Les-TA-Jon Posted 28 January Posted 28 January 42 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: We’re in a tricky spot because the managerial job we need doing now is very different to the one we’ll need doing in the summer. Right now, we’re in full-blown crisis management mode—we need to avoid relegation at all costs. This means we desperately require somebody who can bring organisation and structure, improve the team’s mental strength and make them much more resilient. We need a firefighter who can get quick results, and Rowett has shown that he can do that. In the summer, whether we get relegated or not, we will be in rebuild mode. A bunch of players will be out of contract and a few others will be sold, and we’ll be starting again with a core of academy players supported, hopefully, by some decent acquisitions in a few positions. I’m not sure if Rowett is the man for this job based on his record. Would Rowett take it on an interim basis for the rest of the season if we offered him enough of a bonus for keeping us up? I have no idea. But if he would, he may well be the ideal candidate for what we need right now. Just not for the long term. Agree. We need a firefighter from now until May. Then someone else - a builder - from the summer onwards. Problem is, who is willing to come into this basketcase for only 4 months? And then unless we line up the builder early, they'll have less time to start the rebuild and either way they'll be doing so without ever having managed us for an actual match. 1
Jakemoore Posted 28 January Posted 28 January I know we’re limited for money due to a bit of misfortune and a lot of mismanagement. But surely the incentive here is a big juicy bonus for keeping us up and even more juicy bonus for reaching the play-offs. For what it’s worth, I think if by some miracle, we finished the season well and made a late dash into the play offs and then by an even bigger miracle, went up, it would be to our detriment. I think we actually need to stay down for a few years and to rebuild properly. We need a Big Sam type manager to come in and just keep us up. Then we can rebuild properly in the summer. But not Russell Martin. Russell Martin can **** off. I’m bored of tippy tappy football. 1
winteriscoming Posted 28 January Author Posted 28 January My worry would be if we wait for Skubala till the summer someone else will come in for him. If we go lower league him and Challinor should be under consideration.
lcfc278 Posted 28 January Posted 28 January I say leave it with Kingy until the end of the season. Main urgency and focus now should be on getting in the right staff above the manager in the next month, and let them be part of the selection process for the next manager. Rushing to get someone in now while options are limited I can just see it going wrong and then us having to do it all again at the end of the season or early next season anyway. 3
indierich06 Posted 28 January Posted 28 January 2 minutes ago, LeePhilpottsBaldSpot said: I'd like it in the summer - not mid-season into a relegation fight with a burning dressing room. The last two managers have been prospects who drowned in the job. Let's get some experience in the dugout until the summer - then go for a longer-term option like Skubala. I don't particularly think we're in a relegation fight, we're closer to the playoffs than the relegation zone. Definition of mid table, we win 1-2 games then lose 1-2 games, throw in the occasional draw here and there. This will obviously change based on any points deduction we get, and the club will likely have some idea of what that might be. I'm wary of just going for 'has managed a lot of teams/games in the championship and will give the players a kick up the arse' as our main metric for getting someone through the door - the last time we tried to get someone with a bit of experience in to shore things up, it was Dean Smith and we got relegated. It just smacks of a lack of confidence to me personally. I would take someone like Pearson until the summer, provided the board were clear it was an interim job, but from what I've read they want to make a permanent appointment, which means whoever we go for is likely to be here beyond the summer. I'd really like the owner and the board to think about what they want this football club to be, what it's identity is - and be brave and appoint a manager with a long term strategy. This experiment which started well with Rodgers and has basically seen us in decline ever since needs to end, we need a reset. I don't think appointing a firefighter is going to help us in the long run unfortunately, neither will appointing another possession merchant.
TheGoldenGod Posted 28 January Posted 28 January Just now, lcfc278 said: I say leave it with Kingy until the end of the season. Main urgency and focus now should be on getting in the right staff above the manager in the next month, and let them be part of the selection process for the next manager. Rushing to get someone in now while options are limited I can just see it going wrong and then us having to do it all again at the end of the season or early next season anyway. Exactly what I said...feels like people are desperate to just get the next guy available rather than taking time and considering options. Stick with Kingy! 2
indierich06 Posted 28 January Posted 28 January 7 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said: Agree. We need a firefighter from now until May. Then someone else - a builder - from the summer onwards. Problem is, who is willing to come into this basketcase for only 4 months? And then unless we line up the builder early, they'll have less time to start the rebuild and either way they'll be doing so without ever having managed us for an actual match. Tbh, if you're out of work - like Rowett, for example - a cushy 4 month contract on big money at the 5* Seagrave Hotel & Spa would be pretty enticing tbh. If you keep us up, it boosts your profile, maybe you get a perm contract, if we go down - "oh well, they were a basket case and they got a pts deduction". Sounds like the owners don't want an interim anyway.
Popular Post ClaphamFox Posted 28 January Popular Post Posted 28 January 2 minutes ago, lcfc278 said: I say leave it with Kingy until the end of the season. Main urgency and focus now should be on getting in the right staff above the manager in the next month, and let them be part of the selection process for the next manager. Rushing to get someone in now while options are limited I can just see it going wrong and then us having to do it all again at the end of the season or early next season anyway. 1 minute ago, TheGoldenGod said: Exactly what I said...feels like people are desperate to just get the next guy available rather than taking time and considering options. Stick with Kingy! You seriously want to trust somebody with zero managerial experience, and not even that much coaching experience, with guiding our mentally fragile, horribly underperforming squad through a very tough relegation battle? Can you explain why you think King is the best person for that job? 8
teblin Posted 28 January Posted 28 January If we went with king until the end of the season he would 100% need an experienced coach with him that maybe has managed before.
inckley fox Posted 28 January Posted 28 January 4 minutes ago, lcfc278 said: I say leave it with Kingy until the end of the season. Main urgency and focus now should be on getting in the right staff above the manager in the next month, and let them be part of the selection process for the next manager. Rushing to get someone in now while options are limited I can just see it going wrong and then us having to do it all again at the end of the season or early next season anyway. I've not seen anything of him yet, so wouldn't know whether someone so inexperienced can handle a very difficult job which typically might require a good bit of experience. Of course, we probably only need a short--term fix to avoid relegation and promoted interims often pull that off. One of many dangers is that a useful interim becomes a not-so-useful long-term project. Whether that's King or not. But if we're looking at Coleman, who secured Sunderland's relegation to L1 in 2018 or whenever it was, or Rowett, who was involved (though not especially culpable) in Birmingham's two years ago, then we really are ticking all the wrong boxes, both short and long term. So maybe King isn't such a dumb option. 1
TheGoldenGod Posted 28 January Posted 28 January 5 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: You seriously want to trust somebody with zero managerial experience, and not even that much coaching experience, with guiding our mentally fragile, horribly underperforming squad through a very tough relegation battle? Can you explain why you think King is the best person for that job? I could be wrong but I've seen zero reports that the names being banded about are gonna be here for just 6 months? Have the mentality we're going down anyway with a PD that I don't see anyone worth their salt dropping in for that short period...and if they're here for longer than absolutely not!
TJB-fox Posted 28 January Posted 28 January 6 minutes ago, Happy Fox said: Aiyawatt will probably go for Steven Gerrard. Have you seen the list we’re linked with? SG would be a blessing in comparison.
ClaphamFox Posted 28 January Posted 28 January 3 minutes ago, TJB-fox said: Have you seen the list we’re linked with? SG would be a blessing in comparison. Why?
Happy Fox Posted 28 January Posted 28 January 3 minutes ago, TJB-fox said: Have you seen the list we’re linked with? SG would be a blessing in comparison. He will go for the higher profile options, but they will all turn us down and then we are left with the shilo ones.
Katy Posted 28 January Posted 28 January Maybe we could do a pre-contract now with Skubala, he could finish getting Lincoln promoted and then come to us. That way we secure him without the fear of losing him to another club. That’s if we want him, of course, and if he wants to come to us. In the meantime, get an experienced out of work manager in to help Kingy until the end of the season.
VLC86 Posted 28 January Posted 28 January 2 minutes ago, Katy said: Maybe we could do a pre-contract now with Skubala, he could finish getting Lincoln promoted and then come to us. That way we secure him without the fear of losing him to another club. That’s if we want him, of course, and if he wants to come to us. In the meantime, get an experienced out of work manager in to help Kingy until the end of the season. Recon he would be buzzing to take Lincoln up and then join us in that division again. 3
ashbyj Posted 28 January Posted 28 January 1 hour ago, indierich06 said: He's finished - he's back in Sweden managing their national team isn't he? Never know maybe top wants him as the new sporting director.
Spudulike Posted 28 January Posted 28 January Not Kingy, too much heart over head. I don't want to hear him being abused after half a dozen winless matches. I know nothing about Skubala other than what's been discussed on here and Google. However, could be less of a risk than some of the names being mentioned from the Euro leagues. I don't think we are yet at the point of needing a short-term firefighter as we still have half a season left. I hope that the 'panel' are looking towards a long-term appointment as have other Championship clubs over the past couple of months. Don't want this season written off.
MaidstoneFox Posted 28 January Posted 28 January Surely anyone who thinks Coleman is a good option need only re-watch the 'Sunderland 'til I die' 2017-18 documentary and their catastrophic relegation from the championship. Appointing him would effectively be replaying history with Harry Winks re-cast in the Jack Rodwell role. 2
ClaphamFox Posted 28 January Posted 28 January 1 minute ago, MaidstoneFox said: Surely anyone who thinks Coleman is a good option need only re-watch the 'Sunderland 'til I die' 2017-18 documentary and their catastrophic relegation from the championship. Appointing him would effectively be replaying history with Harry Winks re-cast in the Jack Rodwell role. I don't think anybody does to be fair.
Fox1norfolk Posted 28 January Posted 28 January 32 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: Why? SG has a bit of an edge in his character and I suspect he would not accept any b…s… from this mob of uninterested players
UniFox21 Posted 28 January Posted 28 January 45 minutes ago, Happy Fox said: Aiyawatt will probably go for Steven Gerrard. Fwiw, I think he'd do well here. Yes he won't be the one who'd carry you to mid table prem. But he'd definitely drive quality standards and have us for promotion 2
fox in the sox Posted 28 January Posted 28 January 1 hour ago, lcfc278 said: I say leave it with Kingy until the end of the season. Main urgency and focus now should be on getting in the right staff above the manager in the next month, and let them be part of the selection process for the next manager. Rushing to get someone in now while options are limited I can just see it going wrong and then us having to do it all again at the end of the season or early next season anyway. Why? I think you are only saying that because he is a popular ex player. He has been involved in the shambles this season and has no managerial experience.
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