Gary Rowett

[The Guvnor]

Six Managers since June 24 including 2 interims, none have been able to get a tune out of the players, would probably suggest the recruitment of players is the root cause of our decline. I get sick of hearing 'with the quality we have' we shouldn't be languishing at the foot of the table.

What quality ?

[Number 6]

Think he made a mistake not freshening up at half time. Could see the direction the game was heading after the last 20 of the first half. He needed to change it up.

[nettle]

Picking Ayew is pretty shocking really and doesn't look good on Rowett. But to be honest what's the point of an out and out striker when you've got wingers who consistently cut inside almost every time they've got the ball.  The tactics are shit and have been for ages, I thought Rowett might change it up a bit but it's basically the same as Cifuentes served up.

[lcfc_forever]

1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

Have our running stats improved since he arrived ? 

I think they have in the games we've got results from but the performances vs. Norwich and QPR have been shockers - he needs to freshen it up more as the likes of Skipp can't handle three games in a week. 

[lfu]

4 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

Of course they are but we are hiring meh managers with even more meh players.

 

I put more blame on players. Effort is  expected. They've been playing their whole lives, no excuses for how they are performing.

 

Top and rudkin are absolutely the most to blame though.

I agree that the players deserve plenty of blame, but we keep setting them up to fail by hiring mediocre (or sh1te) managers who bring a team of inept coaches with them. You can have all the talent in the world but put them under sunday league coaches in this division and they'll flounder

[lcfc_forever]

2 minutes ago, The Guvnor said:

Six Managers since June 24 including 2 interims, none have been able to get a tune out of the players, would probably suggest the recruitment of players is the root cause of our decline. I get sick of hearing 'with the quality we have' we shouldn't be languishing at the foot of the table.

What quality ?

The players don't do the basics consistently enough - we shoot ourselves in the foot too many times, and you can't legislate for those errors. I think the manager will become even more conservative now so at least we have a solid base to work from. 

[LeePhilpottsBaldSpot]

2 minutes ago, The Guvnor said:

Six Managers since June 24 including 2 interims, none have been able to get a tune out of the players, would probably suggest the recruitment of players is the root cause of our decline. I get sick of hearing 'with the quality we have' we shouldn't be languishing at the foot of the table.

What quality ?

Why they all persist with 4-2-3-1 is what bamboozles me.

 

It must be mandated onto them so there's consistency with youth teams or something.

 

It clearly isn't working. Why the **** don't they change it.

[Number 6]

We're also looking a bit blunt going forward under him too. I get that sorting the defence is important, but we've looked all out of attacking ideas against Norwich and QPR.

[FoxesWalk]

5 minutes ago, The Guvnor said:

Six Managers since June 24 including 2 interims, none have been able to get a tune out of the players, would probably suggest the recruitment of players is the root cause of our decline. I get sick of hearing 'with the quality we have' we shouldn't be languishing at the foot of the table.

What quality ?

The squad is dogshit, we can all see it. It’s just lazy people in the media who don’t pay attention, just know we were in the league above recently. Lazy coverage, commentators role out the same soundbites every week. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Just huge red flags that he continues to pick Ayew. PPG is pretty crap too, surely can't be any better than Marti was?

[Lambert09]

The players let him down today. Horrific decisions all over the park and you saw as soon as they scored every pass was a little off, the confidence evaporated in an instant and nobody had the balls to actually try and score. 
 

I don’t think it’s a question of the set up being wrong today, yet again the players have skirted responsibility and individual errors have destroyed us.  Jakobs communication is as bad as wards, genuinely. Both goals a commanding keeper wouldn’t allow because the players would be hearing  from him exactly what to do. 

[dmayne7]

28 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

Call it what you want, but the vision is wrong.  Its a style of play imposed on managers.  We could hire a lump it up the pitch conference manager and within 3 games we will be playing possession.

If you was right we would surely by now have a manager playing a different way.

I think you're just not understanding what I'm saying/I'm not articulating it well enough:

 

Agree, they are asking for managers of play a certain way when hiring.

 

Disagree, they are forcing the manager to play that way when in post.

[Big Blue Maff]

Just now, lfu said:

I agree that the players deserve plenty of blame, but we keep setting them up to fail by hiring mediocre (or sh1te) managers who bring a team of inept coaches with them. You can have all the talent in the world but put them under sunday league coaches in this division and they'll flounder

I don’t know if I agree with u or not here . 
 

To be honest I feel a little for Rowett , yes ultimately the results do lay at his door however most of these players have played under the last 4 managers we’ve had and they ain’t done shit themselves, some have been given a chance to get into the first team regularly but haven’t improved us .  Ask yourself honestly can u see anyone in this team improving another team ?? The players also have to take responsibility as well , some of these players performances and attitude is absolutely dog shit  

[squidsworth]

3 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

The players let him down today. Horrific decisions all over the park and you saw as soon as they scored every pass was a little off, the confidence evaporated in an instant and nobody had the balls to actually try and score. 
 

I don’t think it’s a question of the set up being wrong today, yet again the players have skirted responsibility and individual errors have destroyed us.  Jakobs communication is as bad as wards, genuinely. Both goals a commanding keeper wouldn’t allow because the players would be hearing  from him exactly what to do. 

How come it's always someone else fault but Nelson? He was absolute dog shit today, can't deal with a ball over the top, and sticks a cross in his own net when he's surrounded by Leicester players. Stop blaming others, it was his doing today!

Edited 14 March by squidsworth

[inckley fox]

2 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

Clearly the managers arent the full problem.

 

 

Some of them, in spite of what people tell themselves, weren't/aren't actually bad managers.

 

And some of our 'good' managers (e.g. Rodgers, Maresca) haven't helped any long-term evolution of the club either. That's not to devalue Enzo's achievement either, but he was never a workable long-term project.

 

But either way, it is abundantly clear that it's a disgracefully run club, with a criminally unprofessional culture at the heart of it. The club itself are indefensible, and anyone attempting to defend it (e.g. NextPlease) either loses their argument miserably or changes the subject as soon as they're shown up, and knows they're pursuing an unwinnable argument.

 

Fatawu is my number one example of this cultural issue. We have to play him, because he's our best technical player. But he's playing entirely for himself and his highlights reel. You're playing with ten men for two, three games at a time just for that one magical moment. Much like Maddison and Tielemans a few years back;  he's among our better players, but the embodiment of everything wrong with the club's culture.

 

But there are so many other places to look - Vestergard one minute, Winks the next, Mavididi (alright though he may have been today) after that, Ayew, even Mukasa who clearly struggles to wake up for the first 30 minutes or more - that you can't single Abdul out. And then there are the incompetents: Thomas, Nelson, Hamza, Stolarczyk, Okoli. Some of them would be shown up in the fourth tier.

 

I mean, how could you ever defend a manager who didn't take one or two from Nelson/Mukasa/Ayew off at half-time in that game? A child could have told you that Nelson was going to cost us that match, and Ayew was never going to claw it back. I was literally yelling at the boss's passivity when I saw them come back out. I knew, we all knew, how that would pan out. How the hell doesn't he?

[Mike Oxlong]

He's a good fit for us at the moment. Tinpot manager at a tinpot club. 

[HankMarvin]

12 minutes ago, The Guvnor said:

we shouldn't be languishing at the foot of the table.

What quality ?

Despite how shit we have been all season, if it wasn’t for the points deduction we would be 10 points off 8th

[Mr.Bingles]

Glover had been utter dogshit with his recruiting 

[The Doctor]

17 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Ayew is a strange one but not convinced he’s to blame for those three goals today. Pick your villain but aim higher for the cause

obviously defence doesn't cover itself in glory but I do think that the complete lack of any pressure from him leads to their first, all the time in the world to put that ball over the top because he's off lumbering around in the wrong part of the pitch 

[Mike Oxlong]

Tactics no different than what went before. Get the ball out wide and pray. 

[grth2004]

Not a fan of his appointment to say the least and today was disastrous, But he has improved form and only been in the job a few weeks, we’re still only a point away from safety and he’s not going anywhere so best to get behind him and hope he can sort us out. Just win every other game and we will will probably stay up. 

[Bert]

I feel like after Tuesday and his comments there was no way he was gonna change the back line and begrudgingly after that, just about rightly so. 
 

Should've been the easiest game to get them up for today though, they were on a crap run of form, we’d finally won a game and kept a clean sheet. 
 

But then the players have to apply themselves correctly and do the business, which a lot of them didn’t. 

[inckley fox]

2 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

He's a good fit for us at the moment. Tinpot manager at a tinpot club. 

I suppose that's a succinct summary of my mini-essay. I'd put more emphasis on the 'tinpot club' part than the 'tinpot manager', but I think there are literally thousands out there who could have managed that game better than he did today. There were easy, easy decisions to make in that game.

 

But such is the sheer weight of faecal matter that we're burdened with, it might not have been enough anyway. Ben Nelson may well end up being a competent footballer, but far too often he's looked as if he lacks even the most basic professional prerequisites. He and the keeper may well be young, as Stolarczyk pointed out on Tuesday, but there are no bonus points for being young. And then there's Fatawu's staggering greediness, Mukasa's inability to play for his first 30 minutes on the pitch, Ayew, Hamza, Winks, Reid, Thomas... We could go on.

[NorthernFox]

I was gutted today. Thought we has turned a corner after Brizzle. Like the way Rowett has increased tempo, felt first 25 mins we were gonna win 3-0. However Nelson was awful today in defence. Thought he might have ADHA ffs, This was the game to move forward and coupled with other results we might be fooked. 

[pazzerfox]

19 minutes ago, nettle said:

Picking Ayew is pretty shocking really and doesn't look good on Rowett. But to be honest what's the point of an out and out striker when you've got wingers who consistently cut inside almost every time they've got the ball.  The tactics are shit and have been for ages, I thought Rowett might change it up a bit but it's basically the same as Cifuentes served up.

Ay-poo really is absolutely dogshi*. Infuriating how bad he is.