Cifuentes OUT

[ClaphamFox]

3 hours ago, Happy Fox said:

Hopefully Saturday is his last game in charge.

That seems highly unlikely.

[lcfc67]

My 2d's worth:

 

Daka has square feet - it was has as already been said like playing with 10 men. Jake Evans has to start - he cannot be worse. I repeat he cannot be worse and most likely will be an improvement. He's young and keen - enough said for me

 

Thomas - didn't see why a lot were raving about his game against Derby. Will admit he is crossing the ball better but he cannot defend. Wrong side of the player all the time, not aerially good enough and so weak physically. Play Aluko - he has a future Thomas hasn't in my book, get rid.

 

Cifuentes subs etc were baffling and didn't help at all

 

Choudhury - not good enough. Sloppy on the ball and simply doesn't contribute. Would rather see Page or Braybrooke or anyone else. Please send him back to Sheff Utd where he can freely like all of Tom Cannon's posts without ridicule.

 

Though Stolly should have saved the first goal. 

 

How we managed a point after the way the 2nd half went is a small miracle. We gave the ball away constantly, never seen such one way traffic for a whole half

 

Ayew - why take one touch when you can take 10 then fall over in the hope of a foul. Will NOT pass the ball unless a last resort.

 

Nelson - I think he is terrific and stands out in the back line - should be first on the team sheet when picking defenders who actually try to defend

 

Vestergaard - 6ft 6in but manages to jump to 6ft 7 ins if he gets a run on the ball. Should win every high ball, connects with the odd one

 

These "one good half" of football is killing us. 

[Richmondfox]

2 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

The manager has found the best system for the team, sit in a mid-block and hit the opposition on the counter attack. That's the good news. 

 

The bad news is that he is really struggling to find an out ball and a way to relieve the pressure when teams go for it against us. The lethargic start to the second half was one thing, but that can happen to anyone. After that is where I was most disapointed. I would expect a competent manager to be way more animated and demand that some of this players keep the ball in the middle of the park to restore some control. JJ might have had a knock, but bringing on Daka so we ended up with a midfield duo of Skipp and Reid was honking. 

 

I think this manager points the finger way too often and doesn't look at himself. "The players don't listen to me"... mate you are the MANAGER and managing players is what you are there to do. Communication with your team and getting them to understand what you want from them IS the art of management. Rodgers and Maresca were able to get their ideas across within weeks, this guy can't.

 

He can still save himself, but he's got to work on better transitions when we are under the kosh, and also needs to be able to coach the team to be proactive in those situations, IE to step up and play higher and have the confidence to play with the ball to calm the game down and ride the storm. 

Speed the pass up out of the back, get the full backs to actually carry the ball, pass so the wingers are already running and also carry on running.  Thats the only time Fatawu looks like a good player.  Mav would be a lot better and likeable if he crossed the ball first time.  The second half, Mav wasn’t even bothering to move with the ball, just stood still under no pressure and sent it backwards. 
 

What’s the point of setting them up for a mid block/counter when this team only send it backwards for JV to control. 

Get rid of JV and the tempo change happen naturally and the attacks will flow quicker like at the Derby game. 

 

Ayew will always Ayew it.  zero use to this team.  3 weak managers got the same results and style of play from him.  
 

His goals per game at QPR shows that he can’t work out how to get his teams scoring more than once. He just isn’t very good at his job.  If he could change he would have by now. 

[Richmondfox]

9 minutes ago, lcfc67 said:

My 2d's worth:

 

Daka has square feet - it was has as already been said like playing with 10 men. Jake Evans has to start - he cannot be worse. I repeat he cannot be worse and most likely will be an improvement. He's young and keen - enough said for me

 

Thomas - didn't see why a lot were raving about his game against Derby. Will admit he is crossing the ball better but he cannot defend. Wrong side of the player all the time, not aerially good enough and so weak physically. Play Aluko - he has a future Thomas hasn't in my book, get rid.

 

Cifuentes subs etc were baffling and didn't help at all

 

Choudhury - not good enough. Sloppy on the ball and simply doesn't contribute. Would rather see Page or Braybrooke or anyone else. Please send him back to Sheff Utd where he can freely like all of Tom Cannon's posts without ridicule.

 

Though Stolly should have saved the first goal. 

 

How we managed a point after the way the 2nd half went is a small miracle. We gave the ball away constantly, never seen such one way traffic for a whole half

 

Ayew - why take one touch when you can take 10 then fall over in the hope of a foul. Will NOT pass the ball unless a last resort.

 

Nelson - I think he is terrific and stands out in the back line - should be first on the team sheet when picking defenders who actually try to defend

 

Vestergaard - 6ft 6in but manages to jump to 6ft 7 ins if he gets a run on the ball. Should win every high ball, connects with the odd one

 

These "one good half" of football is killing us. 

Pretty fair and obvious analysis for anyone with eyes.  Only our manager and his team can’t see it. 

 

His team, including King must all be as oblivious and useless as Marti. Do the even watch the tapes back and go over the errors or what works well. 

[foxtillidrop]

Honestly think we have more raw quality but are lacking the necessary leadership, firstly from the management, and then on the pitch.

 

Vestergard sets the worst example as he is the laziest bugger on the field, swanning around. He should have sorted the initial cross for their first goal easily but his feet were too slow.

 

The right manager wod have managed to get a tune out of winks, soumare, faes, ricardo but the manager has lost them all...

[adamkhalifa]

MC just isn't getting the best out of the players we have. 

League position tells us, we are below LCFC average.

Poor attacking and defending. 

Players look unfit or overworked in training.

Odd substitutions and team selection. 

Unfortunately, we hired a coach that can talk a good game but doesn't know how to implement it. 

[HankMarvin]

15 minutes ago, adamkhalifa said:

MC just isn't getting the best out of the players we have. 

League position tells us, we are below LCFC average.

Poor attacking and defending. 

Players look unfit or overworked in training.

Odd substitutions and team selection. 

Unfortunately, we hired a coach that can talk a good game but doesn't know how to implement it. 

Even with a few points recently these long patches of shit runs are terrible 

 

[Molson Canadian]

He needs to go. 

 

Who we replace him with I have no idea.  This team has no real structure on the pitch it seems.  The playing style is all over the place, at times for me at least it's hard to even tell what the player positioning is on the pitch and for who do to what.  Not sure everyone would agree with me but a good number of the goals it seems are just a player taking a chance themselves, nothing wrong with scoring goals of course.  But it's just not making a lot of sense to me with him in charge. 

[Chrysalis]

1 hour ago, Molson Canadian said:

He needs to go. 

 

Who we replace him with I have no idea.  This team has no real structure on the pitch it seems.  The playing style is all over the place, at times for me at least it's hard to even tell what the player positioning is on the pitch and for who do to what.  Not sure everyone would agree with me but a good number of the goals it seems are just a player taking a chance themselves, nothing wrong with scoring goals of course.  But it's just not making a lot of sense to me with him in charge. 

You saying you prefer rigid pre set routines only?  Players having freedom to take chances themselves is the best type of football.

[Tuna]

2 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

Even with a few points recently these long patches of shit runs are terrible 

 

One point better than Oxford ffs get him gone

Edited 11 December 2025 by Tuna

[coolhandfox]

We will sleep walking into a relegation battle.

[AyewJoking]

7 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

We will sleep walking into a relegation battle.

Moe like bells and whistles.

 

I just accept Top and Rudkin bet on the wrong horse for the 3rd time in a row and we cant afford to back him or sack him

[Claridge]

12 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Oh I don't know, maybe get them fitter, more structured and organised on and off the ball.

 

 

 

 

Agree to a point, but i’m not convinced they follow instructions very well, seems the same whatever manager we have. Perhaps it’s not the managers

[MonarchFox]

I think Celtic this season sort of prove a point in the difference between a coach and a man manager.

 

Rodgers (whatever people think) is a decent coach, but needs a complete buy in to him from the players.  Once he hits a losing streak he hasn't got the ability to get his players remotivated to his systems again.

 

Martin comes in, starts making people feel great again, know how to push the right buttons on certain players and bang they are back at the races.

 

Nancy comes back in with his fancy tactics board and they are back again in the shit again.

 

I see Marti as a coach not a man manager.

 

All the top managers know how to get into the players minds.  Pep, klopp, fergie, mourinho all know how to make players tick - whether it's a fear factor, mutual respect or massaging their players egos

[Mendi]

Get him gone.

[Ric Flair]

7 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

We will sleep walking into a relegation battle.

Yeah, the league being as tight as it is makes this unhelpful. If we are getting a points deduction, let's have it ASAP so it focuses the minds. We carry on winning/drawing/losing equally then with a 6-9 deduction it will make things get very uncomfortable at the end of the season as we'll be embroiled in it. You don't want to be on much less than 53 points.

[Claudio Fannieri]

What I did find interesting, well actually pretty worrying in both 2nd half’s but especially on Wednesday night was the increasing habit of players just aimlessly booting the ball 20 or 30 yards and immediately surrendering possession back to the opposition to build yet another attack. 
 

For a club hell bent on playing possession based controlling football, the 2nd half was anything but in fact at times it resembled U7/8’s grassroots football. At no stage in that 2nd half did we look remotely capable of stringing more than 2/3 passes together to wrestle some semblance of control back into the game instead we turned it over repeatedly and pretty much allowed Bristol City to launch wave after wave of pressure, we were unable to assert any level of control but equally looked devoid of any kind of threat either on the counter attack. It was literally an attack vs defence training drill. 

[coolhandfox]

12 hours ago, Claridge said:

Agree to a point, but i’m not convinced they follow instructions very well, seems the same whatever manager we have. Perhaps it’s not the managers

Countering that point the majority where here under Enzo and seemed to have little issue with that then.

 

 

[Chelmofox]

18 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Countering that point the majority where here under Enzo and seemed to have little issue with that then.

 

 

2nd half of Enzo season says hello.

[Claridge]

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

Countering that point the majority where here under Enzo and seemed to have little issue with that then.

 

 

They started off amazing granted, but after 15 games we were pretty poor in a lot of games, plus we had Vardy. If we had Vardy in that form under Enzo this season I'm sure we would be a lot higher in the league. As I said im not sure Marti is that good, but im pretty sure no manager gets much of a tune out of this squad. Hopefully beat Ipswich tomorrow and we can then hope that there is light at the end of the tunnel

[Dmitry]

2 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Countering that point the majority where here under Enzo and seemed to have little issue with that then.

 

 

Vardy, Dewsbury-Hall, Hermansen, Albrighton, Ndidi, Praet, Iheanacho...these are some of the very good ones and the just good ones that were there...I'm sure I'm forgetting someone else. What you have now is largely a different team. A team that needs a different kind of manager than what we have now. Topkin needs to act now.

[beepee1984]

39 minutes ago, Dmitry said:

Vardy, Dewsbury-Hall, Hermansen, Albrighton, Ndidi, Praet, Iheanacho...these are some of the very good ones and the just good ones that were there...I'm sure I'm forgetting someone else. What you have now is largely a different team. A team that needs a different kind of manager than what we have now. Topkin needs to act now.

Justin / Doyle also gave us more options at the back

Casadei / Akgun were better options of the bench to cover midfield

McAteer chipped in with 6 goals 

 

Coady and Cannon also played 10 games or more... so that makes14 players with 10 or more games two seasons ago that are not here - so I agree with you it is a very different team

 

Also the Faes and Winks were 2 very different players back then

 

[Sly]

21 hours ago, Richmondfox said:

Speed the pass up out of the back, get the full backs to actually carry the ball, pass so the wingers are already running and also carry on running.  Thats the only time Fatawu looks like a good player.  Mav would be a lot better and likeable if he crossed the ball first time.  The second half, Mav wasn’t even bothering to move with the ball, just stood still under no pressure and sent it backwards. 
 

What’s the point of setting them up for a mid block/counter when this team only send it backwards for JV to control. 

Get rid of JV and the tempo change happen naturally and the attacks will flow quicker like at the Derby game. 

 

Ayew will always Ayew it.  zero use to this team.  3 weak managers got the same results and style of play from him.  
 

His goals per game at QPR shows that he can’t work out how to get his teams scoring more than once. He just isn’t very good at his job.  If he could change he would have by now. 

Let’s be honest, if you swap Vestergaard for Okoli, it likely gets worse. It’s it’s coming straight back. Half the time both him and even Nelson have held onto the ball is due to not having a great out ball. 

[Molson Canadian]

20 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

You saying you prefer rigid pre set routines only?  Players having freedom to take chances themselves is the best type of football.

how's that going for us this season.

[Chrysalis]

1 hour ago, Molson Canadian said:

how's that going for us this season.

Thats not how we playing, every time I have watched us, its mostly tippy tappy with defenders passing to each other.   No urgency going forward.