Holloway Resigns as Plymouth manager

[eaststandtom]

I'm only 17 and I think I have more constructive things to say than a lot of you. You say your a bigger club, which i agree with, but only just. At the end of the day, we were playing in the old Division three not so long back, weren't you in the premiership then? I'm not sure. in the mean time weve jumped up two leagues and are on the verge of the play off places and you are in 17th place in the championship. If you're such a bigger club then why are you so low down in the table? Even with uncertainty with managers, you should still have a team good enough ( with your 'huge spending power') to be at least top half. The population of plymouth is 250-300k, whats Leicesters population? I cant see you going up to the prem any time soon, because Manadaric wont be able to get any manager anywhere near as good as Harry Redknapp, who got Pompey up (under MIlan). It might sound naive but I could name a lot of the playing squads from the 'big' clubs in the Championship but i couldn't name many of Leicester's. You've had the money, but you havent done much with it in terms of results and league positions on the pitch in my opinion.

Anyway, im not particularly bothered about Ollie leaving. Yes he was a good manager, but he could be replaced by an equally good manager in Paul Sturrock, who i think is the only man who could get most of our decent players to sign new contracts. He performed miracles down here, evryone loves him. With similar results to Holloway's he have the crowds up. The only thing I'm worried about is if Ollie takes our best players up to leicester with him for nothing. I can see it happening though, why wouldnt he? I would if i was in his position. Sturrock gets teams promoted, I think we'll have a better, more tactically astute manager in him. Ollie is shooting himself in the foot. He says he dislikes these chairmen who don't give managers a chance, he always moans about it, and he's decided to work for arguably the worst chairman for that. Out of revenge I hope that either we keep his contract running, Mandaric gets pissed off, hires some other average manager and then Ollie is left unemployed. And when we have dumped Ollie in the shit, we are sitting happily high up in the table with sturrock at the helm. It's not because he left us for a slightly bigger club, it's because he over exaggerated to such extremes how much the club, people and area meant to him. We would respect him if he left without giving us all that bullshit. However if I was in his position I wouldn't have talked all that crap, I would have moved to the ever so slightly bigger, hugely underachieving, club with dignity, unlike Mr. Holloway.

Thankyou and goodnight.

to be honest i wouldnt disagree with many of your points there.

city have been a shambles for far too long and our recent 'managers' have added to this farce.

martin allen and megson have just rocked the boat whether it be through poor signings or simply deserting after 6 weeks(granted for the prem but under exceptional circumstances).

holloway has done well at all of his clubs under the set of boundaries each club has. its all relative. just because he hasnt managed in the prem or got a promotion doesnt count for everything. it helps for sure but not always.

i think leicester compared to plymouth have big differences which could mean holloway can do a job and would appeal to him.

city population has bugger all to do with it. the resources through the fanbase and finances mean he will have bigger boundaries to work within meaning more room to test himself and more strides and ground to potentially make.having said this, before milan came along you could certainly say that plymouth, albeit fanbase wise, were the bigger club cos city were a shambles.

at least we have that area sorted.at least we can build on those foundations and try and get some sort of team together to climb up the table to your neck of the woods cos as we know, in this day and age, stability behind the scenes helps with the team.

i personally feel sorry for argyle. i like you guys. good team, always do well against us etc.hopefully that will change for us

[reynard]

Yes it is about money unfortunately.. last season we were skint, now we have a "Daddy Warbucks" - it's the same with Chelski - would Drogba, Essien et al have gone without money but fair point. You probably will put him on gardening leave now, but if he's resigned already, I don't suppose you can do that??

It will depend upon his contract. For us if we choose to leave our current job for another then we in effect resign and then dependent upon our contract 3 things usually happen

1 we work a pre agreed period of notice.

2 our current employers refuse to accept our resignation and attempt to keep us there with inducements.

3 by mutual agreement we can leave with immediate effect to start our new job.

In positions where there is no agreement our current employer can put us on gardening leave until the stipulated period of notice is served, ok we wont go to work but they will still pay us in the meantime we may not be free to take up alternative employment. This is currently happening where i work where someone is on 12 months "gardening leave". Though I can't see plymouth doing this they could feel aggrieved enough to insist on Holloway serving his full notice period. This is what QPR did and effectively stopped him from joining us then.

[Finnegan]

Oh ffs. Seriously. For the last time:

Leicester City's Bank Balance > My bank balance > Plymouth Argyle's bank balance.

It's that simple. We've won things, you haven't, we've a 30'000 seater, you haven't, we'll fill it when we're doing well, you are and you don't. END. OF. STORY.

[The People's Hero]

I see a future for him as an insurance salesman now .

How very dare you!

[thybluefox]

Oh ffs. Seriously. For the last time:

Leicester City's Bank Balance > My bank balance > Plymouth Argyle's bank balance.

It's that simple. We've won things, you haven't, we've a 30'000 seater, you haven't, we'll fill it when we're doing well, you are and you don't. END. OF. STORY.

fooking spot on. How does the how the good the team is, on a basic level, reflect the size of the club. Leeds, were doing rubbish, still in league 1, but a massive club, definitely bigger than Argyle. You're (Argyle) a small club, currently punching above your weight, you might get promoted, but lets face it, you'll be straight back down again.

[GO GADGET GO]

I'm only 17 and I think I have more constructive things to say than a lot of you. You say your a bigger club, which i agree with, but only just. At the end of the day, we were playing in the old Division three not so long back, weren't you in the premiership then? I'm not sure. in the mean time weve jumped up two leagues and are on the verge of the play off places and you are in 17th place in the championship. If you're such a bigger club then why are you so low down in the table? Even with uncertainty with managers, you should still have a team good enough ( with your 'huge spending power') to be at least top half. The population of plymouth is 250-300k, whats Leicesters population? I cant see you going up to the prem any time soon, because Manadaric wont be able to get any manager anywhere near as good as Harry Redknapp, who got Pompey up (under MIlan). It might sound naive but I could name a lot of the playing squads from the 'big' clubs in the Championship but i couldn't name many of Leicester's. You've had the money, but you havent done much with it in terms of results and league positions on the pitch in my opinion.

Anyway, im not particularly bothered about Ollie leaving. Yes he was a good manager, but he could be replaced by an equally good manager in Paul Sturrock, who i think is the only man who could get most of our decent players to sign new contracts. He performed miracles down here, evryone loves him. With similar results to Holloway's he have the crowds up. The only thing I'm worried about is if Ollie takes our best players up to leicester with him for nothing. I can see it happening though, why wouldnt he? I would if i was in his position. Sturrock gets teams promoted, I think we'll have a better, more tactically astute manager in him. Ollie is shooting himself in the foot. He says he dislikes these chairmen who don't give managers a chance, he always moans about it, and he's decided to work for arguably the worst chairman for that. Out of revenge I hope that either we keep his contract running, Mandaric gets pissed off, hires some other average manager and then Ollie is left unemployed. And when we have dumped Ollie in the shit, we are sitting happily high up in the table with sturrock at the helm. It's not because he left us for a slightly bigger club, it's because he over exaggerated to such extremes how much the club, people and area meant to him. We would respect him if he left without giving us all that bullshit. However if I was in his position I wouldn't have talked all that crap, I would have moved to the ever so slightly bigger, hugely underachieving, club with dignity, unlike Mr. Holloway.

Thankyou and goodnight.

You plymouth fans certainly seem to have a lot to say considering your not bothered.

[GO GADGET GO]

I'm not being funny mate but its not about whether you are a bigger club or not. Its the fact that 3 days ago he was saying stuff about how hes not going to leave plymouth and how he cares to much about the players to leave the club and other shit like that. If he had just shut his gob and wasn't such a hypocrite it wouldnt have been half as bad. Ian holloway is a dishonest, hypocritical manager who is just in it for the money, lets be honest here you dont exactly have the best team (dont take offence and start mouthing off but you just have to look at your league position for proof). To be honest i hope Argyle put holloway on gardening leave. Also how the hell is going to another championship side a move up in his carrer and lets face it holloway is nothing more then a last minuite scramble by Mandaric to get a manager in time for your next game.

... Yes as you can tell i am a plymouth fan

Thats exactly what you are being

(can't arue with you regarding the team though).

[Mickey O'Neil]

Getting Holloway leaves me in two minds really - the problem is that as a manager I reckon he's rather good, but after all the stuff he's just come out with about loving Plymouth etc., it does leave a bit of disappointment really, as he seemed to be a refreshing thing - someone in football who was happy where he was and would be straightforward and honest.

Don't let that worry you mate. Just tell yourself that nobody in football is loyal and you'll be ok

[Neil982]

Every manager under the sun plays that trick. Mark "Judas" McGhee was a prime example. Just yesterday a woman I work with who ran the conferencing for 10 years at Filbert Street told me how he went round saying how much he loved the club and how he loved the people and how he'd never leave, then low and behold, what does he do, slip his resignation letter under the chairmans door last thing before he left work for the final time. Thats just one example but football managers, much like a lot of people, LIKE MONEY £££. Sure they're gonna say they love the club and this that and the other, it would be foolish to burn your bridges before your sure you've got the job you've probably been approached for days or weeks before. It's all about looking after NUMBER ONE! and thats exactly what they do, as do many other people in all walks of life.

[Parky]

According to the Merc maybe by the end of the day.......

Leicester City's move for Ian Holloway as their new manager is still on, even though Plymouth are trying to throw a spanner in the works.

Holloway yesterday handed in his resignation in writing to the Argyle board.

That was on the supposition, fuelled by speculation, that City might be watching developments with interest.

But the Home Park board say they will not discuss the matter until a meeting tomorrow, meaning Holloway would, technically, still be under contract until they accept his resignation.

That would show the Argyle fans that the club are trying to hang on to him.

But, as City found with previous boss Gary Megson, once a manager decides he wants to leave, he is already gone.

So the only barrier to the move being completed is the question of compensation, which should be thrashed out later today.

That leaves the near certainty of Holloway still being named as City's new boss by this evening once personal terms have been agreed.

As both sides confirmed that there had been no official approach for the 44-year-old, the only way Holloway could make himself available was to resign.

City chairman Milan Mandaric, set to start talks with Holloway today, said: “He is the sort of man I want, he could be the right man for the job and, the fact that he has resigned from Plymouth, means that I am free to approach him.

“And, if we reach agreement, I will start to put together not only a package for the new manager, but also for compensation for Plymouth.

“I think his actions in resigning shows to me he has honour and integrity by leaving in the right way.

“And I believe the fans will be able to see the sort of strong character we could be getting, if he has made this move in the hope of possibly becoming our new manager. It shows he is ambitious and looks on us as a big club and the job as a big challenge.

“We still have a lot of work to do on this but I am very optimistic it can all be sorted out very soon.

“It has been very hard work looking for a new manager and I have to admit it has been a difficult time. But I think now we are nearly there.â€

Holloway's arrival would cut it fine for Saturday's trip to his home town to face Bristol City, and the caretaker team of Frank Burrows and Gerry Taggart may remain in place.

It is also not clear yet what staff Holloway might want to bring with him from Home Park.

[Simi]

Holloway at the Walkers now.

[mancunianfox]

Whats the issue with loyalty?

Its a football managers job to big up the club. They have to give the supporters something to believe in and they have to sell them the idea that they love the place, the club, the fans etc. It doesn't mean that they do but it is an important part of the job that they are being employed to do because...

1) Having the fans onside can give the team confidence

2) The club have to sell tickets

3) Fan pressure can lead them to losing their job

If a manager has ambitions elsewhere or issues with the club it is best not aired in public. What if Megson had been honest and said that he only wanted the Leicester job until something better came along and only saw it as a stopgap to get him back into employment. It would have been the truth but it would have gone down like a f**ked elevator. Its a managers job to lie. Its not a case of being a judas or anything else....its just being professional.

Its the same as Mandaric saying 'I'm not interested in Holloway' when he clearly was. Its a way of being courteous to other clubs and trying not to upset the applecart. Plymouth would have reacted too kindly to Mandaric tapping up their manager though the media and he knew that would make negotiations more difficult. Holloway expressed his desire to stay should the move have not come off as well. Everyone in football is always covering their ass should anything happen.

[Simi]

Holloway apolgises to Plymouth fans. Says..

"Sometimes you just need to be the Bride and not the Bridesmaid"

[southerner]

Leicester are a bigger club than argyle in terms of attendance. But was it not just a couple of years ago that you were in administration? how long do you think Mandacock is going to stay with a mediocre championship club, losing money before he gets bored? Yes you have been in the premiership before, 4 years ago. What have done since falling out of there? (15th in championship, 16th below argyle, 19th 14 points below argyle, and currently 17th) So for such a massive club with such amazing support and such a good ikea stadium you're putting on a really good act of being just another southampton or sheff wed, a club that thinks theyre huge but has to constantly talk in past tense. As for the amazing job holloway did at argyle, he steered a team languishing in 14th place in the championship to the upper realms of 11th. We are a club on the up and he was just the latest man to help that happen. We will find another manager just as good as holloway and will probably make quite a hefty profit, you on the other hand will give us at least £250,000 and then holloway about the same amount when you sack him after 3months. Youre not a big club, your just the latest laughing stock of english football. Love from the countryside, where we inhale fresh air, not smog.

[Pilgrim_Youth]

Ok, population does matter because it affects fanbase.

We are a two-sport city, actually, Plymouth Albion play in the second tier of English rugby.

You might have got a few trophies and played in the premiership, but what are you doing now? thats what counts, or do you lot like living in the past?

With regards to players, Aljofree has gone.

Your best players are on loan, Fulop and John, you cant really count them, I wouldnt count Lee Martin or Scott Sinclair last season.

Bruno N'gotty is basically 'sloppy seconds' from Bolton.

Carl Cort's best days are long gone.

And like i said, Clemence is your best signing in years.

I do rate Matty Fryatt though.

Well if your a big club why cant you appoint a half decent manager? You can't attract quality managers like the big clubs do.

We do more with our resources than you do. Norris for a 5 figure some, one of the best players in the league now.

Like one of your fans said, Halmosi for a quarter for DJ Campbell, thats shocking, we use our money wisely. Campbell's not proven anyway.

Your team is average, well how they play as a team anyway, two many new signings all the time which are all average. We always add players that improve our team.

Like I said I would do the same as Holloway, and try to actually run it as a 'big club', which can be done but hasnt been done for a while.

We're punching above our weight? So our 3 seasons in this league read 17th, 14th, 11th and 7th so far. I think that looks like we're becoming more and more established each year in the championship actually. i think many would agree there.

Yes managers do it but just not to the extreme Ollie has. He over exagerated so much, there was no need to do it so much.

And the guy who's bank balance is greater than Argyle's, what do you ddo for a living, I'd like to know?

[izzetafox?]

Leicester are a bigger club than argyle in terms of attendance. But was it not just a couple of years ago that you were in administration? how long do you think Mandacock is going to stay with a mediocre championship club, losing money before he gets bored? Yes you have been in the premiership before, 4 years ago. What have done since falling out of there? (15th in championship, 16th below argyle, 19th 14 points below argyle, and currently 17th) So for such a massive club with such amazing support and such a good ikea stadium you're putting on a really good act of being just another southampton or sheff wed, a club that thinks theyre huge but has to constantly talk in past tense. As for the amazing job holloway did at argyle, he steered a team languishing in 14th place in the championship to the upper realms of 11th. We are a club on the up and he was just the latest man to help that happen. We will find another manager just as good as holloway and will probably make quite a hefty profit, you on the other hand will give us at least £250,000 and then holloway about the same amount when you sack him after 3months. Youre not a big club, your just the latest laughing stock of english football. Love from the countryside, where we inhale fresh air, not smog.

Bitter?

[Sparky]

Ok, population does matter because it affects fanbase.

We are a two-sport city, actually, Plymouth Albion play in the second tier of English rugby.

You might have got a few trophies and played in the premiership, but what are you doing now? thats what counts, or do you lot like living in the past?

With regards to players, Aljofree has gone.

Your best players are on loan, Fulop and John, you cant really count them, I wouldnt count Lee Martin or Scott Sinclair last season.

Bruno N'gotty is basically 'sloppy seconds' from Bolton.

Carl Cort's best days are long gone.

And like i said, Clemence is your best signing in years.

I do rate Matty Fryatt though.

Well if your a big club why cant you appoint a half decent manager? You can't attract quality managers like the big clubs do.

We do more with our resources than you do. Norris for a 5 figure some, one of the best players in the league now.

Like one of your fans said, Halmosi for a quarter for DJ Campbell, thats shocking, we use our money wisely. Campbell's not proven anyway.

Your team is average, well how they play as a team anyway, two many new signings all the time which are all average. We always add players that improve our team.

Like I said I would do the same as Holloway, and try to actually run it as a 'big club', which can be done but hasnt been done for a while.

We're punching above our weight? So our 3 seasons in this league read 17th, 14th, 11th and 7th so far. I think that looks like we're becoming more and more established each year in the championship actually. i think many would agree there.

Yes managers do it but just not to the extreme Ollie has. He over exagerated so much, there was no need to do it so much.

And the guy who's bank balance is greater than Argyle's, what do you ddo for a living, I'd like to know?

its a fair point , u know i think you got enough about you to stay up this season , next season will be tougher though

[teblin]

Ok, population does matter because it affects fanbase.

We are a two-sport city, actually, Plymouth Albion play in the second tier of English rugby.

You might have got a few trophies and played in the premiership, but what are you doing now? thats what counts, or do you lot like living in the past?

With regards to players, Aljofree has gone.

Your best players are on loan, Fulop and John, you cant really count them, I wouldnt count Lee Martin or Scott Sinclair last season.

Bruno N'gotty is basically 'sloppy seconds' from Bolton.

Carl Cort's best days are long gone.

And like i said, Clemence is your best signing in years.

I do rate Matty Fryatt though.

Well if your a big club why cant you appoint a half decent manager? You can't attract quality managers like the big clubs do.

We do more with our resources than you do. Norris for a 5 figure some, one of the best players in the league now.

Like one of your fans said, Halmosi for a quarter for DJ Campbell, thats shocking, we use our money wisely. Campbell's not proven anyway.

Your team is average, well how they play as a team anyway, two many new signings all the time which are all average. We always add players that improve our team.

Like I said I would do the same as Holloway, and try to actually run it as a 'big club', which can be done but hasnt been done for a while.

We're punching above our weight? So our 3 seasons in this league read 17th, 14th, 11th and 7th so far. I think that looks like we're becoming more and more established each year in the championship actually. i think many would agree there.

Yes managers do it but just not to the extreme Ollie has. He over exagerated so much, there was no need to do it so much.

And the guy who's bank balance is greater than Argyle's, what do you ddo for a living, I'd like to know?

WE ARE A BIGGER CLUB!!!!

We get twice the amount of fans you do at home games, thats makes us a bigger club.

You have a better team at the moment, but that could change within 6 weeks.

[southerner]

Bitter?

i would call it pointing out the facts

[Jimmy]

Leicester are a bigger club than argyle in terms of attendance. But was it not just a couple of years ago that you were in administration? how long do you think Mandacock is going to stay with a mediocre championship club, losing money before he gets bored? Yes you have been in the premiership before, 4 years ago. What have done since falling out of there? (15th in championship, 16th below argyle, 19th 14 points below argyle, and currently 17th) So for such a massive club with such amazing support and such a good ikea stadium you're putting on a really good act of being just another southampton or sheff wed, a club that thinks theyre huge but has to constantly talk in past tense. As for the amazing job holloway did at argyle, he steered a team languishing in 14th place in the championship to the upper realms of 11th. We are a club on the up and he was just the latest man to help that happen. We will find another manager just as good as holloway and will probably make quite a hefty profit, you on the other hand will give us at least £250,000 and then holloway about the same amount when you sack him after 3months. Youre not a big club, your just the latest laughing stock of english football. Love from the countryside, where we inhale fresh air, not smog.

well he was at pompey for almost a decade before they finally got promotion and you can talk about us not being a big club all you want but you are a nothing club, a never was club

[Fez of Mahrez]

Listen, you'll get a lot of bites and people will get wound up by the whole "big club" debate but when all is said and done, we've nicked your manager because we're a bigger club, you'll go back to your messageboard (eventually, so help me God) and we'll be left in peace to talk about our club together.

[Ric Flair]

Look fella's, I know you're royally pissed off. I would be as well, but if you can't see why Ian Holloway would come here over staying with you then there's no point even debating it. We're all football fans that will be biased towards our own club because that's the way it goes.

Whether you like it or not, Ian Holloway has come here for some reason. That reason is money, when clubs have more money than another club it's usually then deemed that thet club is perhaps a bigger fish.

We've been diabolical for several years now, no excuses. Poor running of the club, crap managers, crap players. We've now got an owner who wants to make a quick profit on us, not a problem, as to do that he'll have to make us successful, i.e. get us promoted and then sell us on. He's not messing about, he's made mistakes, but he's quick to try and rectify that by changing managers and buying and selling players if need be.

To some managers who want to better themselves they'll look at Leicester and see it as a great challenge to make us successful again. Any manager who brings us success again, will be a hero. Holloway craves having his ego stroked, he'll get that should he make us a force in this league. Let's face it, with a few quid and a half decent squad and manager and you can get promoted from this league. It's not really about quality at this level, more grit and determination and a good team spirit and ethic. Holloway know's that, he's seen what he can do with limited funds. He'll be excited about what he can do with a few million quid and some good youngsters already at this club (won the English Academy League Under 18's last season).

You'll be alright anyway, you've done superbly over the past few seasons and if you get Sturrock back I think he'll kick you on perhaps another level.

[oggie]

According to the Merc maybe by the end of the day.......

Leicester City's move for Ian Holloway as their new manager is still on, even though Plymouth are trying to throw a spanner in the works.

Holloway yesterday handed in his resignation in writing to the Argyle board.

That was on the supposition, fuelled by speculation, that City might be watching developments with interest.

But the Home Park board say they will not discuss the matter until a meeting tomorrow, meaning Holloway would, technically, still be under contract until they accept his resignation.

That would show the Argyle fans that the club are trying to hang on to him.

But, as City found with previous boss Gary Megson, once a manager decides he wants to leave, he is already gone.

So the only barrier to the move being completed is the question of compensation, which should be thrashed out later today.

That leaves the near certainty of Holloway still being named as City's new boss by this evening once personal terms have been agreed.

As both sides confirmed that there had been no official approach for the 44-year-old, the only way Holloway could make himself available was to resign.

City chairman Milan Mandaric, set to start talks with Holloway today, said: “He is the sort of man I want, he could be the right man for the job and, the fact that he has resigned from Plymouth, means that I am free to approach him.

“And, if we reach agreement, I will start to put together not only a package for the new manager, but also for compensation for Plymouth.

“I think his actions in resigning shows to me he has honour and integrity by leaving in the right way.

“And I believe the fans will be able to see the sort of strong character we could be getting, if he has made this move in the hope of possibly becoming our new manager. It shows he is ambitious and looks on us as a big club and the job as a big challenge.

“We still have a lot of work to do on this but I am very optimistic it can all be sorted out very soon.

“It has been very hard work looking for a new manager and I have to admit it has been a difficult time. But I think now we are nearly there.â€

Holloway's arrival would cut it fine for Saturday's trip to his home town to face Bristol City, and the caretaker team of Frank Burrows and Gerry Taggart may remain in place.

It is also not clear yet what staff Holloway might want to bring with him from Home Park.

Ha ha!

[Pilgrim_Youth]

It's not about staying up with us, not reaching the play offs or finishing in the top 10 will be a dissapointmet. Relegation isn't an issue since our first time in this league.

Us a nothing club? you havent got a clue. All Leicester have is history and potential.

[Sparky]

It's not about staying up with us, not reaching the play offs or finishing in the top 10 will be a dissapointmet. Relegation isn't an issue since our first time in this league.

Us a nothing club? you havent got a clue. All Leicester have is history and potential.

ok thats 2 to us , what u got prey tell me ?