Madeleine McCann

[The Year Of The Fox]

The thing that gets me with this is how callous the Portuguese police, public and media come across. Regardless of what happened to her she is still missing and the Portuguese don't seem to give a shit to the point that their 'investigation' seems a shambles

[Bettsj2]

The thing that gets me with this is how callous the Portuguese police, public and media come across. Regardless of what happened to her she is still missing and the Portuguese don't seem to give a shit to the point that their 'investigation' seems a shambles

There's been a worldwide media campaign and countless private investigations all turning up nothing.

What more could any police force add?

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I guess these stories of girls being found after 10 years captivity in the US or the Josef Fritzl basement saga means you can't give up looking until you either find a body or find her alive. The Ben Needham disappearance 20+ years ago .is another mystery, their was a search of some land in Greece recently but didn't turn up anything.

[Facecloth]

There's been a worldwide media campaign and countless private investigations all turning up nothing.

What more could any police force add?

The police shouldn't be adding, the police should be leading. The fact that any hint of possible outcomes have been found by the media or British police is pathetic. Look at the bit if waste ground next to apartment they're searching, they've found some corrugated metal covering a hole. If that was there 7 years ago, why the hell wasn't it found. They obviously have no idea if it was there back then because they're taking a good look now. Not really good enough is it.

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

The crime took place in Portugal and there is no law against what they did out there for 'negligence'.

 

And if a single Mum on benefits was out in a fancy resort in Portugal I'd certainly expect them to be locked up when they got back for whatever false claims they were making.

 

I'm sure there is a law against it in Portugal, even if it is worded differently.

 

Doesn't matter if you go to a fancy restaurant, to a pub, to the chippy etc, but of course, the fact someone is cheating the benefits system in this scenario is MUCH worse and more important than being responsible for the death of your child.

[The Year Of The Fox]

The police shouldn't be adding, the police should be leading. The fact that any hint of possible outcomes have been found by the media or British police is pathetic. Look at the bit if waste ground next to apartment they're searching, they've found some corrugated metal covering a hole. If that was there 7 years ago, why the hell wasn't it found. They obviously have no idea if it was there back then because they're taking a good look now. Not really good enough is it.

Exactly

[l444ry]

The police shouldn't be adding, the police should be leading. The fact that any hint of possible outcomes have been found by the media or British police is pathetic. Look at the bit if waste ground next to apartment they're searching, they've found some corrugated metal covering a hole. If that was there 7 years ago, why the hell wasn't it found. They obviously have no idea if it was there back then because they're taking a good look now. Not really good enough is it.

What exactly have the Met Police actually added to this case that wasn't already known, investigated and dismissed years ago . Would be very shocked if they found a body on this scrubland either despite all the media hot air. All the info they need is in the PJ case files.

Edited 5 June 2014 by l444ry

[Jon the Hat]

What exactly have the Met Police actually added to this case that wasn't already known, investigated and dismissed years ago?Would be very shocked if they found a body on this scrubland either. All hot air to justify the ridiculous amount of taxpayers money allocated by Cameron and May. All the info they need is in the PJ case files.

 

You would be shocked if a proper search of nearby wasteland found a body why?  It is not clear that this was searched properly 7 years ago is it?

[l444ry]

Not going down the route that the Sardine Munchers bungled the initial investigation Jon.  

 

 

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/06/maddie-case-searching-for-evidence-of.html

 

QUOTE: "They admit, however, that the body could have been removed, at a later time, from the location where it was hidden and that it is now possible to detect any clues that were left on the ground."

If this statement reaches blighty in the nationals , even the biggest pro McCann supporter will realise NO killer/burglar/abductor would return to re-bury a corpse, and the only logical conclusion will start to dawn. 

Edited 5 June 2014 by l444ry

[Nick]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27745593

[broughtonblue]

What's always rubbed me the wrong way with all this is the way the parents are viewed upon by the world at large, simply because they are middle class people with respectable jobs. They should of been/should be locked up for negligence. If this was a single mum on benefits who did what they did she would of been absolutely tortured by the press and locked up. They fvcked off for a drink/meal and left their kids alone in a holiday complex in a foreign country, I think it's disgraceful they have gotten away with it, whether they actually did do it or not, they are directly responsible for her death through negligence.

And if that article is implicating that she is under a bit of wood/iron a few yards from the complex and they've spent 7 years searching for her, well that just beggars belief on all levels. Poor kid.

Agree 100%

Whenever I see them on tv it winds me up

[Steven]

[Bettsj2]

The police shouldn't be adding, the police should be leading. The fact that any hint of possible outcomes have been found by the media or British police is pathetic. Look at the bit if waste ground next to apartment they're searching, they've found some corrugated metal covering a hole. If that was there 7 years ago, why the hell wasn't it found. They obviously have no idea if it was there back then because they're taking a good look now. Not really good enough is it.

All just Conjecture and speculation which is all anyone has ever been able to offer on this because people are not telling the whole story.

If you do a bit of digging, you'll find out that in actual fact, th Portugese and British Police worked together on this from the start (forensic testig being analysed in Birmingham for instance) but nobody has turned up anything. Why? Who knows. Whatever the truth, personally I think its highly doubtful they will ever find the little girl dead or alive.

Given the time passed and the profile of the case, if someone other than the tapas brigade knew anything, they would have come forward by now.

[Nick]

Not going down the route that the Sardine Munchers bungled the initial investigation Jon.  

 

 

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/06/maddie-case-searching-for-evidence-of.html

 

QUOTE: "They admit, however, that the body could have been removed, at a later time, from the location where it was hidden and that it is now possible to detect any clues that were left on the ground."

If this statement reaches blighty in the nationals , even the biggest pro McCann supporter will realise NO killer/burglar/abductor would return to re-bury a corpse, and the only logical conclusion will start to dawn. 

 

Unless you are a police officer who has specific access to all the information and know things that nobody else does, I find your narrative a bit overconfident.

 

I don't wish to be as judgemental as you are over individuals but your rhetoric since the commencement of this thread has been guilty until proven innocent.

 

Unless you have a Unicorn Batman up your sleeve, I'm gonna need some further solid evidence to buy into your tirade on the family.

 

[l444ry]

Gonçalo Amaral, the former coordinator of the Judiciary Police who once headed the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, lambasted the English police thesis and spoke of "farce and staged".

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6buNwgT3Wk

 

Gonçalo Amaral - There are English journalists who speak of a farce, of something that is being staged for the media, and perhaps there's nothing more than that. What is risky and very serious it's this attempt to produce a new thesis - the thesis that was divulged recently - of someone who commits a theft, gets scared by a 3-year-old child, murders the child for that reason and then whisks the body away, that to me sounds rather preposterous.
 

Edited 8 June 2014 by l444ry

[Nick]

There isn't a lot about every angle of this case that does not seem unlikely or preposterous.

[MPH]

Let's imagine if it was the other way round. Would we allow another nations police force send tens of officers over to our shores to conduct an investigation whilst at the same time hearing them pretty much accuse us of incompetence?

[Babylon]

Not going down the route that the Sardine Munchers bungled the initial investigation Jon.

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/06/maddie-case-searching-for-evidence-of.html

QUOTE: "They admit, however, that the body could have been removed, at a later time, from the location where it was hidden and that it is now possible to detect any clues that were left on the ground."

If this statement reaches blighty in the nationals , even the biggest pro McCann supporter will realise NO killer/burglar/abductor would return to re-bury a corpse, and the only logical conclusion will start to dawn.

So no killer will return to bury a body? Yet if the parents are the killer they will?

Makes no sense.

The only reason ANYONE would return is to conceal possible evidence and that goes for burglar/abductor or parent.

[l444ry]

So no killer will return to bury a body? Yet if the parents are the killer they will?

Makes no sense.

The only reason ANYONE would return is to conceal possible evidence and that goes for burglar/abductor or parent.

Good for you if you think a burglar turned murderer would return to the scene. Funny that Madeleine's DNA was found in the McCanns hire car three weeks after she went missing though.....don't you think? 

Edited 8 June 2014 by l444ry

[Nick]

Good for you if you think a burglar turned murderer would return to the scene. Funny that Madeleine's DNA was found in the McCanns hire car three weeks after she went missing though.....don't you think? 

 

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id190.html

[l444ry]

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id190.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8NVS-_19g0

 

 

 

"Use of the method was briefly suspended last year after the Omagh bombing trial judge questioned its credibility.

Professor Brian Caddy's report concluded the technique was fundamentally sound, but not being used as effectively as possible."

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7341251.stm

Edited 8 June 2014 by l444ry

[MPH]

Good for you if you think a burglar turned murderer would return to the scene. Funny that Madeleine's DNA was found in the McCanns hire car three weeks after she went missing though.....don't you think?

Are you being serious? 3 weeks?

Human DNA can survive away from the human body for several thousand years.

In other words, the only evidence you have suggests that at some stage in the last 7 thousand years a 3 year old girl Or her clothing OR ANYTHING SHE HAS EVER TOUCHED has been in the same car that her parents owned/ used

Edited 8 June 2014 by MPH

[l444ry]

Are you being serious? 3 weeks?

Human DNA can survive away from the human body for several thousand years.

In other words, the only evidence you have suggests that at some stage in the last 7 thousand years a 3 year old girl Or her clothing OR ANYTHING SHE HAS EVER TOUCHED has been in the same car that her parents owned/ used

 

There was also Cadaver odour detected by the dogs. Blood samples were found in the hire car which matched that found in their holiday flat. All very well stating the obvious that contaminated DNA can be transferred.........but blood samples showed a decomposing body? 

Edited 9 June 2014 by l444ry

[Babylon]

Good for you if you think a burglar turned murderer would return to the scene.

You said a killer would not return to the scene, yet you are suggesting theparents are the killers and they did return to the scene. The second part of which somewhat ruins the first part of the argument.

 

If x person, whomever it may have been believes they could have left evidence, and that the evidence could implicate them, then there is a good chance they might return to the scene to remove the evidence. Whether that be the parents or anyone else.

 

 

Funny that Madeleine's DNA was found in the McCanns hire car three weeks after she went missing though.....don't you think? 

That has absolutely nothing to do with the point you were making.

 

[l444ry]

You said a killer would not return to the scene, yet you are suggesting theparents are the killers and they did return to the scene. The second part of which somewhat ruins the first part of the argument.

 

If x person, whomever it may have been believes they could have left evidence, and that the evidence could implicate them, then there is a good chance they might return to the scene to remove the evidence. Whether that be the parents or anyone else.

 

 

That has absolutely nothing to do with the point you were making.

 

Not at all Babs! I was trying to highlight the fact that SY are introducing a new thesis based on burglars returning to the scene. They have been propagating all manner of scenarios except that of the PJ. That's why I also suggested it was unlikely a body or anything else would be found on the scrubland initially searched by hundreds of Portuguese Police at the outset, and consequently doubt burglars or anyone else went back to recover a body.

 

The loose point I was making is that IF Cadaver and DNA from a decomposing body was found in the McCanns hire car three weeks after going missing, why are SY not looking at this thesis?