Squad fitness

[VLC86]

37 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

I feel I cant say with an assumption its accurate word for word, but it was something along the lines the place became too comfortable for a place of work, a sauna type experience, instead of a training ground.

That’s not really commenting on fitness though is it.

[Nobbyburton]

20 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

If your place of work is a word class training facility with everything an athlete could ever want and you decide to dick about, I hate to say it but the fault doesn't lie with the objectively fantastic facilities.

+1

 

Why haven’t Man City struggled after moving to their state of the art Etihad campus? 
 

We’ve just spent the last 4/5 years buying average, arrogant mercenaries. It’s completely irrelevant where they train.
 

Admittedly if you have those types of players, a spa retreat training ground will not necessarily help…but that doesn’t make it the problem. 

Edited 12 December 2025 by Nobbyburton

[Winstonthedog]

1 hour ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

Okay, so it's the players not Seagrave? 

Having spent time at both the main difference I found was the atmosphere around the place .... Spagrave has none at all ... they should be able to train anywhere.. but it has to be interesting innovative and enjoyable.. not mundane... which I suspect it is .... hence the lacklustre style of play 

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[Miquel The Work Geordie]

7 minutes ago, Winstonthedog said:

Having spent time at both the main difference I found was the atmosphere around the place .... Spagrave has none at all ... they should be able to train anywhere.. but it has to be interesting innovative and enjoyable.. not mundane... which I suspect it is .... hence the lacklustre style of play 

 

Sorry but elite athletes thinking facilities are too good is a bit of a bridge for me

[Stadt]

We should have built a shit training facility for £120m.

 

Vichai facilitated it, the decline started as Top began to take the reigns which was incidental to moving to Seagrave.

 

[Winstonthedog]

12 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

Sorry but elite athletes thinking facilities are too good is a bit of a bridge for me

Elite athletes.... cannot be used in any sentence involving our players 

[Samilktray]

Back to blaming Seagrave are we lmao 

[5waller5]

Yet another symptom of the lack of accountability and poor leadership

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

23 minutes ago, Winstonthedog said:

Elite athletes.... cannot be used in any sentence involving our players 

 

But that isn't the fault of Seagrave? We've just bought a load of bellends? You're proving my point?

[CosbehFox]

Hate to break to everyone but the fitness staff are the same team that Pearson brought in and was then retained 

[westernpark]

Just now, CosbehFox said:

Hate to break to everyone but the fitness staff are the same team that Pearson brought in and was then retained 

Sometimes see ‘Reeves’ on Tetuan Road. I struggled to think he was the issue but maybe he is- and others. 

[Globalfox]

14 hours ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

Okay, so it's the players not Seagrave? 

I believe it goes deeper than just the players read the resumes of many of the fitness, medical staff. I sit near many of the ‘tactics’ coaches home and away and the topics you hear just blow my mind. A facility does not set the tone it’s the people in it. I feel we don’t have a top class fitness regime look at how many of our players challenge and are blown off the ball, we have no upper body strength there is no core work. A light breeze and Daka, Ayew, Fatawu and Madvadidi fall over.

[Chelmofox]

8 minutes ago, Globalfox said:

I believe it goes deeper than just the players read the resumes of many of the fitness, medical staff. I sit near many of the ‘tactics’ coaches home and away and the topics you hear just blow my mind. A facility does not set the tone it’s the people in it. I feel we don’t have a top class fitness regime look at how many of our players challenge and are blown off the ball, we have no upper body strength there is no core work. A light breeze and Daka, Ayew, Fatawu and Madvadidi fall over.

In what way?

[Chrysalis]

14 hours ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

Okay, so it's the players not Seagrave? 

You draw your own conclusions, but basically the shift was from a change of location, not a change of players or coaches.

The environment essentially came too comfortable and luxurious.

[Chrysalis]

13 hours ago, Stadt said:

We should have built a shit training facility for £120m.

 

Vichai facilitated it, the decline started as Top began to take the reigns which was incidental to moving to Seagrave.

 

Probably Vichai's second obvious mistake, the first was the appointment of Sousa our worst ever manager.
We would be in a better place now if were still at the old training ground but had the stadium upgraded instead.

[Guest]

I sort of hope we do sell Seagrave off purely to put an end to the inane arguments about how we got relegated and went down the pan because our facilities were somehow too good

[Stadt]

1 hour ago, Chrysalis said:

Probably Vichai's second obvious mistake, the first was the appointment of Sousa our worst ever manager.
We would be in a better place now if were still at the old training ground but had the stadium upgraded instead.

Seagrave is a huge asset still and it’s good we did it, but we should have expanded the ground first.

[st albans fox]

3 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Seagrave is a huge asset still and it’s good we did it, but we should have expanded the ground first.

Spurs did it the same as we did 

Man City did it the same as we did 

arsenal did it the same as we did 

 

there is no right or wrong way 

some clubs upgrade their training facilities before they upgrade their stadiums 

[Stadt]

49 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Spurs did it the same as we did 

Man City did it the same as we did 

arsenal did it the same as we did 

 

there is no right or wrong way 

some clubs upgrade their training facilities before they upgrade their stadiums 

Seagrave incurs greater direct costs, whereas the ground expansion would have generated more revenue. In a sense the expansion could have helped fund Seagrave.

 

Ground expansion was more time sensitive too. Capitalising on the fan demand and increased commercial interest would have made sense.

[Chelmofox]

Held back on this a bit following the Bristol game.

 

I thought Ipswich looked particularly leggy. 

 

I moan about my own team not putting a 90 minute performance together, but i've not see other teams do it either. Most teams seem to be able to put a 40 minute burst together, and seem to spend a lot of the game conserving energy.

 

3 games in 7 days and not much rotation meant that we did this as well, but so did Derby, Bristol and Ipswich. 

 

The key seems to be having the ability to see out games when you are conserving energy.

 

So many games in this divison. 

[whoareyaaa]

On 12/12/2025 at 19:06, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

If your place of work is a word class training facility with everything an athlete could ever want and you decide to dick about, I hate to say it but the fault doesn't lie with the objectively fantastic facilities.

It's the wind

[Chrysalis]

On 13/12/2025 at 11:49, Stadt said:

Seagrave is a huge asset still and it’s good we did it, but we should have expanded the ground first.

Asset in what way, its an asset financially in terms of the land, but what else?
At least we agree on the ground should have been done as a priority.

[Stadt]

13 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

Asset in what way, its an asset financially in terms of the land, but what else?
At least we agree on the ground should have been done as a priority.

An asset in attracting first team, academy players, staff. It's worth doing

[Collymore]

Again we looked like we were blowing out of our backsides after about an hour and the team looked like they'd been on the lash constantly over the festive period. 

 

I don't think I can remember such a poorly conditioned side under any regime. 

 

Thought Rodgers' teams were bad at the start of seasons sometimes but this is a new level. 

[Corky]

The amount of fouls we give away and the sluggishness of our play are telling.