6 point deduction - confirmed

[coolhandfox]

3 hours ago, Sky Blues said:

Top doesn't have the money to continue the total mismanagement at your club. He hasn't had it for about the last 5 or 6 years. 

Classic you have a great win and you are still here talking about us.

 

Living rent free in your head.......

[tinpot_fox]

17 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

The amount of seconds chances they have had as well. 

 

Even promotion under Enzo after the most embarrassing of relegations. Still a chance to fix things. 

 

Even this season, the amount of academy players that you could look to to build a team around was unprecedented. 

 

So many chances, and I just hope we haven't ran out of our last one.

In hindsight a quick whip round of FoxesTalk folk for a cheeky laxative laced ruby Murray and a bung to a certain much maligned goalkeeper before certain (all?) matches a couple or three seasons ago would have seen the blue of a different city become a bit more sad instead of us. So you see it was all in FoxesTalk’s hands all along and we only have ourselves to blame.

[Gamble92]

6 minutes ago, tinpot_fox said:

In hindsight a quick whip round of FoxesTalk folk for a cheeky laxative laced ruby Murray and a bung to a certain much maligned goalkeeper before certain (all?) matches a couple or three seasons ago would have seen the blue of a different city become a bit more sad instead of us. So you see it was all in FoxesTalk’s hands all along and we only have ourselves to blame.

Are you suggesting dodgy lasagne for Danny Ward? 

[Terraloon]

8 hours ago, kenny said:

The English game is restructuring itself. I think the interest in it has peaked and Nd it's on the way down. The PL has trashed it's own product.

 

Bring on the super league.

The reality in all this is that the world wide attraction of the PL still grows. World wide broadcasting income isn’t static indeed that area of income growth continues. 

 

Hard to accept I know but the bigger clubs in football, and thats the likes of Man U, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and maybe Spurs are the main draw when it comes to TV audiences.
 

The draw of many of the other PL clubs such as Wolves, Bournemouth, Brentford and probably even Newcastle is limited and when it comes to the Championship clubs and that includes Leicester sadly the only way a television deal of any value could  be negotiated by the EFL  was from a broadcaster that needed to add something to their main PL  package. Along  with the deals for the SPL in terms the additional sky subscriptions that EFL  and Scottish football attracts is minimal.
 

Sky in my opinion is a villain and a good guy when it comes to broadcasting at some point they will loose the bulk of the domestic Sky packages and that will be ITV and some in terms of the financial Armageddon most EFL clubs will suffer not only will broadcasting income drop but without the TV exposure the advertising income and probably sponsorship deals be far less lucrative. 

 

If you look at accounts down through the pyramid  most clubs are trading in a manner that potentially would  lead to insolvency. Should a SL eventually be formed be it a British/English or European league then that in all likelihood would send financial shockwaves down through the pyramid  . Sky almost certainly wouldn’t be able to afford to attain the broadcasting rights and the likelihood is that the league would in partnership with one of the huge conglomerates such as Amazon would step up and as we know already the likes of TNT & Amazon who already have some of the smaller domestic PL deals show no appetite for games that don’t involve PL clubs.

 

But worse would be if the super league ,if formed, were to break from the current regulatory bodies namely the FA, UEFA and FIFA. These keep many things in check, I know at times  it doesn’t seems so. In just one simple area such as stability of players contracts that would enable the real big boys to laugh at the security of players contracts affords clubs .

 

On that point we are sadly already reaching a point where EU rulings where FIFA will just as they did when the Bosman  and Webster rulings be forced into amendments to their rules particularly around compensation when a player decides to leave before their contract ends and claiming Sporting Just Cause.

[tinpot_fox]

2 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

Are you suggesting dodgy lasagne for Danny Ward? 

Uncooked and stiff as a statue or over cooked and floppy flailing spaghetti?

[Spudulike]

[Sky Blues]

2 hours ago, Sly said:

 

 

King Power wobbled during 2019 - 2022 as they had less than 18m visitors over a 3 year period.

 

When your income is impacted so significantly, all

investments will suffer. However they weren’t short on money and still hold a large property portfolio and assets outside King Power itself that sit within other businesses. 

It's fine having a large property portfolio but it is cash that's needed. From what I can make out of the situation you've been losing about 5m a month all in one average. This has been mainly covered by taking your Prem payments early. If the cash was available and those in charge were willing to put it into your club they wouldn't have been taking the payments early which costs a few million ago year.

 

Because of the business reorganisation King Power don't have full control like they used to. We will find out at some stage how much of a difference it has made. But the problem you do have is are they looking at reducing their costs. The big loss maker in the group is your football club. Have they got the cash to continue to keep your club ticking over in the hope of getting back to the Prem? Would getting relegated be devastating for your club and that's the only reason for belatedly appealing the points deduction?  

[Sly]

1 hour ago, Sky Blues said:

It's fine having a large property portfolio but it is cash that's needed. From what I can make out of the situation you've been losing about 5m a month all in one average. This has been mainly covered by taking your Prem payments early. If the cash was available and those in charge were willing to put it into your club they wouldn't have been taking the payments early which costs a few million ago year.

 

Because of the business reorganisation King Power don't have full control like they used to. We will find out at some stage how much of a difference it has made. But the problem you do have is are they looking at reducing their costs. The big loss maker in the group is your football club. Have they got the cash to continue to keep your club ticking over in the hope of getting back to the Prem? Would getting relegated be devastating for your club and that's the only reason for belatedly appealing the points deduction?  

All valid questions / statements to be honest.

 

I think it’s all so murky that no one knows.
 

For all we know, they might be just hanging it out to dry as a sole entity, that they want to stand on its own two feet. That simply doesn’t work in football if you want to be successful. 

 

I’m not sure if they are appealing because we’re in trouble, they feel wronged, they’re saving face, or just generally stupid at this point. 

[Sly]

2 hours ago, Terraloon said:

The reality in all this is that the world wide attraction of the PL still grows. World wide broadcasting income isn’t static indeed that area of income growth continues. 

 

Hard to accept I know but the bigger clubs in football, and thats the likes of Man U, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and maybe Spurs are the main draw when it comes to TV audiences.
 

The draw of many of the other PL clubs such as Wolves, Bournemouth, Brentford and probably even Newcastle is limited and when it comes to the Championship clubs and that includes Leicester sadly the only way a television deal of any value could  be negotiated by the EFL  was from a broadcaster that needed to add something to their main PL  package. Along  with the deals for the SPL in terms the additional sky subscriptions that EFL  and Scottish football attracts is minimal.
 

Sky in my opinion is a villain and a good guy when it comes to broadcasting at some point they will loose the bulk of the domestic Sky packages and that will be ITV and some in terms of the financial Armageddon most EFL clubs will suffer not only will broadcasting income drop but without the TV exposure the advertising income and probably sponsorship deals be far less lucrative. 

 

If you look at accounts down through the pyramid  most clubs are trading in a manner that potentially would  lead to insolvency. Should a SL eventually be formed be it a British/English or European league then that in all likelihood would send financial shockwaves down through the pyramid  . Sky almost certainly wouldn’t be able to afford to attain the broadcasting rights and the likelihood is that the league would in partnership with one of the huge conglomerates such as Amazon would step up and as we know already the likes of TNT & Amazon who already have some of the smaller domestic PL deals show no appetite for games that don’t involve PL clubs.

 

But worse would be if the super league ,if formed, were to break from the current regulatory bodies namely the FA, UEFA and FIFA. These keep many things in check, I know at times  it doesn’t seems so. In just one simple area such as stability of players contracts that would enable the real big boys to laugh at the security of players contracts affords clubs .

 

On that point we are sadly already reaching a point where EU rulings where FIFA will just as they did when the Bosman  and Webster rulings be forced into amendments to their rules particularly around compensation when a player decides to leave before their contract ends and claiming Sporting Just Cause.

I can some them restructuring it  at some point to make it two leagues or 16, with a Premier League A & B.

 

Then some form of a knockout system for the teams that finish top.

 

All very American but again, larger audiences, more eyes.l, more money etc! 
 

This will then be a Premier League Streaming Service as a stand alone.

 

That then bites the hand that feeds it. 

[katieakita]

Follow this from a distance and running a Post Office i see plenty of wrongdoing and corruption and people getting treated very differently. Please correct me but the appeal is going through an independent appeals process? so why are the Premier League saying it will be resolved before the end of the season. How independent is this panel

[MPH]

2 minutes ago, katieakita said:

Follow this from a distance and running a Post Office i see plenty of wrongdoing and corruption and people getting treated very differently. Please correct me but the appeal is going through an independent appeals process? so why are the Premier League saying it will be resolved before the end of the season. How independent is this panel

 

 

i would expect  it needs to go through as quickly as possible to avoid any legal challenges to our potential relegation.  If it doesn’t, it would be a fair question for us to ask  how can we be relegated without  a final decision on the points deduction 

[hackneyfox]

14 hours ago, Sky Blues said:

Hi Hackers good to see you again 😊 

 

And yes you certainly are 😂

Hi,

Who are/were you on the diagonals board?

[Stadt]

2 hours ago, Spudulike said:

 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

4 hours ago, Spudulike said:

[davieG]

5 hours ago, Terraloon said:

Should a SL eventually be formed be it a British/English or European league

The 6 would only join this if it was instead of the current UEFA comps I don't believe they have any thoughts of leaving the PL. If that's the case the likes of TNT would grab the SL and Sky would stick with the PL/FL/SPL

[lcfcbluearmy]

18 hours ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Feel like if an appeal was ‘always’ going to happen, they’d have hit the appeal button before even leaving the tribunal 

 

Unless of course we’re just slow to act (again)

Its common practice to wait until the deadline to submit an appeal as it gives the other party the least amount of notice and time to prepare for your defence. We could have known we were going to appeal immediately and already have a case completely written and still not submit until the deadline in fact thats pretty likely 

[kenny]

1 minute ago, davieG said:

The 6 would only join this if it was instead of the current UEFA comps I don't believe they have any thoughts of leaving the PL. If that's the case the likes of TNT would grab the SL and Sky would stick with the PL/FL/SPL

If the PL prevents matches moving abroad then I reckon they will be happy to leave the football pyramid behind.

 

The new super premier league(s) will include Saudi, USA and European clubs playing wherever pays the best around the world. No relegations possible as long as you can afford to be there, plenty of advertising and cash, minimal regulations and no morals.

 

I'm all for it.

[davieG]

27 minutes ago, kenny said:

If the PL prevents matches moving abroad then I reckon they will be happy to leave the football pyramid behind.

 

The new super premier league(s) will include Saudi, USA and European clubs playing wherever pays the best around the world. No relegations possible as long as you can afford to be there, plenty of advertising and cash, minimal regulations and no morals.

 

I'm all for it.

Whatever structure any future SL takes I still believe the 6 will want both a SL and the PL. The SL on it's own will unlikely provide all the games they'd lose from the PL at the moment they've got the PL and Europe, PL and SL seems an acceptable replacement with greater financial rewards from the SL than they currently get from UEFA.

[Terraloon]

2 hours ago, katieakita said:

Follow this from a distance and running a Post Office i see plenty of wrongdoing and corruption and people getting treated very differently. Please correct me but the appeal is going through an independent appeals process? so why are the Premier League saying it will be resolved before the end of the season. How independent is this panel

That’s not what the PL said. 
 

Here’s exactly what they have put out

 

To provide certainty for all clubs and fans, the Premier League will be seeking to have the appeal resolved urgently, and in any event before the end of the EFL season.

 

The timings in terms of how long LC or the PL will be allowed to submit all their papers is guided primarily by the PL rulebook but it’s perfectly in line with those rules for either party to ask for more time. All I believe the PL is saying is that in any of  their submissions to the IC they will ask for time lines to be enforced rigorously.The ultimate decision is exclusively in the hands 

 

The parties are given 14 days from publication of the written reasons to appeal and you can’t just say “We appeal”  you have to provide far more details re the  grounds .  Bear  in mind that it’s unlikely that the IC will allow any further evidence be produced the appeal therefore  will be around what the panel got it wrong or at least in the eyes of the appellant . As I said yesterday the PL can and will make comment at the hearing around the quantum and process the IC adopted to arrive at the sanctions and yes they may well be arguing that the failure to submit will be an aggravating and if that succeeds that could in itself cause the appeal board to amend the points deduction.

 

I understand why LC appealed indeed I pointed out some weeks ago factors that needed to be taken into account by the club when making the call but even if the points deduction is suspended at the point of the last game it’s within the rules of the EFL to implement points a  deduction  way past the last league games of the season. My belief is that they can be applied right up to the time of the league AGM which will be at some time in June

 

 

 

[Terraloon]

4 minutes ago, davieG said:

Whatever structure any future SL takes I still believe the 6 will want both a SL and the PL. The SL on it's own will unlikely provide all the games they'd lose from the PL at the moment they've got the PL and Europe, PL and SL seems an acceptable replacement with greater financial rewards from the SL than they currently get from UEFA.

There are sorts of options and one of which we shouldn’t loose sight of is the club World Cup.

 

The failed SL wasn’t any alternative to the PL it was an add on that would have replaced the CL. Where they got in wrong in planning was not having a promotion and relegation mechanism had they thought that aspect through pretty sure we would have either seen it introduced by now or it was to be implemented very soon.

 

The fall out from the failed SL hasn’t really forbidden such a league say under the control of UEFA or come to that FIFA but you can bet your bottom dollar that the top European leagues will be exchanging views as to how a SL project could be revisited but don’t dismiss the possibility that the PL could be revamped as I said less clubs and maybe a couple of games less alongside a UEFA SL, aUEFA EL and a UEFA Conference where all clubs  (8) that weren’t subject to either of the 2 relegation places qualify for those UEFA tournaments 

[Long Eaton Fox]

Worst case scenario. 

 

9 point deduction 

Relegation to league  one 

Administration 

20 point deduction 

Start next season -20

Relegation to league two

It is possible 😢

[marketharboroughfox]

34 minutes ago, Long Eaton Fox said:

Worst case scenario. 

 

9 point deduction 

Relegation to league  one 

Administration 

20 point deduction 

Start next season -20

Relegation to league two

It is possible 😢

The worst case scenario is for the club to cease to exist. Not happening.

 

There is invariably a 'white knight' who comes in to relieve clubs of owners who've given up. Sometimes takes a little while, but nearly always one shows up.

[Likely Fox]

Probably 

[CrazyKopCorner]

Why are the Premier League not all over the **** of Man City and ****ing Chelsea. 

 

****ing bully boy ***** 

[Long Eaton Fox]

1 hour ago, marketharboroughfox said:

The worst case scenario is for the club to cease to exist. Not happening.

 

There is invariably a 'white knight' who comes in to relieve clubs of owners who've given up. Sometimes takes a little while, but nearly always one shows up.

Hope you're right