Should we have fought psr?

[broughtonblue]

Should we have just accepted the charges when they were first brought against us? If I recall we spent an awful lot of money on a technicality, which although was semi successful in avoiding a points deduction initially, it caught up with us this season, and if we had been deducted at the time, we wouldn't have lost the 6 points this season, which would mean we would not have finished in the bottom 3, and avoided the drop to league 1.

I accept we broke rules and deserved punishment.

Another shambles by those at the top?

Edited 3 May by broughtonblue

[Lesta Legend]

No. Avoided it by managing our finances better. 

[Zear0]

The club deserved the deduction but aren’t fortune tellers to know when the deduction would be most beneficial. Given what the PL and EFL were trying to deduct we got off lightly, not that it mattered, in the end.

 

Club and fans need to accept their medicine on this one and move on as there’s no benefit in dwelling on what ifs.

[TonyN11]

No, it was well deserved due to our incompetence in all financial matters 

[JimJams]

The threat of a deduction has hindered us far more than the deduction itself I think, and it's hung over us for longer.

So in one respect with the way it's played out you could say we should have took our medicine earlier.  Though there's an argument that actually you might be better off just ignoring PSR, spend the money and take the hit as long as you've spent the money well enough (!) that a points deduction doesn't matter.

[Tuna]

Should have just ignored it in 22/23 like Everton and Forest and we'd still be a Premier League club.

[demon_dog]

They knew the the rules, should have ensured they followed  them. Very bad decision making by the people in charge. Got off very lightly in my opinion. Can't blame PSR for our predicament.

[Chrysalis]

We did the worst possible, I feel its best to either ignore PSR, and take the punishment, the breach would allow the team to be good enough that a few points is less than the extra quality in team.

Or you manage finances properly, and comfortably fall within the rules.

We were stuck in the middle, indecisiveness.  I dont see the point in breaching, but trying to mitigate it to a smaller breach, a breach is a breach, and we didnt get any brownie points as we threw our toys out of the pram on cooperation.

Edited 3 May by Chrysalis

[Spudulike]

29 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

The club deserved the deduction but aren’t fortune tellers to know when the deduction would be most beneficial. Given what the PL and EFL were trying to deduct we got off lightly, not that it mattered, in the end.

 

Club and fans need to accept their medicine on this one and move on as there’s no benefit in dwelling on what ifs.

We were relegated by 6 points.

[Stadt]

It’s fine to fight tooth and nail legally to avoid punishment if we then got the house in order. Instead we got lucky once and presumed we could fight with law fare rather than the mismanagement eventually catching up.

 

Instead we just carried on spending recklessly. The summer 25 window was delusional and frivolous. The only good permanent signing was El Khannouss and we managed to make a loss!

 

We’ve been in some degree of financial difficulty since summer 22 and it was only three years later, after a second relegation in three years, we stemmed the transfer spending.

 

The lack of redundancies, mothballing of Belvoir Dr, maintaining the number of stewards, floating away ID checks and so on means they’re not reconciling with the financial disaster STILL.

[JJD_LCFC]

No. We are guilty.

Naivety and lack of interest from Top, incompetence from Rudkin lead to this.

 

If there was anything riding on the game our players would have faulted, as they did all season. Do not let 1 win in a meaningless game suggest otherwise. Blackburn were on holiday. 

[whoareyaaa]

They shouldn’t be able to give out deductions halfway through a season should be done before the season starts 

[trooky]

57 minutes ago, broughtonblue said:

Should we have just accepted the charges when they were first brought against us? If I recall we spent an awful lot of money on a technicality, which although was semi successful in avoiding a points deduction initially, it caught up with us this season, and if we had been deducted at the time, we wouldn't have lost the 6 points this season, which would mean we would not have finished in the bottom 3, and avoided the drop to league 1.

I accept we broke rules and deserved punishment.

Another shambles by those at the top?

In hindsight yes, but we would have failed PSR twice if it wasn't for the court win and have avoided bigger points deductions by fighting, but the team have been abysmal for the last 2 season which is down to Rudkin. 

 

We over spent trying to stay in the PL 24/25 but that squad was never going to be good enough.

 

We should have recognised that, our pointless token gesture trying to support Cooper with the Skipp, Okoli and BEK transfers has put the club future at risk with another £71 million loss in the latest accounts. 

 

The club would have been naive to think that the PL wouldn't take that decision lying down if we won the case, and would try to get us in the future.

 

So to fail PSR this season is a disgrace and beyond belief to be honest, we've made so many mistakes.

 

I can't see how Rudkin and the CFO can keep their jobs never  mind get promoted. Top is a cretin. 

Edited 3 May by trooky

[Gazza M]

No, we are lucky only 6 and not charged for more incompetence. Just wish they would do one. 

[Zear0]

21 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

We were relegated by 6 points.

And West Brom had a deduction for donating to a charity whilst Blackburn got fiddled by replaying a game against Ipswich when leading. It’s all whataboutary that we can’t cherry pick to suit ourselves.

[Spudulike]

5 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

And West Brom had a deduction for donating to a charity whilst Blackburn got fiddled by replaying a game against Ipswich when leading. It’s all whataboutary that we can’t cherry pick to suit ourselves.

Don't need to cherry pick. The league table doesn't lie. Or does it?

[Mike Oxlong]

I dread to think how much more we'd have spaffed on crap overpaid players without any constraints at all 

[Zear0]

7 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

Don't need to cherry pick. The league table doesn't lie. Or does it?

No it doesn’t, we got relegated.

[urban.spaceman]

The Premier League and EFL were attempting to illegally apply a sanction they had no right to apply.
 

So, yes. We were absolutely within our rights to defend ourselves from two blatantly and brazenly corrupt authorities. 

Edited 3 May by urban.spaceman

[lookwhaticando]

We fought the law, and the law won. 
 

The rules are crap. The implementation is crap. The punishments are crap. It’s all crap. 
 

But we knew what the rules were, and after having dodged them once in court, can have no complaints when we did it again and got punished. 
 

Our own complacency and incompetence earned us the dedication this time. We clearly didn’t take it seriously enough first time around. 

[Winstonthedog]

We have been flirting around the rules for years .... and it's caught up with us and we have paid a price for it in the form of 6 points .... but it was poor player buying, bad financial management, poor performances and results over the past 2 seasons that saw us relegated TWICE not the 6 points 

Edited 4 May by Winstonthedog
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[jack-lcfc]

20 hours ago, Spudulike said:

We were relegated by 6 points.

If we had needed a win at Blackburn to stay up there is no chance this group would have done the business 

[Globalfox]

We fought corruption on 4 occasions and were found to be right on 3 out of the 4. Corruption cannot go unchallenged. Unfortunately the corruption continues at all levels of football and is  leading to the eventual destruction of the game as real supporters will discover. The corruption and our esteemed owners incompetence are two different things. However the obscene player contracts, agents fees etc are all part of the overall demise of the game.The next TV deal may be the final watershed in football destruction as ordinary supporters are finally pushed out leaving tourists and sycophants. Football is already struggling to sell live attendance. I bought tickets for Arsenal today at face value with ease for tomorrows Champions League and there is plenty of hospitality unsold. In the evening of my supporting life it is sad to see but unavoidably true.in2016 our club raised hope but unleashed the fear and wrath of the money people. Never again will they let true hope shine again. That is the only certain thing you can predict for football.;

 

[Pliskin]

We’ve fought it, hence why it was delayed until now…..

[foxfan92]

Fact is given the wages we're paying for the dross we have, and the squad we still have (on paper at least - even it didn't somehow translate to what happened on the pitch) and a competent manager in charge - our points deduction could have been twice what it was and we should still have been the other end of the table to where we ended up. 

 

The whole season has been a cruel joke and its unbelievable how far we've fallen in ten years.