Toxic club - an inconvenient truth about our fans

[orangecity23]

1 minute ago, OnlyOneCity said:

The malicious insults are going in the direction of Top and Rudkin but also to fans  who try to show support for Leicester City which  is actually not toxic. I am not defending Top or Rudkin and wish that they would leave our club. The fans who have desisted from booing the club have been demonised by those who choose to boo anything to do with City. 

I go to games, and it is pretty obvious that the fans making the positive noise backing the team with chants etc are exactly the same fans who are chanting Rudkin out, sack the board etc. The rest of the ground essentially makes no noise whatsoever, aside from the occasional mild round of applause or tutting when there are mistakes. It's barely supportive or positive, more of a passive observer watching events unfold in silence.

 

There are no fans who "boo anything to do with city", they intermix positive team chants with anti board ones. Sustained booing of the team itself only tends to occur after games are already lost, mostly after some of the worst player performances in terms of effort the club has seen in recent history. And as proven in this thread, across Facebook and with incidents at the ground, there are many, many instances of "fans who desist from booing the club" verbally, or physically attacking fans who have booed or held anti board banners. You will find plenty of fans on Facebook demonising Union FS, or the movement to reform the Foxes Trust.

[OnlyOneCity]

13 minutes ago, orangecity23 said:

I go to games, and it is pretty obvious that the fans making the positive noise backing the team with chants etc are exactly the same fans who are chanting Rudkin out, sack the board etc. The rest of the ground essentially makes no noise whatsoever, aside from the occasional mild round of applause or tutting when there are mistakes. It's barely supportive or positive, more of a passive observer watching events unfold in silence.

 

There are no fans who "boo anything to do with city", they intermix positive team chants with anti board ones. Sustained booing of the team itself only tends to occur after games are already lost, mostly after some of the worst player performances in terms of effort the club has seen in recent history. And as proven in this thread, across Facebook and with incidents at the ground, there are many, many instances of "fans who desist from booing the club" verbally, or physically attacking fans who have booed or held anti board banners. You will find plenty of fans on Facebook demonising Union FS, or the movement to reform the Foxes Trust.

All this rhetoric does not alter the fact that there has been a toxic atmosphere among fans and the abuse has mainly been aimed at fans who don’t behave how the abusers think they should. You only have to look back at months of FT to see the amount of flack thrown towards older fans or fans who continue to attend games when verbally attacked for doing so. There are former fans on here who despise anything to with City., expressing their hate for the club and disgust for fans who don’t share their opinions.

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[hackneyfox]

23 minutes ago, orangecity23 said:

I go to games, and it is pretty obvious that the fans making the positive noise backing the team with chants etc are exactly the same fans who are chanting Rudkin out, sack the board etc. The rest of the ground essentially makes no noise whatsoever, aside from the occasional mild round of applause or tutting when there are mistakes. It's barely supportive or positive, more of a passive observer watching events unfold in silence.

 

There are no fans who "boo anything to do with city", they intermix positive team chants with anti board ones. Sustained booing of the team itself only tends to occur after games are already lost, mostly after some of the worst player performances in terms of effort the club has seen in recent history. And as proven in this thread, across Facebook and with incidents at the ground, there are many, many instances of "fans who desist from booing the club" verbally, or physically attacking fans who have booed or held anti board banners. You will find plenty of fans on Facebook demonising Union FS, or the movement to reform the Foxes Trust.

So KPFC isn’t thrown around as an insult?

Those who go to games or renewed their season tickets aren’t accused of being part of the problem?

We need to pull together, unfortunately that’s unlikely to happen anytime soon.

[foxile5]

8 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

We need to pull together, unfortunately that’s unlikely to happen anytime soon.

This club has had more than half a decade of the most pulled together fanbase in our history and they've treated us like morons and with contempt. An eagerness to be in the stadium has been met with hiked prices, a literal gatekeeping of the turnstiles, and untruthfulness. They've also closed general sale to a whole generation of fans. King Power have enjoyed a whole era of full-throated and unconditional support. 

 

It isn't what's going on in the stands that's the problem and not having dissenting voices is doing more harm than good at this point. 

[Kitchandro]

5 hours ago, LeePhilpottsBaldSpot said:

Personally – I live with depression, and toxic environments hit me fast. I spiral easily. The club and its community have been a massive support for me. This forum is usually my best outlet for that in the summer, and while criticism is fine my point is about relentless negativity. Either about old topics or about just anything about the club (friendlies are wrong, new manager already written off).

 

For the club - a toxic atmosphere makes recovery harder. How can fans share in a team's success but not think they can influence things at all when the team is struggling?

 

Last year our away results (17th) were unacceptable, but the home results (22nd) are actually what relegated us. That's not saying it was all on the fans, but a toxic atmosphere makes a bad situation even worse.

 

Would I take a new owner? Do I wish Jordan Ayew never signed? Do I think Harry Winks is a bellend? Yes, yes, yes.

 

What will improve if fans spend the summer adding to multiple hundred-plus (and rising) page hate threads about these topics? Absolutely nothing. 

 

My point is we won't magic up a new owner, build a Jordan Ayew-resistant time machine or change Harry Winks' personality by adding a 382nd page to those threads. And neither will adding a 9th thread about not liking the new manager.

 

This is the last I'll post on the topic for reasons of spiralling that I've mentioned earlier, and obviously people who disagree with me aren't going to change their minds, which is fine.

 

Cheers everyone and have a nice evening. Great weather and the World Cup's on - happy days! 

I also live with depression. Leicester City make me feel worse, and moaning on here makes me feel better. So what are we to do? We could shut the forum down, you could take a break from it, or maybe I could pretend LCFC never existed. The former and the latter are not realistic though.

 

I fundamentally don’t agree that negative comments or atmospheres make things worse. There’s plenty of occasions where the players respond to a kick up the arse, or a manager is sacked due to the crowd voicing that there’s no way back for them.

 

I don’t moan on here because it fixes anything. I moan on here because my emotions make me feel that it’s warranted. And frankly, I’ve made it clear there’s nothing left to support here. I’m not here to make things better, that’s not my job and I don’t have the power to. Neither do you.

 

People had the chance to see reason, and they didn’t. I’ve no more love to give to this club.

 

Edited Friday at 23:43 by Kitchandro

[Gamble92]

1 hour ago, hackneyfox said:

So KPFC isn’t thrown around as an insult?

Those who go to games or renewed their season tickets aren’t accused of being part of the problem?

We need to pull together, unfortunately that’s unlikely to happen anytime soon.

Only people to blame for that are the disgustingly inept Top and Rudkin. They're lucky there's not been way worse towards them than there has been. 

 

There is not a bigger example of ineptitude in football history. 

[Kitchandro]

1 hour ago, OnlyOneCity said:

All this rhetoric does not alter the fact that there has been a toxic atmosphere among fans and the abuse has mainly been aimed at fans who don’t behave how the abusers think they should. You only have to look back at months of FT to see the amount of flack thrown towards older fans or fans who continue to attend games when verbally attacked for doing so. There are former fans on here who despise anything to with City., expressing their hate for the club and disgust for fans who don’t share their opinions.

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There are a much larger number of pro-KP fans who have been both verbally and physically abusive towards those who have voiced opposition to the owners. Why do you not have a problem with them?

 

If everyone was vocally against the owners the fanbase would all be friends and you’d be much happier, no? Why can’t you stop being toxic and show some solidarity?

Edited Friday at 23:49 by Kitchandro

[LCFCJohn]

7 hours ago, OnlyOneCity said:

All this rhetoric does not alter the fact that there has been a toxic atmosphere among fans and the abuse has mainly been aimed at fans who don’t behave how the abusers think they should. You only have to look back at months of FT to see the amount of flack thrown towards older fans or fans who continue to attend games when verbally attacked for doing so. There are former fans on here who despise anything to with City., expressing their hate for the club and disgust for fans who don’t share their opinions.

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I am very much KP out. I see enough from your posts where you state you want them out also that I know you are an ally in terms of sharing the same views on what the clubs needs.

 

What does need to be clear is there are no ‘former’ fans on here. Anyone posting on here cares about the club or why bother being on here right? And hate for the club. No not hate for the club but maybe its current iteration? There are a couple of posters who I presume you are referring to who make comments about wanting us to go into administration etc. Again, don’t take that as actively wanting us to. It is a forum and people say things for effect sometimes. Or likely they have got to a point where they see no other way this ends and just want the club back to what we used to know sooner. Myself, I think it does end that way as well but hold out hope we can move forward by Aiyawatt selling us and avoiding the indignity of administration and continue to want us to win every game we compete in.

 

As for abuse. I think it’s very unfair to blame that just on the ‘KP out’ side. I hate using the word sides by the way but it has become such a divide it is the only appropriate term. All this started with a growing number of fans voicing dissatisfaction against the running of the club whether that is in the stands or via online channels like this. That is fair and happens at clubs across the country and leagues. We then had an aggressive push back from those who are very much pro the ownership because they can’t detach what happened in 2016 from the decline in recent years basically. That resulted in physical aggression from that side with reported examples from pulling banners off people to actually assault in a couple of cases. I am not aware anyone who is KP out has responded with physical violence?

 

The Unite for Change movement has been clear it is protest before the game (or after) and support in the ground. But those taking part get demonised as you put it despite going into the ground and supporting. As a fanbase, what do we do? 

[OnlyOneCity]

8 hours ago, Kitchandro said:

There are a much larger number of pro-KP fans who have been both verbally and physically abusive towards those who have voiced opposition to the owners. Why do you not have a problem with them?

 

If everyone was vocally against the owners the fanbase would all be friends and you’d be much happier, no? Why can’t you stop being toxic and show some solidarity?

I am not being toxic. I am genuinely concerned by the split in the fan base. I support Leicester City first and last. This does not mean I support King Power. They, unfortunately own my club at the moment but that will change. Showing solidarity doesn’t mean going against your own principles of supporting the team, difficult though it has been, this past couple of years. We have weak leaders at the club and this has been reflected in the state we are now. The Boards and hierarchy at clubs have almost never been fans’ favourites. Some are good, some are bad. We have the latter. But spitting insults at fellow fans will only achieve what we have now, which seems to be a mutual hate between too many fans of the same club.

[LCFCJohn]

40 minutes ago, OnlyOneCity said:

I am not being toxic. I am genuinely concerned by the split in the fan base. I support Leicester City first and last. This does not mean I support King Power. They, unfortunately own my club at the moment but that will change. Showing solidarity doesn’t mean going against your own principles of supporting the team, difficult though it has been, this past couple of years. We have weak leaders at the club and this has been reflected in the state we are now. The Boards and hierarchy at clubs have almost never been fans’ favourites. Some are good, some are bad. We have the latter. But spitting insults at fellow fans will only achieve what we have now, which seems to be a mutual hate between too many fans of the same club.

This is fair enough. It would help from your point of view though, to acknowledge (which maybe you have elsewhere) that it does most definitely work both ways and that those blindly backing the ownership have been very toxic in their attitude towards those who don’t. Acknowledging it both ways shows true balance in opinion and that you genuinely think the divide is down to both sides of the argument and not a result of just one of those arguments.

 

As I said in an above quote to you, I can see you are aligned with the view regarding the ownership which is great. But it does seem you put the fan divide issue at the fault of those calling for change and not those who aren’t. 

[Mike Oxlong]

Pulling together is overrated 

[Kitchandro]

2 hours ago, OnlyOneCity said:

I am not being toxic. I am genuinely concerned by the split in the fan base. I support Leicester City first and last. This does not mean I support King Power. They, unfortunately own my club at the moment but that will change. Showing solidarity doesn’t mean going against your own principles of supporting the team, difficult though it has been, this past couple of years. We have weak leaders at the club and this has been reflected in the state we are now. The Boards and hierarchy at clubs have almost never been fans’ favourites. Some are good, some are bad. We have the latter. But spitting insults at fellow fans will only achieve what we have now, which seems to be a mutual hate between too many fans of the same club.

At this stage, I’m afraid it does. Those principles you had are now outdated. These aren’t working class locals trying their best. These are millionaires and billionaires taking the Mickey out of you. The boycotts, the abuse - all of it is necessary to create an anti-King Power culture in the fanbase. To make it clear we hate them and want our club back. That we want to be respected and respectable again. That we are too big a club to be at this level and be considered so insignificant by the media that we aren’t even the 30th biggest story when we hire a new manager.
 

That doesn’t happen by pandering to people like Russell Martin and Harry Winks. There’s a bare minimum that should be acceptable and we constantly and deliberately fall below it. You talk about insults - the fans are being insulted with every single decision and performance.

 

Anyone with self-respect would not be cheering them on. Anyone who ever had pride in this club would not accept this version of the club as anything they can support. Anyone who wants change would not give them their money.

 

If some fans find these views insulting, I can’t say I’m too bothered. Some of us have been seeing the problems for years and have been insulted plenty. Either you’re opposing this regime wholeheartedly or I’m afraid we may as well be supporting different clubs. 

[chuck'em]

2 hours ago, Mike Oxlong said:

Pulling together is overrated 

Yeah, I was never a fan of soggy biscuit personally

[CruzNoir]

2 hours ago, chuck'em said:

Yeah, I was never a fan of soggy biscuit personally

Your username suggests you are actually telling the truth 

[NextPlease]

5 hours ago, Kitchandro said:

At this stage, I’m afraid it does. Those principles you had are now outdated. These aren’t working class locals trying their best. These are millionaires and billionaires taking the Mickey out of you. The boycotts, the abuse - all of it is necessary to create an anti-King Power culture in the fanbase. To make it clear we hate them and want our club back. That we want to be respected and respectable again. That we are too big a club to be at this level and be considered so insignificant by the media that we aren’t even the 30th biggest story when we hire a new manager 

 

“Want our club back”

 

What does this mean, do you really expect any future owner set up to be a consortium of local businessmen ?

 

That would not deliver the finances to maintain a PL club

 

30th story, all football journo’s focus is on

the World Cup, even McKenna leaving Ipswich was well down the list & Martin’s appointment got more coverage than fellow relegated club Oxford parting ways with their manager 

 

 

[SilverFox]

Feels a bit like victim shaming. 

[LCFCJohn]

46 minutes ago, NextPlease said:

“Want our club back”

 

What does this mean, do you really expect any future owner set up to be a consortium of local businessmen ?

 

That would not deliver the finances to maintain a PL club

 

30th story, all football journo’s focus is on

the World Cup, even McKenna leaving Ipswich was well down the list & Martin’s appointment got more coverage than fellow relegated club Oxford parting ways with their manager 

 

 

It doesn’t need to be fan owned or local consortium. 
 

The want the club back refers to culture and I do think you know this.

 

I don’t know how long you have supported this club but for me, Leicester is about having players that even if not the most talented, put in the effort. It’s about finding gems in the transfer market and developing them. It’s playing football that gets fans engaged and off their seats whether that’s quick transitions or defensive steel. 
 

What it isn’t to me is;

- Spending stupid amounts of money on mercenaries who don’t want to be at the club.

- Using agencies to do our business as we are too lazy to do any real scouting.

- Non existent fitness department leading to being bottom of the rankings for distance covered and springs, evidencing we were the laziest and unfittest side (playing clearly blowing in the first half evidence this as well).

- Being in a constant cycle of financial bother with punishments hanging over us like a cloud. 
- Lack of accountability for any of the above and lack of communication from the club regarding anything. 
 

That’s clearly what people are referring to when ‘wanting Leicester back’. The irony being, we get insults chucked at us about being entitled and must have supported since 2016 etc and expect to be in the CL every year etc etc and all that nonsense. When the reality is, whatever division we are in, if we weren’t doing what I have listed in the bullet points above and did do what I put in the paragraph above that, we’d be happy as it would feel like the club we know and can relate to.

[Voll Blau]

22 hours ago, hackneyfox said:

So KPFC isn’t thrown around as an insult?

Those who go to games or renewed their season tickets aren’t accused of being part of the problem?

We need to pull together, unfortunately that’s unlikely to happen anytime soon.

Fully agree. We need to pull together to get the worst owner in our history out of our club.

[Reynaldo]

Tell you all what was weird from my point of view.  Cheering Englands goals against Croatia like it actually meant something.  Over the past what, 2 and a bit years, I’d completely forgotten what that feels like. That’s the sad truth. 

Edited Saturday at 21:42 by Reynaldo

[Kitchandro]

7 hours ago, NextPlease said:

“Want our club back”

 

What does this mean, do you really expect any future owner set up to be a consortium of local businessmen ?

 

That would not deliver the finances to maintain a PL club

 

30th story, all football journo’s focus is on

the World Cup, even McKenna leaving Ipswich was well down the list & Martin’s appointment got more coverage than fellow relegated club Oxford parting ways with their manager 

 

 

So were considered less important than Ipswich but that’s fine cos we’re bigger than Oxford 😂

 

Exactly my point, this isn’t our club is it? Playing second fiddle to Ipswich. It’s pathetic.
 

There’s not 5 World Cup matches going on at once, a club of our size should expect to be in the top 10 stories when we’ve got a new manager. For context, a Premier League club signs a player and it’s in the top 3 stories.

 

Stop dancing around the point. You know what everyone’s problem is. Why do you think it’s ok? 

[NextPlease]

9 hours ago, Kitchandro said:

So were considered less important than Ipswich but that’s fine cos we’re bigger than Oxford 😂

 

Exactly my point, this isn’t our club is it? Playing second fiddle to Ipswich. It’s pathetic.
 

There’s not 5 World Cup matches going on at once, a club of our size should expect to be in the top 10 stories when we’ve got a new manager. For context, a Premier League club signs a player and it’s in the top 3 stories.

 

Stop dancing around the point. You know what everyone’s problem is. Why do you think it’s ok? 

We have played second fiddle to Ipswich in the past, when Bobby Robson was in charge, Mick Milks was captain, so yes with those memories my support for Leicester goes back a long way, so have had far more years supporting a yo-yo club than being an established top tier club.

 

If a PL club signs a player currently it would not be a top 3 story, it’s all about the World Cup

[los dedos]

 

1 hour ago, NextPlease said:

 Leicester goes back a long way, so have had far more years supporting a yo-yo club than being an established top tier club.

 

 

Really because since league was restructured 69 years ago only ten club have spent more time in the top tier

Edited Sunday at 10:03 by los dedos

[smudgerfox]

"Using agencies to do our business as we are too lazy to do any real scouting."

 

is there any evidence for this? It's an accusation that's often thrown around - but surely if this was the case you'd see a pattern in our signings (Southampton is the only one I can see). 
 

i had a look when Jake on BSLB (maybe a year ago) mentioned that  an insider told him we have a scouting department but it's often ignored in favour of a couple of agents. I looked up some of the most inexplicable signings and could find no common thread (though not all agent info is made public)...

 

I'm a retired journalist and happy to follow up any credible leads on this.. 

[NextPlease]

36 minutes ago, smudgerfox said:

"Using agencies to do our business as we are too lazy to do any real scouting."

 

is there any evidence for this? It's an accusation that's often thrown around - but surely if this was the case you'd see a pattern in our signings (Southampton is the only one I can see). 
 

i had a look when Jake on BSLB (maybe a year ago) mentioned that  an insider told him we have a scouting department but it's often ignored in favour of a couple of agents. I looked up some of the most inexplicable signings and could find no common thread (though not all agent info is made public)...

 

I'm a retired journalist and happy to follow up any credible leads on this.. 

All message board “fact” and no real knowledge 

[NextPlease]

1 hour ago, los dedos said:

 

Really because since league was restructured 69 years ago only ten club have spent more time in the top tier

Of which 10 of those years under current ownership