Madeleine McCann

[foxy boxing]

21 hours ago, Parafox said:

Haunted by not knowing who she really is. Troubled by mental health issues. 

 

Sad and immature, yes. 

 

Vindictive and out to make a fast buck. No IMO.

So her going on in the press and on Dr Phil in the US was not about making as much money as possible . She was clearly doing it for the attention and money otherwise she would have got the dna test as soon as possible and not trying to stretch the attention out. 

[Parafox]

3 hours ago, foxy boxing said:

So her going on in the press and on Dr Phil in the US was not about making as much money as possible . She was clearly doing it for the attention and money otherwise she would have got the dna test as soon as possible and not trying to stretch the attention out. 

I doubt, from what I've read, that she has the intellect to act by herself in order to gain financially.

 

The possibility of her trying to gain attention to fill a void that he parents seem to have failed to fill is entirely possible.

 

It irritates me that people will, without any understanding of mental health, put individuals in convenient boxes to suit there own agenda.

[Wymsey]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13498015/Christian-Brueckners-emails-link-Madeleine-McCann-case-investigators-claim.html

 

[foxy boxing]

Julia Wandelt who claims to be Maddie has been arrested on arrival to the U.K. on suspicion of stalking and harassment. How long can she flog this dead horse for, everyone knows she's not Maddie. She needs psychological help.

[Sly]

I think this is simply a case, that we will never know the answer to. 
 

Similar to Ben Needham. 

[ClaphamFox]

A new documentary will be broadcast at 9pm tonight on Channel Four looking into this case, specifically at the evidence against Christian Brueckner:

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-mystery-shrouds-christian-35181566

[Paninistickers]

On 07/05/2025 at 09:01, ClaphamFox said:

A new documentary will be broadcast at 9pm tonight on Channel Four looking into this case, specifically at the evidence against Christian Brueckner:

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-mystery-shrouds-christian-35181566

Reading today that he's in court again in Germany on new charges..

 

You just know he'll never get out. They can't do him for Madeleine's murder. But they'll find other stuff to pin on him over and over 

 

Didn't watch the documentary but I've read enough to know believe the guy isn't safe to be allowed out 

 

 

[Parafox]

24 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Reading today that he's in court again in Germany on new charges..

 

You just know he'll never get out. They can't do him for Madeleine's murder. But they'll find other stuff to pin on him over and over 

 

Didn't watch the documentary but I've read enough to know believe the guy isn't safe to be allowed out 

 

 

 

Sadly none of the recent or future developments will give any closure to the McCanns.

 

 

Edited 9 May 2025 by Parafox

[Paninistickers]

6 minutes ago, Parafox said:

 

Sadly none of the recent or future developments will give any closure to the McCanns.

 

 

It's sadly a case that will never close. Like Keith Bennett. Even if he confessed, as Brady did, there isn't true and full closure 

[Parafox]

1 minute ago, Paninistickers said:

It's sadly a case that will never close. Like Keith Bennett. Even if he confessed, as Brady did, there isn't true and full closure 

 

Mainly, I would think because Keith's body has never been found as is likely with Madeleine, assuming she is dead.

 

Keith's mum passed away never knowing where her son was. 

 

I can't imagine lifelong sorrow and loss she has suffered without being able to properly have a place to mourn.

[foxy boxing]

47 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

It's sadly a case that will never close. Like Keith Bennett. Even if he confessed, as Brady did, there isn't true and full closure 

Will Kate and Gerry continue to ask and get British taxpayers money to fund British police visits to Portugal and continue the investigation when it's likely she's dead and unlikely to get answers and therefore closure from the suspect. No one will ever know definitely what happened or where her body is without a confession and still  spending millions of British taxpayers money will not help.

[Parafox]

12 minutes ago, foxy boxing said:

Will Kate and Gerry continue to ask and get British taxpayers money to fund British police visits to Portugal and continue the investigation when it's likely she's dead and unlikely to get answers and therefore closure from the suspect. No one will ever know definitely what happened or where her body is without a confession and still  spending millions of British taxpayers money will not help.

We're not spending millions of taxpayers money. Most of the investigation was and is still, paid for by fundraising and the generosity of private benefactors.

You really have exposed  your ignorance and not for the first time on many of posts you've made.

 

Get your facts right.

 

Edited 9 May 2025 by Parafox

[Paninistickers]

25 minutes ago, foxy boxing said:

Will Kate and Gerry continue to ask and get British taxpayers money to fund British police visits to Portugal and continue the investigation when it's likely she's dead and unlikely to get answers and therefore closure from the suspect. No one will ever know definitely what happened or where her body is without a confession and still  spending millions of British taxpayers money will not help.

Fair comment, but if I was them,  I too would never stop campaigning and canvassing for money. 

 

I'd guess the police service as a whole spunk 200k on all sorts of weird & wonderful community rubbish or security detail for Liz Truss. The McCann's money is,. individually, a drop in the ocean 

 

Edit as @Parafox points out, it's not millions. I think around 150-200 a year

Edited 9 May 2025 by Paninistickers

[Parafox]

4 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Fair comment, but if I was them,  I too would never stop campaigning and canvassing for money. 

 

I'd guess the police service as a whole spunk 200k on all sorts of weird & wonderful community rubbish or security detail for Liz Truss. The McCann's money is,. individually, a drop in the ocean 

 

Edit as @Parafox points out, it's not millions. I think around 150-200 a year

It's not a "fair comment". It's a show of ignorance. And he's not the only one.

[ClaphamFox]

2 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

Reading today that he's in court again in Germany on new charges..

 

You just know he'll never get out. They can't do him for Madeleine's murder. But they'll find other stuff to pin on him over and over 

 

Didn't watch the documentary but I've read enough to know believe the guy isn't safe to be allowed out 

 

 

The documentary was deeply disturbing. It’s hard to get your head around how a human being can become as depraved as that. He’s beyond vile.

 

German police have a ton of circumstantial evidence that strongly suggests Brueckner kidnapped and murdered Madeleine, but it probably falls just short of a slam dunk conviction and they want to make the case as watertight as possible. I suspect the latest charge against him is intended to keep him inside for a bit longer while they continue to build the case. If he’s released he’ll probably flee Germany for somewhere with no extradition treaty - most likely somewhere where he thinks he can carry on abusing children. 
 

1 hour ago, Parafox said:

It's not a "fair comment". It's a show of ignorance. And he's not the only one.

Agreed - I struggle to think of another case that has attracted as many breathtakingly stupid trolls as this one has over the years.

[Realist Guy In The Room]

15 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

The documentary was deeply disturbing. It’s hard to get your head around how a human being can become as depraved as that. He’s beyond vile.

 

German police have a ton of circumstantial evidence that strongly suggests Brueckner kidnapped and murdered Madeleine, but it probably falls just short of a slam dunk conviction and they want to make the case as watertight as possible. I suspect the latest charge against him is intended to keep him inside for a bit longer while they continue to build the case. If he’s released he’ll probably flee Germany for somewhere with no extradition treaty - most likely somewhere where he thinks he can carry on abusing children. 
 

Agreed - I struggle to think of another case that has attracted as many breathtakingly stupid trolls as this one has over the years.

This is the main thing that comes from that documentary.  Whilst it does seem to point in one direction, it is all just circumstantial.  Even if on the hard drive they found, there were surveillance pictures of the McCann's on holiday, without any physical evidence and particularly a body, if he keeps his mouth shut, they won't have enough.

 

Particularly vile human being.

[ClaphamFox]

32 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

This is the main thing that comes from that documentary.  Whilst it does seem to point in one direction, it is all just circumstantial.  Even if on the hard drive they found, there were surveillance pictures of the McCann's on holiday, without any physical evidence and particularly a body, if he keeps his mouth shut, they won't have enough.

 

Particularly vile human being.

This is not quite true. You can be convicted on circumstantial evidence - it happens all the time. But you need enough of it to convince the judges (judges decide the verdict in Germany). It seems like they feel like they’re just below the threshold of evidence they need to be confident of a conviction. They don’t need a body or DNA evidence to convict him - a bit more circumstantial evidence may be enough to tilt the balance. 

[Paninistickers]

2 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

This is not quite true. You can be convicted on circumstantial evidence - it happens all the time. But you need enough of it to convince the judges (judges decide the verdict in Germany). It seems like they feel like they’re just below the threshold of evidence they need to be confident of a conviction. They don’t need a body or DNA evidence to convict him - a bit more circumstantial evidence may be enough to tilt the balance. 

Be interesting to see if UK police could take in a case and make a charge? 

 

Under UK law he's have to go before a jury, decision made on balance of probability and therefore significantly affecting his chances of acquittal 

[Dr The Singh]

2 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Be interesting to see if UK police could take in a case and make a charge? 

 

Under UK law he's have to go before a jury, decision made on balance of probability and therefore significantly affecting his chances of acquittal 

Uk police can't address the the 'grooming gangs'  thee have little faith.

[Parafox]

5 hours ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

This is the main thing that comes from that documentary.  Whilst it does seem to point in one direction, it is all just circumstantial.  Even if on the hard drive they found, there were surveillance pictures of the McCann's on holiday, without any physical evidence and particularly a body, if he keeps his mouth shut, they won't have enough.

 

Particularly vile human being.

 

Which is the very reason he refuses to say anything in regard to MM. 

 

I think anyone watching that documentary and the investigative reporters involved, can be in much doubt that he is responsible.

 

It was also apparent from that documentary, how inadequate and shambolic the Portuguese police were in the following hours, days and weeks. 

 

I can't imagine how Madeleine's parents must feel to be so close yet so far from any resolution.

Edited 10 May 2025 by Parafox

[Robo61]

6 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

Be interesting to see if UK police could take in a case and make a charge? 

 

Under UK law he's have to go before a jury, decision made on balance of probability and therefore significantly affecting his chances of acquittal 

Since when did a criminal court in the UK, decide a case on the balance of probability.

[ClaphamFox]

38 minutes ago, Robo61 said:

Since when did a criminal court in the UK, decide a case on the balance of probability.

They don’t. @Paninistickers must have been thinking of civil cases.
 

In German criminal cases, the prosecution must prove the defendant’s guilt to a similar standard as ‘beyond reasonable doubt’, although they don’t call it that. It’s also apparently harder to get a conviction in Germany because judges decide the outcome and they can be harder to convince than juries. 

[Paninistickers]

1 hour ago, Robo61 said:

Since when did a criminal court in the UK, decide a case on the balance of probability.

Correct. Thanks to @ClaphamFox who articulated my own thoughts better than me. 

 

A jury, although instructed by a judge of what aspects to weigh up, in a case like Madeleine McCann may well go (subconsciously) with the balance of probability, whereas a judge based system in Germany are much less likely to let emotion influence their decision..

 

The Lucy Letby case is a good example. No way was the case beyond reasonable doubt.  But the balance of probability - no doubt factored into the jury's process - is extremely high. 

[LanguedocFox]

14 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

Correct. Thanks to @ClaphamFox who articulated my own thoughts better than me. 

 

A jury, although instructed by a judge of what aspects to weigh up, in a case like Madeleine McCann may well go (subconsciously) with the balance of probability, whereas a judge based system in Germany are much less likely to let emotion influence their decision..

 

The Lucy Letby case is a good example. No way was the case beyond reasonable doubt.  But the balance of probability - no doubt factored into the jury's process - is extremely high. 

The Lucy Letby case is an example of very poor defending, and an inexplicable bias in police and medical evidence. It’s clear from subsequent investigations (see, for example, Private Eye’s continuing series) that there is reasonable doubt in several of the cases. Our appeals system needs updating, but eventually I’m sure Letby will be released.

[FLAN]

German police conducting new searches