muslims in the past, there isn't one story of there being any issues.

 

If anything, Hamza throwing a fit would just show how his narrow mindedness. I do hope he'd take the chance to actually learn something about perspective because Solomon was actually directly affected by the war as opposed to Hamza.

Posted
14 minutes ago, MadsEmil said:

Yet he hasn't? The two things people keep bringing up are 

 

1) His post about the Al-Ahli Hospital explosion for which Israel was wrongly blamed. And Solomon was right about it - WSJ, CNN, AP, NATO, NYT and others have all said the same thing.

 

2) the other post with the ginger baby and the terrorist. I genuinely don't see the issue here? If people can post "All Eyes on Rafah" why can't he post that? There's nothing offensive or wrong about the picture, he merely seeks to draw attention to his side of the story, same way other people did and do.

 

For what it's worth Solomon follows opposition politicians on his social media as well as outlets critical of the government. But clearly that hasn't stopped people from being prejudiced little dickheads.

That's why I said "I think", I haven't followed it that closely and I recollected reading that he had been quite pro-Israel in his posts but perhaps he's been more reserved and balanced than I realised. 

 

Wouldn't be over the moon about any Israeli playing for us at the moment but I guess you can't choose where you're born.

 

Your post was quite good until the last sentence...

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