Southampton (H) Tuesday 7.45pm

Pita · 9 February

17 hours ago, HarryDee8 said:

Funny how in 6 months, they look like a stronger team then us.

That’s not hard we are useless

DJ Barry Hammond · 9 February

29 minutes ago, SB87_LCFC said:

We are clearly lacking options so I would punt for one of

Begovic

Aluko Lascelles (c) Nelson

Skipp Winks

Page Mukasa

Fatawu Daka Mavididi

3-4-3 attacking, 4-5-1 defending, with Skip doing the emergency CB in that shape

That is awful.

Any manager that sent out that formation/line-up should get their P45 immediately.

1.) You’d get killed, both down the flanks and in the middle with that.

2.) You’ve picked 3 centre halves… but then have your midfield ball winner dropping into the back line - WHY!?!

3.) If you only have 2 players playing on the flanks - you do not want them on opposite sides to their stronger foot so their instinct is to drive inwards.

You already lack width and have plenty of bodies inside - so to put Fawatu on the right and Mac on the left in this formation is nonsensical.

4.) A box 4 midfield is something you should be created as a rotation from original positions - so say the 3 midfielders, plus one of the wide men, the striker or an inverting full-back.

That makes it fluid and unpredictable.

Having it set on paper as the starting formation however like you have done will cause issues because your asking players to make that shape from the get go - at which point it becomes very rigid and predictable for the opposition.

5.) The formation has no deep threat.

Having that many bodies positioned that high from the get go will be counterproductive; players will be filling space rather than moving into it and just become very easy to zonally mark out of the game.

6.) Despite the supposed 3-2 base of the formation; it would be week in transition due to the intended high position of your wide men and the two advanced midfielders.

A direct consequence of this would be your central defenders having to go into wide areas to defend; increasing the spacing between them in the process, lessening their ability to cover through balls / track runs.

Additionally, if Skipp is to slot in to make it a back 4… that leaves Winks on his own in the middle and it’s very notable he is not Kante.

Anyway - to conclude, these are just some of the reasons why you won’t see anything like this… from any manager of any club.

And honestly - a back 3 is not the answer to not only our defensive problems… but also our emerging attacking problems.

Edited 9 February by DJ Barry Hammond

Chelmofox · 9 February

15 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

That is awful.

Any manager that sent out that formation/line-up should get their P45 immediately.

1.) You’d get killed, both down the flanks and in the middle with that.

2.) You’ve picked 3 centre halves… but then have your midfield ball winner dropping into the back line - WHY!?!

3.) If you only have 2 players playing on the flanks - you do not want them on opposite sides to their stronger foot so their instinct is to drive inwards.

You already lack width and have plenty of bodies inside - so to put Fawatu on the right and Mac on the left in this formation is nonsensical.

4.) A box 4 midfield is something you should be created as a rotation from original positions - so say the 3 midfielders, plus one of the wide men, the striker or an inverting full-back.

That makes it fluid and unpredictable.

Having it set on paper as the starting formation however like you have done will cause issues because your asking players to make that shape from the get go - at which point it becomes very rigid and predictable for the opposition.

5.) The formation has no deep threat.

Having that many bodies positioned that high from the get go will be counterproductive; players will be filling space rather than moving into it and just become very easy to zonally mark out of the game.

6.) Despite the supposed 3-2 base of the formation; it would be week in transition due to the intended high position of your wide men and the two advanced midfielders.

A direct consequence of this would be your central defenders having to go into wide areas to defend; increasing the spacing between them in the process, lessening their ability to cover through balls / track runs.

Additionally, if Skipp is to slot in to make it a back 4… that leaves Winks on his own in the middle and it’s very notable he is not Kante.

Anyway - to conclude, these are just some of the reasons why you won’t see anything like this… from any manager of any club.

And honestly - a back 3 is not the answer to not only our defensive problems… but also our emerging attacking problems.

Can we put you down as a 'maybe' then?

Katy · 9 February

1 hour ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

Problem is, there is plenty of evidence from on the pitch performances that our fans hostile stance to all things around the club is having an impact on the players.

Take Ricardo’s mistake on Saturday for example - an unthinkable one from someone like him;

That mistake had nothing to do with his physical condition regardless of whether you think he’s past it or not - that was a mental mistake and that comes from pressure and lack of confidence.

Monga is another, who’s performances don’t look as free flowing as they did - and it becomes difficult for a manager to give and young kid minutes if the general stadium atmosphere is less than supportive (even if the abuse isn’t aimed directly at those younger players - because if they see senior players getting stick, then are they not going to play it safe and within themselves as well?).

For another example, look at how much better James Justin is doing at Leeds now he’s being used properly and moved away from a set of supporters that were calling him shit on social media every week for the past two years.

Now I’m not appealing to you not to protest, “boooo” or shout obscenity towards any of our players etc - you pay for your ticket, you can do what you want.

BUT - don’t kid yourself that those sort of actions are not becoming a significant contributing factor to the plight we’re in now and the performances that you are witnessing.

The bond between fans and players, the mutual love, that was so powerfully there on that wonderful night in Preston - has gone; and that is a big, big issue for the club.

In theory you’re bang on but, and I can only speak for home games as I’ve stopped going away, we do start off ‘backing the lads’ but within minutes they’ve made an error or conceded a goal or they’re playing like they can’t be arsed. It works both ways, it’s difficult for fans to come back from the lack of effort on the pitch and so we have this stalemate of the toxicity in the stands and what we’re seeing in the pitch. I wish it was always Preston away type vibes but we’re so far from that now, it’s depressing.

Keyworth63 · 9 February

1 hour ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

Problem is, there is plenty of evidence from on the pitch performances that our fans hostile stance to all things around the club is having an impact on the players.

Take Ricardo’s mistake on Saturday for example - an unthinkable one from someone like him;

That mistake had nothing to do with his physical condition regardless of whether you think he’s past it or not - that was a mental mistake and that comes from pressure and lack of confidence.

Monga is another, who’s performances don’t look as free flowing as they did - and it becomes difficult for a manager to give and young kid minutes if the general stadium atmosphere is less than supportive (even if the abuse isn’t aimed directly at those younger players - because if they see senior players getting stick, then are they not going to play it safe and within themselves as well?).

For another example, look at how much better James Justin is doing at Leeds now he’s being used properly and moved away from a set of supporters that were calling him shit on social media every week for the past two years.

Now I’m not appealing to you not to protest, “boooo” or shout obscenity towards any of our players etc - you pay for your ticket, you can do what you want.

BUT - don’t kid yourself that those sort of actions are not becoming a significant contributing factor to the plight we’re in now and the performances that you are witnessing.

The bond between fans and players, the mutual love, that was so powerfully there on that wonderful night in Preston - has gone; and that is a big, big issue for the club.

I agree with this post by DJ Barry Hammond. We all have the right to express our views and acknowledge that these complaints are driven by a desire for future improvement, but remember the protests have many consequences. Some of the toxicity spewed on here and fan channels are likely to be detrimental to current team performances, as they get spread and amplified by the "sheeple".

DJ Barry Hammond · 9 February

27 minutes ago, Keyworth63 said:

I agree with this post by DJ Barry Hammond. We all have the right to express our views and acknowledge that these complaints are driven by a desire for future improvement, but remember the protests have many consequences. Some of the toxicity spewed on here and fan channels are likely to be detrimental to current team performances, as they get spread and amplified by the "sheeple".

I get where it’s stemming from, I really do.

And it’s not a situation just isolated to our club, it’s seems to be a growing cultural thing in football now (eg Coventry fans boooed their players off last weekend), especially on social media; nothing constructive, just “x player is shit, blah, blah, blah.”

BUT - I think our fan base has crossed a line at times; like the booooing of Faes at the start of the season.

That wouldn’t have just affected him; that would have reverberated across the squad and has no doubt been a factor to the “can’t be arsed” looking performances that have been witnessed from some since (aside from Ayew who always plays like that 😂).

Negativity sucks energy from a room.

Mean, I hate seeing the level of abuse Luke Thomas gets, because I bet he’s a good honest lad at heart and well liked within the squad.

And you know, the players will see this stuff - and it will effect them as well, not just Luke.

I expect Mavididi is also another one that has consumed too much of his own social media.

Guppys Love Child · 9 February

8 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

I get where it’s stemming from, I really do.

And it’s not a situation just isolated to our club, it’s seems to be a growing cultural thing in football now (eg Coventry fans boooed their players off last weekend), especially on social media; nothing constructive, just “x player is shit, blah, blah, blah.”

BUT - I think our fan base has crossed a line at times; like the booooing of Faes at the start of the season.

That wouldn’t have just affected him; that would have reverberated across the squad and has no doubt been a factor to the “can’t be arsed” looking performances that have been witnessed from some since (aside from Ayew who always plays like that 😂).

Negativity sucks energy from a room.

Mean, I hate seeing the level of abuse Luke Thomas gets, because I bet he’s a good honest lad at heart and well liked within the squad.

And you know, the players will see this stuff - and it will effect them as well, not just Luke.

I expect Mavididi is also another one that has consumed too much of his own social media.

I sure you could be right here.

But what would you put his numerous poor performances down too, his continually being caught out by the oppositions winger and doing his favourite trick of drifting towards our 18 yrd box and not coving the cross coming in? he did it quite a bit last match, enough for me to shout at the TV.

Is it due to the negative vitriol he gets here or is it just the plain and simple fact he just not good enough. Hence the comments he then receives?

Bring a well liked and a nice chap doesn't shield you from receiving scathing comments if your performances are sh1t.

SafewayFox · 9 February

This is what a friend who is a ST holder at St Mary’s said to describe their performance on Saturday -

“We were dreadful on Saturday but have started picking up clean sheets, and it helps that we’ve gone back to basics and been playing 442 recently.”

Depressing how it wasn’t long ago, that Southampton were marooned at the bottom half of the table but they’ve easily leapfrogged us in the league.

oxtonfox · 9 February

23 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

This is what a friend who is a ST holder at St Mary’s said to describe their performance on Saturday -

“We were dreadful on Saturday but have started picking up clean sheets, and it helps that we’ve gone back to basics and been playing 442 recently.”

Depressing how it wasn’t long ago, that Southampton were marooned at the bottom half of the table but they’ve easily leapfrogged us in the league.

Even a hippo would leapfrog us at the moment.

DJ Barry Hammond · 9 February

1 hour ago, Guppys Love Child said:

I sure you could be right here.

But what would you put his numerous poor performances down too, his continually being caught out by the oppositions winger and doing his favourite trick of drifting towards our 18 yrd box and not coving the cross coming in? he did it quite a bit last match, enough for me to shout at the TV.

Is it due to the negative vitriol he gets here or is it just the plain and simple fact he just not good enough. Hence the comments he then receives?

Bring a well liked and a nice chap doesn't shield you from receiving scathing comments if your performances are sh1t.

Well he’s playing against a good calibre of player, so he will get beaten by wingers - just like Fawatu tournaments opposition wingers.

But I’d say there are wider issues in our defensive setup and midfield that don’t help.

Like say on Saturday with Birmingham’s second goal - Wink’s ended up as essentially a third centre half between Lascelles and Nelson marking Stansfield, which is a horrible mismatch.

Now if your defensive setup and shape is more cohesive, one of Lascelles or Nelson should probably be taking charge and taking Stansfield off Winks so he can push on into midfield and help apply pressure on the ball carriers in front - which highlights another issue with Birmingham’s goal, because we were far too passive on Ducksch, we gave him time to pick his head up and spot the pass.

On your comment about the “drifting” I assume you’re on about Dykes goal for Charlton the week before - where Thomas is splitting his position between his man on the edge of the box and providing extra cover for Dykes who is being marked by Nelson.

Now, again, Thomas vs Dykes is a mismatch, so you’re ideally wanting Nelson to be the primary marker.

But a key issue with this goal was Page being too aggressive in the press - which allowed Chambers to easily cut back onto his favoured left foot and pick out a ball of real quality… mean it has to be said, it was sublime by Chambers, it was an inch perfect cross!

And then the other thing to remember with Thomas is Marti was asking him to do a lot in his system - he’d often find himself inside the 18 yard box via open play and that was by design as one of Marti’s “free man” fullbacks.

Big_Nige · 9 February

1 hour ago, Guppys Love Child said:

I sure you could be right here.

But what would you put his numerous poor performances down too, his continually being caught out by the oppositions winger and doing his favourite trick of drifting towards our 18 yrd box and not coving the cross coming in? he did it quite a bit last match, enough for me to shout at the TV.

Is it due to the negative vitriol he gets here or is it just the plain and simple fact he just not good enough. Hence the comments he then receives?

Bring a well liked and a nice chap doesn't shield you from receiving scathing comments if your performances are sh1t.

Let me caveat this by saying I’m as frustrated about the state of this club, the mis-management, the board, the players, and the weather as much as everyone else. I hate everything about us at the moment and I’ve never felt so disillusioned

But football is a mental game just as much as technical. Booing your own players during a game will not suddenly give them a kick up the arse to play better. Confidence breeds confidence. Good performances and good decisions on the pitch come from being confident in your surroundings. Our lot have been in hiding for months, scared to do anything other than choose the safe option on the ball, nobody wants to put their head above the parapet and take leadership and ownership because it puts a target on their back

It’s easy to say they get paid their money they should be able to deal with it, but psychology doesn’t work like that, I guarantee if the crowd tomorrow make it a cauldron of noise, in a positive way towards the players , then you’ll see more of a fighting, battling and brave performance.

Mike1983 · 9 February

We need to stop signing their crap players. Hopefully fans will protest.

Raj · 9 February

My seat will be empty and I will be catching up with Series 2 of Gangs of London(Cant believe Sean isnt dead !) with the Mrs and I wont even bother listening to the tripe on RL.

Cant be bothered with galikng myself into the optimistic walk from Queens Rd to the ground for the optimism to be busted by another calamitous feck up by * add any lcfc player within minutes.

Feck it.

Edited 9 February by Raj

adejo92 · 9 February

1 minute ago, Mike1983 said:

We need to stop signing their crap players. Hopefully fans will protest.

Have you ever tried stand up?

absolutely no way our fanbase, made up of the next best thing to Gilroes, will protest.

Raj · 9 February

12 minutes ago, Mike1983 said:

We need to stop signing their crap players. Hopefully fans will protest.

Fans which applaud them after after another dreadful performance or defeat!!!🤣🤣🤣

Edited 9 February by Raj

BillyFOX12 · 9 February

I miss the days when we used to batter these lot, week in, week out.

Pita · 9 February

5 minutes ago, BillyFOX12 said:

I miss the days when we used to batter these lot, week in, week out.

We won’t tomorrow everyone batters us these days

Reg Vardy · 9 February

Begovic

Aluko Lascelles Nelson Kristiansen

Skipp

Mavididi Winks Musaka/Page Fatawu

Daka

FoxinNotts · 9 February

2 minutes ago, Reg Vardy said:

Begovic

Aluko Lascelles Nelson Kristiansen

Skipp

Mavididi Winks Musaka/Page Fatawu

Daka

Correct

Quorndon_Fox · 9 February

Is this potential turd on TV tomorrow?

Tuna · 9 February

This one is hugely winnable. Need a big performance. Not expecting one. Keeping 11 on the pitch would be a start.

STUHILL · 9 February

Ridiculous that we don't have a new Manager in place for this.
Feel sorry for Kingy

Expecting another loss, unfortunately

squidsworth · 9 February

King with a 100% defeat record by the time he gets out, yet it ain't even his fault in the slightest. Such a shame he has this blot on his landscape.

fox_favourite · 10 February

It's depressing to think that we'll be in the relegation zone by the end of today as I'm not expecting a win at all.

dooflip · 10 February

Not going tonight. Refuse to do it to myself again. Thinking of you all during this difficult period, please tell your loved ones they are in my thoughts.

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