Tommy G Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 It might just be me, but I think Clemence has been largely dissapointing for us since his summer move. I was hoping (along with a large number of other people) that he would be somewhat of a God in the centre of the park for us ala a new Muzzy Izzet. This so far has not been the case. He was such an influencial player for Birmingham last season and was paramount to them getting promoted. He was however surrounded by quality players in every area of the pitch, unlike at city. I think that has been the key factor this season for him. The lack of quality in our squad has sucked him into the same level as the 'average joe's' in our line-up, he only seems to shine when surrounded by other decent players as last season proved. From the games I've been to I haven't seen a performance to warrant the hype that was surrounding him when he moved. He has shown some neat touches and little sparkles during the game where his quality shines through but it's not on a consistant basis. I have no doubt however that when he is settled and we bring a bit more quality in then he will find his feet as show everyone what he is capable of....
Manwell Pablo Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 He's been average and impressed a couple of times, thought he was good against Palace and Forest. One thing he doesn't do is play really poorly. When compared to last seasons midfield is an improvement. I'm sure he'll get better.
hairy Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 I would say he is better then the average joe in the squad and makes some good passes. Ltes not forget we didn't have a midfield before
teblin Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 It might just be me, but I think Clemence has been largely dissapointing for us since his summer move.I was hoping (along with a large number of other people) that he would be somewhat of a God in the centre of the park for us ala a new Muzzy Izzet. This so far has not been the case. He was such an influencial player for Birmingham last season and was paramount to them getting promoted. He was however surrounded by quality players in every area of the pitch, unlike at city. I think that has been the key factor this season for him. The lack of quality in our squad has sucked him into the same level as the 'average joe's' in our line-up, he only seems to shine when surrounded by other decent players as last season proved. From the games I've been to I haven't seen a performance to warrant the hype that was surrounding him when he moved. He has shown some neat touches and little sparkles during the game where his quality shines through but it's not on a consistant basis. I have no doubt however that when he is settled and we bring a bit more quality in then he will find his feet as show everyone what he is capable of.... He's a good player, need a partner though, and at the moment the best we have is weso and i'm not convinced he's ready to be a regular.
mancunianfox Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 Looks like a poor mans Stephen Hughes... Sorry...couldn't resist
mat_j101 Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 I thought he'd been ok really. Granted not as good as he played last year, but a decent signing nonetheless.
Cobbo Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 He's had 2 injuries too. He's a quality player and he'll shine through. He'd get into the Championship first 11 in my opinion. He'll show us his class you wait.
Bert Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 He's had 2 injuries too. He's a quality player and he'll shine through. He'd get into the Championship first 11 in my opinion. He'll show us his class you wait. Well said Cobbo.
eaststandtom Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 fook me, compared to last year he is like zinedine zidane good player. had a couple of injuries so needs to get match fitness but runs well, passes well and is authoritative still more to come hopefully
Trav Le Bleu Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 I guess all players are over-rated by some and under-rated by others. The continuous debates in these forums should prove that. It all depends on who you are asking. As such my own opinion is that he is good enough to hold his place in this current team. He's no Lennon or Izzet, but neither is he a Hughes (oooh, that'll cause a stir!)
Ric Flair Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 Clemence hasn't been very impressive but it's easy to see why. It's been the same with all of our midfielders in the past few years. If we play direct football, then the midfield will be by-passed for the majority of the time and therefore it's difficult for any central midfielder to dictate play. Clemence needs the ball at his feet and in space so he can spread the ball about and drive the team forward. He wasn't player of the season in a promotion winning team last season for nothing. He'll get better once he's completely fully fit and once Holloway get's the ideas across to the defence and the rest of the team that movement and passing the ball to feet rather than to the opposition via a launch pad is the way forward.
Scow Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 Clemence would benefit from having an attacking midfielder play alongside him. Clemence can get forward and has a good shot on him, but I think he's most effective sitting in front of the back 4 and intiaiting attacks from there. Clemence and Wesolowski can work, but only if you have good options out wide. Both can win posession and pass the ball but neither has that ability to get in to the box and score goals on a regular basis.
Milans Foxes Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 He's had 2 injuries too. He's a quality player and he'll shine through. He'd get into the Championship first 11 in my opinion. He'll show us his class you wait. so far i have seen little class and he always passes it back never forward. I hope he will prove me wrong but i rekon he massively over achieved last season and won't be doing that again
Cobbo Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 so far i have seen little class and he always passes it back never forward.I hope he will prove me wrong but i rekon he massively over achieved last season and won't be doing that again Well I dunno what games you've been watching. He stands out amount our players and another thing he does is get the lads up for games, which is why he is club captain.
dandannieldanok Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 Doesn't seem like much of a leader on the pitch to me and I have been slightly disappointed with his performances. However my view is tainted because it seems from match ratings threads and post match comments I've missed his good games.
Thracian Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 He's the archetypal Stanley Matthews "seasoned pro". When he has a bad game it's never bad enough for him to be dropped. Like others he came here with a big reputation, walked into the captaincy and everyone seemed to be judging his record rather than his performances. I had a little grumble after about a month - only to have his record rammed down my throat like Kaebi's 50 caps. As has been stated he's certainly an improvement on the likes of Hughes, Jarrett and Johnson but no-one could seriously suggest he's been any more than average. That said he, as skipper, would have possibly felt the internal upheavals more than others. His season has been interrupted by injury and our midfield generally has been decimated at times. We've also lacked specialist wingers which have severely limited passing options for all our midfielders, not that the fact will be acknowledged or accepted as an excuse for anyone under 21. I think it's important but, whatever, the big thing I'd say in Clemence's favour is that good or bad he's there to be seen. He doesn't opt out or pass responsibility to someone else. When he's out of touch he's seen to be and he still keeps making a contribution. He gives 100% and that's a plus. As the team improves and the weaknesses are mended, I am quite sure he will show his best form. In my view he's suffered a bit from too much responsibility because the team really has had too many shortcomings.
Staf Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 I think that Clemence has been good this year and like someone said when he has got a steady centre midfielder he will be even better
The Stig Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 He's had 2 injuries too. He's a quality player and he'll shine through. He'd get into the Championship first 11 in my opinion. He'll show us his class you wait. You're right, he has quality, one of the few members of the squad that does have quality.
Thracian Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 You're right, he has quality, one of the few members of the squad that does have quality. Lots of the players have quality and a good manager will bring it out. People forget the results members of this squad have put together. All have their failings but they are far better than people give them credit for as I am sure they will start to show now with a manager who seems likely to balance the team properly.
Zingari Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 he didn't cost that much at todays valuations so i don't see him as being overrated, good solid midfielder
mancunianfox Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 Lots of the players have quality and a good manager will bring it out.People forget the results members of this squad have put together. All have their failings but they are far better than people give them credit for as I am sure they will start to show now with a manager who seems likely to balance the team properly. I agree with that 100%.
Simi Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 With the midfield he had last year, it will take him some time to readjust to the style of play we have, also the amount of quality that he has around him. I've got no doubt he will become quality for us. He hasn't been poor or anything like that so far, just steady. He always offers us some composure in midfield and gets the ball on the floor. He does a lot that goes unnoticed for us.
Durnerz Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 Clemence isnt a Muzzy Izzet and shouldn't be compared to Muzzy. Izzet was one of those players who loved to get forward and get into the box and score goals, that was what he thrived on, Clemence is very much a holding player who uses the ball effectively and comes from deep, the only comparison I can make is similar to Andrea Pirlo at AC Milan, I don't ever see him being a player who arrives in the box and gambles, that is the kind of player we are missing at this present time.
Daz.I Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 Disagree strongly to be honet he's been having a few bad games but i'm almost positive he will have more good games this season than bad ones, not only will he play good the guys a real motivator and get's all the other lads going. we are yet to see the best of Clem
shiv Posted 28 November 2007 Posted 28 November 2007 It might just be me, but I think Clemence has been largely dissapointing for us since his summer move.I was hoping (along with a large number of other people) that he would be somewhat of a God in the centre of the park for us ala a new Muzzy Izzet. This so far has not been the case. He was such an influencial player for Birmingham last season and was paramount to them getting promoted. He was however surrounded by quality players in every area of the pitch, unlike at city. I think that has been the key factor this season for him. The lack of quality in our squad has sucked him into the same level as the 'average joe's' in our line-up, he only seems to shine when surrounded by other decent players as last season proved. From the games I've been to I haven't seen a performance to warrant the hype that was surrounding him when he moved. He has shown some neat touches and little sparkles during the game where his quality shines through but it's not on a consistant basis. I have no doubt however that when he is settled and we bring a bit more quality in then he will find his feet as show everyone what he is capable of.... i totally agree with you!
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