Toxic club - an inconvenient truth about our fans

[VLC86]

6 hours ago, shen said:

Becoming violent is never 'more acceptable', why accept devolution as a way forward? 

 

My view is that many fans need to finally understand that football is a business. Clubs are businesses and many of them are vessels for billionaire owners who don't care for the local communities much if at all. Fans are consumers of a product, a product that has been cultured through years of loyal servitude, traditions and community building which is now being monetized and siphoned by wealthier folk.

So fans should change their perspective and treat it as what it is and not keep thinking professional football is something it hasn't been for years and years. 

I didn’t say to get violent, that would be completely counterproductive and unacceptable. See the above.

[shen]

7 minutes ago, VLC86 said:

I didn’t say to get violent, that would be completely counterproductive and unacceptable. See the above.

You worded it a bit clumsily then. I read it in a way that verbal violence or threats in person is likely more effective than moaning online, which it probably is, but it's also very wrong.

 

I'd advocate Manwell's method of just stop giving the club money. That's the most effective way - even if it won't necessarily hurt the personal wallets of the owners, I guarantee it will be far more monitored in-house than some placards or chants.

[It'sblueupnorth]

4 hours ago, LeePhilpottsBaldSpot said:

Classic internet response - mocking a point I didn't make. I’ve said the club’s a shambles, and most of the blame sits with the board and players. But relentless fan negativity plays a part too - and elements of this thread proves it 

 

I'm not sure fans hate posting in a Jordan Ayew thread all summer will avoid any icebergs.

There's a difference between holding the club to account and having an addiction to moaning. Our 'fans' are spending a summer adding to a 100+ page hate thread for an ex-player and a 300+ page 'King Power Out' thread that won't generate a new billionaire owner. Same mentality as booing a player coming on as a sub, chanting about murdering Rudkin and going on GB News saying you want us to get relegated because you hate the board.

 

My point remains: the board have overseen failure after failure. The players have performed below their pay grade. As a result, the fan atmosphere is toxic.

 

Yet it feels to me like:

• the board think it's the players and fans' fault - so don't change
• the players think it's the board and fans' fault - so don't change
• the fans think it's he board and players' fault - so don't change

Rinse and repeat. A culture where nobody recognises fault brings no change, and the downward spiral continues.

What a load of empty waffle. Fans don’t think it’s the board or players fault, that’s an undeniable fact, what are you actually on about. 

[ALC Fox]

As custodians of the club, the responsibility falls on the owners and the people making the decisions.

 

They recruit the managers and players, they recruit the people who scout and identify coaching and playing talent. They had the financial strategies that have seen us docked six points, escape further punishment on a technicality and leave us indebted to an Australian investment bank where the money we borrowed was made against the continuation of Premier League TV money.

 

The players take slightly less responsibility. As mentioned, some of them were recruited poorly and not enough thought has gone into assembling a coherent squad with a defined playing style with complementary personalities. But they are the ones producing the guff on the pitch so a large proportion of the responsibility rests with them too.

 

The fans. Well, there are certainly many of them who will moan regardless. I used to know a guy who moaned constantly about how crap we were during the O'Neill glory days. Used to boil my p1ss and I was only a child.

 

But, by and large, the fans respond to what is happening on the pitch and in the boardroom. When we were producing miracles, we were causing earth tremors in jubilation. We packed the streets and Victoria Park in blue-tinted celebration.

 

Piling on now isn't fickle, the players and the board have had time and the evidence in front of our eyes and in almost everything we read about our off-pitch activities is exacerbating this feeling.

 

In recent seasons we warmed to Maresca, Fatawu, Doyle, Cifuentes (initially) and James instantly because their careers were on the up and they appeared to really want to be here. RVN didn't look interested, Cooper was dour and Martin has been a disaster in his last two seasons as a manager.

 

We will always have our depressing doom and gloom merchants who are never happy. Who are disappointed when a player who scored a brace in a 4-0 win didn't complete the hat-trick. Who think we were sh1t because we were beaten over two legs by Atletico Madrid. And we will always have our happy clappers who are oblivious to the death spiral this club is currently in and only want positivity around them.

 

In the middle, I believe the vast majority of fans are realistic, demand 100% effort no matter the quality, who were in complete dreamland and had to pinch themselves when we won the title, and who are now appalled at how far we could have fallen so quickly, from a position of apparent strength.

 

I believe most fans will support the team, even if we think they're rubbish. Of course we will, we love the club. But we also have to be willing to show how disappointed we are with this current regime as they continue to run this club badly. If they show us something different, the goodwill could just as quickly return.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by ALC Fox

[Guy]

11 hours ago, LeePhilpottsBaldSpot said:

Yes - we’re shit. The board avoid accountability, plenty of players are bellends and the club is a mess. On top of that, the atmosphere online and in the ground has become properly toxic. I find this really quite sad because the club has pulled me out of some dark places in my life.

 

For about five years I've thought there are three warring camps at Leicester City:

 

• the board
• the players
• the fans

 

Each camp blames the other two and thinks they don’t need to change themselves - it's the other guys' fault. If they changed, we'd be fine. Each mindset feeds the spiral. Every 4 months we sack a manager as a sacrificial lamb, and the three camps continue. I'm not saying each camp is equally to blame - I'd say 50% board, 35% players, 15% fans. The maddening thing is that if any camp improved, the others would too - but no camp is willing to change.

 

Just look at this place: months/years of posting hate threads on Ayew (103 pages), Winks (171), Rowett (179), Kristiansen (49), King Power (338). Be honest - how much new is being said now? Will posting a 339th page find a billionaire to buy out King Power? Will a 172nd page on Harry Winks find a club to take on his wages. There’s already multiple negative threads about Russell Martin and the poor sod's been in post for about two days.

 

I’m not saying stop criticising, just that endlessly piling on the same targets creates a circle of toxicity that clearly hinders the club. We’re still Leicester City fans, and we’ve seen plenty of times when we've pulled out of dire situations with a bit of unity. I don't think it will happen when we're just relentlessly moaning - especially about things that can't be changed or players / managers that have already left the club.

 

This thread will probably die on its arse after a few laughing emojis and snippy replies, and maybe I'm wrong and that's the 'right' way to support the club these days. But personally, I’d rather try to reset the tone more to the club I fell in love with as a child than keep adding pages and pages to the same old hate threads.

 

Anyone else up for that?

I agree with a lot of what you say but there'll be nothing 'poor' about Russell Martin by the time he leaves the club - well - not financially speaking anyway!!

[Corky]

10 hours ago, Fox92 said:

It's just posts on an internet forum, nothing "toxic" about it ("toxic" has grown into an overused word now). Things could, probably should, have been much worse. There are other fanbases that have taken to the pitch, surrounded players, surrounded the owners etc and nothing of that has happened here.

I am still unsure about the "toxic" fans who simultaneously are a bunch of spoilt kids small in number yet big enough to potentially force out the owner with hurty words.

 

"There's 200 of them, all brats who have never suffered any hardship" to blue heart emoji posts "If Top reads this he will be heartbroken and will sell up!!"

[lfu]

Meanwhile on the lcfc reddit:

[VLC86]

2 hours ago, shen said:

You worded it a bit clumsily then. I read it in a way that verbal violence or threats in person is likely more effective than moaning online, which it probably is, but it's also very wrong.

 

I'd advocate Manwell's method of just stop giving the club money. That's the most effective way - even if it won't necessarily hurt the personal wallets of the owners, I guarantee it will be far more monitored in-house than some placards or chants.

Yeah maybe, it’s been a long day 😂 

 

Re stopping giving them money, you’ve seen with the season ticket renewals that they think someone else will just step into your shoes if you do that. Peaceful, persistent protests will be more effective.

[Manwell Pablo]

3 hours ago, ALC Fox said:

As custodians of the club, the responsibility falls on the owners and the people making the decisions.

 

They recruit the managers and players, they recruit the people who scout and identify coaching and playing talent. They had the financial strategies that have seen us docked six points, escape further punishment on a technicality and leave us indebted to an Australian investment bank where the money we borrowed was made against the continuation of Premier League TV money.

 

The players take slightly less responsibility. As mentioned, some of them were recruited poorly and not enough thought has gone into assembling a coherent squad with a defined playing style with complementary personalities. But they are the ones producing the guff on the pitch so a large proportion of the responsibility rests with them too.

 

The fans. Well, there are certainly many of them who will moan regardless. I used to know a guy who moaned constantly about how crap we were during the O'Neill glory days. Used to boil my p1ss and I was only a child.

 

But, by and large, the fans respond to what is happening on the pitch and in the boardroom. When we were producing miracles, we were causing earth tremors in jubilation. We packed the streets and Victoria Park in blue-tinted celebration.

 

Piling on now isn't fickle, the players and the board have had time and the evidence in front of our eyes and in almost everything we read about our off-pitch activities is exacerbating this feeling.

 

In recent seasons we warmed to Maresca, Fatawu, Doyle, Cifuentes (initially) and James instantly because their careers were on the up and they appeared to really want to be here. RVN didn't look interested, Cooper was dour and Martin has been a disaster in his last two seasons as a manager.

 

We will always have our depressing doom and gloom merchants who are never happy. Who are disappointed when a player who scored a brace in a 4-0 win didn't complete the hat-trick. Who think we were sh1t because we were beaten over two legs by Atletico Madrid. And we will always have our happy clappers who are oblivious to the death spiral this club is currently in and only want positivity around them.

 

In the middle, I believe the vast majority of fans are realistic, demand 100% effort no matter the quality, who were in complete dreamland and had to pinch themselves when we won the title, and who are now appalled at how far we could have fallen so quickly, from a position of apparent strength.

 

I believe most fans will support the team, even if we think they're rubbish. Of course we will, we love the club. But we also have to be willing to show how disappointed we are with this current regime as they continue to run this club badly. If they show us something different, the goodwill could just as quickly return.

 

no one’s reading that ffs 

[Dan]

3 hours ago, lfu said:

Meanwhile on the lcfc reddit:

These types (there are plenty about) have made the implosion a bit easier to take I must admit. There are plenty there who deserve their club going bust. Just a shame having to share it with these people.