Harry Souttar

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

23 minutes ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

Absolutely it's negligent 

 

as is the lack of a number 9

 

there are no more chances it's this season or bust for Leicester City 

 

11 minutes ago, HowardsBulletHeader said:

Wholeheartedly agree and they've (CBs and a 9) been problems for years, not just this window. It is just absolute incompetence at this point. 

 

8 minutes ago, Cropwellfox said:

Would probably say the lack of centre forward is the bigger unforgivable failure. Would imagine they’ve been trying to move Okoli and Faes on with no takers, and other teams know how ****ed we are so lowballing on Nelson and Souttar. Aluko, Gray and even Wilson-Brown in the squad at start of pre season so it’s understandable if completely inept. 

Haha I’d actually briefly forgot about the lack of a striker. And last season we started the season with one first team striker and it was Patson Daka who basically didn’t count as a striker 😂 

[Dan]

Had a change of heart on Souttar to be honest. I still think he is our highest ceiling CB, but he's just simply not suited to playing in a Martin side. If we're really going up this route then I think it'd be wise to cash in. Same with Okoli.

[Dan]

I'd caveat by saying if it was up to me I'd have been using him a long time ago and I wouldn't be so wedded to this type of football we're seemingly obsessed with. But the whole thing is an ill fit.

 

Our recruitment really is ridiculous. It's so brainless. Square pegs in round holes constantly.

[Tommy Fresh]

3 minutes ago, Dan said:

Had a change of heart on Souttar to be honest. I still think he is our highest ceiling CB, but he's just simply not suited to playing in a Martin side. If we're really going up this route then I think it'd be wise to cash in. Same with Okoli.

I actually think he's okay with the ball, he just looked unarsed and complacent yesterday

[Foxes96]

23 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

I actually think he's okay with the ball, he just looked unarsed and complacent yesterday

This is the bigger concern for me. Had enough of players who don’t want to be here. 
 

If £8m is true take it and invest in two proper ball playing CB’s, or get one in on loan like Malachi Hardy. 

[Bluearmyfox28]

He’s still got around £6m in book value, so £8m would give you around £2m profit. 
 

As long as the money isn’t based on performance add ons and all guaranteed we’ve got to take that offer and reinvest that profit into a new centre back and then get another on loan. 
 

Interesting bit of information that I have clocked here is that Wilder has come out and said they only paid £5m for Mark McGuiness despite it being heavily reported that the fee was £10m. Wouldn’t be surprised if we are using that higher fee as indicator for what Sheff Utd need to pay for Souttar and Wilder is downplaying the fee as a negotiation tactic. 
 

May be completely irrelevant just seems an odd coincidence of timing.

[Dan]

5 hours ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

While there’s been positives to the ins and outs this summer, the fact we’re likely needing to recruit two first team centre backs just before or after the opening league game I’m afraid is not great. I appreciate the amount of activity behind clearing the swamp, but am I alone in thinking this is pretty negligent?

The defence is a mess. You've got four senior CBs, three of them could feasibly make a move before the end of the window and the other might have done if he hadn't done his ACL.

 

We really need a bit of reliability here. We should've fixed this far sooner than now.

 

I think an absolute minimum of two need to arrive. What's happened with Wilson-Brown? He'd be an obvious 3rd/4th choice - possibly higher if he's actually good.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

4 hours ago, Dan said:

What's happened with Wilson-Brown?

It was reported in pre season he’d been left out (going to Spain I think) as an offer had come in for him. So I guess the club wanted him to go, but he’s still here to my knowledge? 
 

You’re right the back line is a total mess.

[fkas]

6 hours ago, Dan said:

The defence is a mess. You've got four senior CBs, three of them could feasibly make a move before the end of the window and the other might have done if he hadn't done his ACL.

 

We really need a bit of reliability here. We should've fixed this far sooner than now.

 

I think an absolute minimum of two need to arrive. What's happened with Wilson-Brown? He'd be an obvious 3rd/4th choice - possibly higher if he's actually good.

Issue is we can only afford a squad of a certain size. With four relatively expensive CBs on the books already we can't really afford to go out and add two more until we've offloaded some. Yes, prior years recruitment has indeed been shite but we still need to sell before we buy.

 

Striker is a different issue. Trying to find someone that's not wildly expensive, broken or past it at a price we can afford is difficult. As shown by the protracted signing of the Bosnian chap you can't just go and sign randoms from elsewhere easily either. That being said our recruitment upfront has been dog shite for many years so probably for the best we aren't throwing significant amounts of money at it as the chances of it coming off are sadly slim.

[Richard]

If he doesn't wanna be here, get him gone. 

[ClaphamFox]

3 minutes ago, Richard said:

If he doesn't wanna be here, get him gone. 

Martin said that Souttar hasn’t once told the club he wants to leave. 

[FrankieADZ]

7 hours ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

He’s still got around £6m in book value, so £8m would give you around £2m profit. 
 

As long as the money isn’t based on performance add ons and all guaranteed we’ve got to take that offer and reinvest that profit into a new centre back and then get another on loan. 
 

Interesting bit of information that I have clocked here is that Wilder has come out and said they only paid £5m for Mark McGuiness despite it being heavily reported that the fee was £10m. Wouldn’t be surprised if we are using that higher fee as indicator for what Sheff Utd need to pay for Souttar and Wilder is downplaying the fee as a negotiation tactic. 
 

May be completely irrelevant just seems an odd coincidence of timing.

im with you im sure the reports were it was for in and aroun 10mil they paid for McGuiness, so hes certainly downplaying what they paid for him etc

as for Souttar, id take £8mil and a sell on clause for him

if Utd want him that bad theyll pay it

[foxgas]

I think we have to sell due to his injury record. Not selling Nelson pre season looks a bad decision now. The last thing we can afford is burning wages on players forever in the treatment room.

[BlueBus]

I'd sell, look what happened to Ben Nelson. 

 

I agree he's our best CB but he's 27 and has only done a 30+ game season twice in his career, he's not worth an £8m gamble with our current finances unfortunately.

[LCFCCKEANO]

2 minutes ago, BlueBus said:

I'd sell, look what happened to Ben Nelson. 

 

I agree he's our best CB but he's 27 and has only done a 30+ game season twice in his career, he's not worth an £8m gamble with our current finances unfortunately.

Think the issue is we sell him and we go into the season without any reliable experienced centre back options. If we do take the offer or not it should wait until we have a replacement lined up, we really can’t afford to go into games with Okoli and Wilson-Brown/Gray

[shen]

Obviously we sell. He's one of the few first teamers with sell-on value. He'd be on large wages and he doesn't want or need to play League One football. If we can reinvest a couple of mil, then I'd find a defender who's better suited to the way we play.

[Danno]

Suspect he will go on deadline day after we sign Grant Hanley on a 5 year deal 

[indierich06]

I think if Souttar and Page both go in the next week or two, there will be additions in both of their positions, and those sales will probably fund other transfers in as well. Hate to say it, but I'd sell if we get anything like £9m. 

[Tiny earl]

12 minutes ago, BlueBus said:

I'd sell, look what happened to Ben Nelson. 

 

I agree he's our best CB but he's 27 and has only done a 30+ game season twice in his career, he's not worth an £8m gamble with our current finances unfortunately.

Spot on!

[Sol thewall Bamba]

People still thinking that money from this deal will be re-invested

 

Book value still remaining of at least 6million. If we get 8million up front for him, 2million profit covers the interest on our loans for 10 weeks.

 

That's where this money will go.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

8 hours ago, Dan said:

What's happened with Wilson-Brown?

Off to Stockport County it would seem 

[AKCJ]

13 hours ago, Tommy Fresh said:

I actually think he's okay with the ball, he just looked unarsed and complacent yesterday

I was excited to have him as the captain because I thought they'd just give it to one of the tainted lads like Choudhury or BDCR.

 

But you're right. He looked like he didn't want to be here and, to be honest, who could blame him? He had a great time at Sheffield Utd and i'd imagine he'll end up back there.

 

The Nelson injury has really ****ed us. Hopefully we can get someone in through the door with the right mentality and ability to fit into a Martin team. Wonder if we can use our McCarron contacts and get Max Alleyne in for the season.

[LCFCCKEANO]

42 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

I was excited to have him as the captain because I thought they'd just give it to one of the tainted lads like Choudhury or BDCR.

 

But you're right. He looked like he didn't want to be here and, to be honest, who could blame him? He had a great time at Sheffield Utd and i'd imagine he'll end up back there.

 

The Nelson injury has really ****ed us. Hopefully we can get someone in through the door with the right mentality and ability to fit into a Martin team. Wonder if we can use our McCarron contacts and get Max Alleyne in for the season.

Think of all the championship sides being desperate to jump ship to Sheffield United would be like for like, would be very short sighted for him to throw his toys out for that move. If it was Middlesbrough or someone of that ilk I could see the desperation a lot more, but he is more than likely going to end up in a similar situation next year there as he is here next year

[Tommy G]

11 hours ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

He’s still got around £6m in book value, so £8m would give you around £2m profit. 
 

As long as the money isn’t based on performance add ons and all guaranteed we’ve got to take that offer and reinvest that profit into a new centre back and then get another on loan. 
 

Interesting bit of information that I have clocked here is that Wilder has come out and said they only paid £5m for Mark McGuiness despite it being heavily reported that the fee was £10m. Wouldn’t be surprised if we are using that higher fee as indicator for what Sheff Utd need to pay for Souttar and Wilder is downplaying the fee as a negotiation tactic. 
 

May be completely irrelevant just seems an odd coincidence of timing.

The board must be annoyed at Wilder witting in the press about other peoples players. Just manage the team.

[Merchant_Banker]

1 hour ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Off to Stockport County it would seem 

Permanent?