Gary Rowett

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, Account4VotingInPolls said:

Rowett is setting us up in a lot of games to actually fight to win them in ways Cifuentes really wasn't. He's also gradually filtering out players without mental strength or who are mistake prone or who don't really contribute (Ayew, Page, Nelson, Monga, all of whom had many appearances under Cifuentes without doing much). He's also actively seeing which players he can trust as he goes along e.g. trying out Hamza to shore up the defence but realising Hamza never looks forward so with him we don't have threat.

 

Yeah we still cock up games. But if we conceded those 2 Preston goals under Cifuentes, that would be it. They'd probably get a third. We'd have no chances the rest of the game. How many games did you watch this season where we needed a goal with 40 minutes to play and we had literally zero chances the rest of the game? It was like a bad joke by the end. We could never win a game under Cifuentes that wasn't against some dejected side with zero fight in them. Cifuentes was actively draining our players' team cohesion as the season went on, they couldn't pass, heads were down in most second halves even if we were winning. He had them playing like strangers, Rowett has them playing like a team a lot of the time and he's really not had much time to do that so that's credit to him.

 

 

Explain then the pattern in Rowett’s time as manager of allowing teams back into games after going a goal up? 
 

Every game we seemingly take the lead and then the players get complacency. Six of the eight we’ve played. 
 

Two of the players you mention (Page and Monga) were central to our only spell of good form this season. After all Monga has better stats than Mavididi despite a lot less time on the pitch. Cifuenties cocked up in returning to the same old squad members. 
 

We’ve had occasions under Rowett of needing a goal in the second half and failed. There’s examples like Norwich away and West Brom home with late winners under Cifuenties. 
 

Rowett is making similar errors as Cifuenties. He's put his trust in players who’ve repeatedly failed before. 
 

There’s no doubt Marti was reliant on players providing initial quality. Under Rowett, he’s seemingly take away the ability for our quality players to do that. 

Edited 5 April by CosbehFox

[BrilliantFox]

16 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Explain then the pattern in Rowett’s time as manager of allowing teams back into games after going a goal up? 
 

Every game we seemingly take the lead and then the players get complacency. Six of the eight we’ve played. 
 

Literally even happened in his first game in charge against Stoke.

Completely bottled that match and failed to have a manager bounce.

 

 

[Blue ROI]

7 hours ago, Stadt said:

The trouble is we never have an Eckert in the building already.

 

Rudkin would never have the bravery or foresight to recruit a promising U21 manager from abroad. 
 

We’ve been behind the curve ever since Pearson and Walsh left. Even if we don’t self-immolate financially we’ll be in League 1 for years under Top and Rudkin because that’s the level of their capabilities.

 

To get Pep, Man City built a Barca/Pep level backroom team and infrastructure. FSG learned from their early mistakes and developed a smart, shrewd and lean operation finished by Klopp. Newcastle very quickly overhauled their backroom operation.

 

Brighton have had numerous employees poached but because the nous and strategic chops come from the owner, they can roll with the punches.

 

Top is thick, we’ve seen that and Rudkin, I think generously, probably has an IQ of about 102. 
 

Everything is slow, sclerotic, there is no dynamism or new ideas. As football has changed into aggressive man to man marking it’s killed slow positional play. Even Guardiola is much more direct but Top is wedded to slow build up until it puts in the shit, then we lurch to a reactive manager (Cooper, Rowett).

They've about an IQ of 102 between them in total 

[Account4VotingInPolls]

32 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Explain then the pattern in Rowett’s time as manager of allowing teams back into games after going a goal up? 
 

Every game we seemingly take the lead and then the players get complacency. Six of the eight we’ve played. 
 

Two of the players you mention (Page and Monga) were central to our only spell of good form this season. After all Monga has better stats than Mavididi despite a lot less time on the pitch. Cifuenties cocked up in returning to the same old squad members. 
 

We’ve had occasions under Rowett of needing a goal in the second half and failed. There’s examples like Norwich away and West Brom home with late winners under Cifuenties. 
 

Rowett is making similar errors as Cifuenties. He's put his trust in players who’ve repeatedly failed before. 
 

There’s no doubt Marti was reliant on players providing initial quality. Under Rowett, he’s seemingly take away the ability for our quality players to do that. 

I think Rowett is a fair improvement on Marti but I don't think he's a good manager. I think he's passable, at least with the limited time he's had with a dejected and disjointed team.

 

Marti was sacked not just because of recent results but because our performances were shocking. Oxford awful, Wrexham awful and lucky, Cov we only played one half of football, West Brom we were appalling and got incredibly lucky, Sheffield awful, Derby we edged it but both teams mediocre.

 

Compare to performances under Rowett, Stoke we were the better side, Middlesborough second best but competitive, Norwich shocking, Ipswich shocking and lucky, Bristol good, QPR awful, Watford we were the better side and deserved to win, Preston again we deserved to win. Mixed bag but improvement. 

 

There's noticeable differences on the pitch too. Fewer wasted misplaced passes in midfield (the sheer volume of wasted passes was becoming unbearable by the end of Cifuentes' reign), players don't look as gassed or lazy in the second half and can actually fight and grow into games. Still think we have set piece issues at both ends and players need to put away chances. He was brought in to manage a group of players that to be frank wasn't being managed by a clueless Cifuentes and yeah I think he's doing that. Hope it's enough but I'm not predicting anything.

 

 

[Samilktray]

Personally think he’s just happy to be here, and he’s probably guaranteed another job at championship level  off the back of managing us. 

[CosbehFox]

51 minutes ago, Account4VotingInPolls said:

I think Rowett is a fair improvement on Marti but I don't think he's a good manager. I think he's passable, at least with the limited time he's had with a dejected and disjointed team.

 

Marti was sacked not just because of recent results but because our performances were shocking. Oxford awful, Wrexham awful and lucky, Cov we only played one half of football, West Brom we were appalling and got incredibly lucky, Sheffield awful, Derby we edged it but both teams mediocre.

 

Compare to performances under Rowett, Stoke we were the better side, Middlesborough second best but competitive, Norwich shocking, Ipswich shocking and lucky, Bristol good, QPR awful, Watford we were the better side and deserved to win, Preston again we deserved to win. Mixed bag but improvement. 

 

There's noticeable differences on the pitch too. Fewer wasted misplaced passes in midfield (the sheer volume of wasted passes was becoming unbearable by the end of Cifuentes' reign), players don't look as gassed or lazy in the second half and can actually fight and grow into games. Still think we have set piece issues at both ends and players need to put away chances. He was brought in to manage a group of players that to be frank wasn't being managed by a clueless Cifuentes and yeah I think he's doing that. Hope it's enough but I'm not predicting anything.

 

 

 

Notable differences on the pitch ? We literally gave away a goal on Friday by a midfielder misplacing a pass.
 

We literally are fading and getting lazy, we giving up goals from a position of strength. We’ve been leading in six of Rowett’s eight games and let teams back in. 

 

Late goals against us by Stoke, Ipswich, Norwich. We were hanging towards the end of the sole victory against Bristol City. The players notably faded from minute 30 v QPR. 

 

I don’t doubt that the games in January under Cifuenties but we had two runs of form we’ve got nowhere near under Rowett which was when Marti got rid of Winks coincidentally and began to introduce Page more. With Monga starring in August as a really good prospect. Rowett has insisted on playing Mavididi week in, week out. 
 

If Rowett’s name was Gario Rowetto, it would be different but he’s successfully cut himself out to be this fix it man with the championship and everyone is playing along with it. Yet he’s making the same tactical and selection errors as those before him 

[murphy]

32 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

 

Notable differences on the pitch ? We literally gave away a goal on Friday by a midfielder misplacing a pass.
 

We literally are fading and getting lazy, we giving up goals from a position of strength. We’ve been leading in six of Rowett’s eight games and let teams back in. 

 

Late goals against us by Stoke, Ipswich, Norwich. We were hanging towards the end of the sole victory against Bristol City. The players notably faded from minute 30 v QPR. 

 

I don’t doubt that the games in January under Cifuenties but we had two runs of form we’ve got nowhere near under Rowett which was when Marti got rid of Winks coincidentally and began to introduce Page more. With Monga starring in August as a really good prospect. Rowett has insisted on playing Mavididi week in, week out. 
 

If Rowett’s name was Gario Rowetto, it would be different but he’s successfully cut himself out to be this fix it man with the championship and everyone is playing along with it. Yet he’s making the same tactical and selection errors as those before him 

I think our problems are deeper than selection and tactics.  There isn't a formation that will change things around. 

 

Our problems are confidence and mentality and that's what we needed a new manager to inject, but it hasn't been enough.  I'm not convinced that this team fixable by anyone.  

[l444ry]

Think most fair minded people can see the improvement in performances under Rowett. Sometimes results don't always reflect this but he's actually got the team running and doing the ugly stuff most of the time. Taking over this lot was the job from hell.  

[CosbehFox]

50 minutes ago, murphy said:

I think our problems are deeper than selection and tactics.  There isn't a formation that will change things around. 

 

Our problems are confidence and mentality and that's what we needed a new manager to inject, but it hasn't been enough.  I'm not convinced that this team fixable by anyone.  

We don’t know cos there’s been zero attempts at trying something different 

[trooky]

We should be well clear of the relegation zone, but we've given up so many points from winning positions under both managers by stupid individual mistakes or just lazy play. 

[HP1]

To be fair, Daka puts his penalty away at watford and Thomas puts his header in a yard out at Stoke and he has 3 wins and 3 draws out of 8. Fine margins that he couldnt control (albeit his decision to have Daka on penalties I concede).

[Lambert09]

7 hours ago, StanSP said:

Mukasa did well on Friday from what I saw. Fatawu 2nd half looked much more lively than the first. 

 

JJ has to play tomorrow if possible. 

Interesting, I felt like he was overly hesitant all game.  The first few games he would pass or shoot almost instantly. It just seemed like maybe he was either feeling the pressure or just a bit of self doubt crept in. Hopefully not the case 

[StanSP]

26 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

Interesting, I felt like he was overly hesitant all game.  The first few games he would pass or shoot almost instantly. It just seemed like maybe he was either feeling the pressure or just a bit of self doubt crept in. Hopefully not the case 

He did a long driving run albeit with no end product, then had that shot that went quite close with his right foot after cutting in on his left. 

 

Felt like he was quite involved and wasn't afraid of getting on the ball and looking forward/wide.

[jim5000]

Rowett is the 4th manager in a row that has failed to get a tune out of this squad. At some point you have to look at the squad. 

[LVFox]

Cifuentes was getting more out of this side than Rowett is - late on it stunk out abit yes, and his results overall were better than performances, but even pretty late on in his reign Marti got the win at Derby and a good first half performance at Coventry.

 

Simply, the players haven’t been good enough. Our inability to play 5 yard passes is infuriating and our individual defending is an absolute joke. 
 

But to say there’s been an uplift under Rowett is honestly something I just don’t see. We went for an organiser, but actually what we needed was someone who could actually get us playing some decent football

[Clever Fox]

16 hours ago, Spanner73 said:

Clear the decks all you like ! 
But KP will still be here and nothing whatsoever will change whilst they remain. 
I hope everyday that I’ll hear that they have plans to move sell up and we can all breath a huge sigh of relief that this nightmare is over 

KP parent company is not the problem It's Rudkin who clearly wasn't up to the job. and Top supporting him. That's the problem. You can't say nothing will change because we know it certainly will change. But change takes time in Football, especially if you don't have millions to spend. It takes time to run down Contracts etc. 

If you want to effect change you go to the parent company not the club or Top. As he's clearly not going to get rid of Rudkin. 

Either way things will change you can be certain of that. 

[Spanner73]

10 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

KP parent company is not the problem It's Rudkin who clearly wasn't up to the job. and Top supporting him. That's the problem. You can't say nothing will change because we know it certainly will change. But change takes time in Football, especially if you don't have millions to spend. It takes time to run down Contracts etc. 

If you want to effect change you go to the parent company not the club or Top. As he's clearly not going to get rid of Rudkin. 

Either way things will change you can be certain of that. 

Wow you’ve got some serious optimism !! But I feel your missing the point, your talking on the pitch, but for me it’s about off the pitch. The club is a closed corrupt book which relies heavily on association within KP and only hires within itself like a cult with people taken from institutions that know nothing at all about football. 

Years of decline under this dreadful regime and IMO like many here have said nothing will change whilst Aiyawatt is here or KP group however you look at it. 
 

it’s why decline is the best way out IMO, staying up will only prolong the fans frustration with this ownership and their arrogance to make things any better. 
 

 

 

[Guppys Love Child]

13 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

We don’t know cos there’s been zero attempts at trying something different 

Bingo...!

 

It's the short sightedness what Rowett and the past 3 in charge have all suffered form.

  

Plain laziness. Just repackaging the same failing players, tactics, formation and culture behide a different face.  

 

We all.know Top, KP, Teflon Jon all need to go, but the need to change all of the above is equally important and all it takes is old Gary Boy to grow a pair and do it ...that's if he's clever enough to see the need.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Clever Fox]

27 minutes ago, Spanner73 said:

Wow you’ve got some serious optimism !! But I feel your missing the point, your talking on the pitch, but for me it’s about off the pitch. The club is a closed corrupt book which relies heavily on association within KP and only hires within itself like a cult with people taken from institutions that know nothing at all about football. 

Years of decline under this dreadful regime and IMO like many here have said nothing will change whilst Aiyawatt is here or KP group however you look at it. 
 

it’s why decline is the best way out IMO, staying up will only prolong the fans frustration with this ownership and their arrogance to make things any better. 
 

 

 

Isn't it on the pitch where most Fans are concerned. 

Off the pitch they can do what they like because they own the Club. 

All fans can do is request change and work with the club to bring that about. 

Fans had a chance to own the club the last time we were in administration and passed on the opportunity. 

All we can do is request KP parent company to replace him which they can do. 

I the meantime, We have to hope Top is learning from his mistakes. 

[em9999]

To learn from  mistakes would be to admit (or even realise) your making them in the first place 

 

Some people seem due to foolish pride incapable of doing this 

Edited 6 April by em9999

[Spanner73]

2 hours ago, em9999 said:

To learn from  mistakes would be to admit (or even realise) your making them in the first place 

 

Some people seem due to foolish pride incapable of doing this 

Exactly  ! That’s the whole problem and you’ll never get that with this idiot EVER ! 
Some fans can’t see it though 

[funkyrobot]

If we lose this, I’d definitely let Gareth know that Blackburn away will be his last game. He won’t have the ability to manage us in League 1.

[Sly]

If we fail to win this, I hope we have a plan B. 

 

I’m beginning to really dislike his approach to football. 
 

We don’t need to play 4-2-3-1 FFS

[Mike Oxlong]

Think we should sack him at half time and do a draw for one of the fans to manage us second half 

[Blue ROI]

That trip to Portugal has really worked a treat eh Gaz?