Holloway staying (for now)

[He's not bald]

Someone on RL mentioned that Phil Brown was a walking disaster at the sheepshaggers, but look at the fella now. He's about to take a team into the top flight for the first time in their history. How right was he.

Holloway could walk into another job tomorrow and become a success story there. There are no black and white on this issue. He has made some costly mistakes since he arrived and we have paid a heavy price for that. But I just got a personal gut feeling that we'll do well with him at the helm. Don't ask me why and how, that's just how I feel.

Why? How?

[Dom_Harborough Fox]

Anyone who says they were'nt at least partially excited about Oakley and Howard is a liar.

Wouldn't say I was excited by either of them. They were hardly the young, talented & creative players I hoped we would be trying to bring in. Having said that, I thought they were both safe bets. I thought Howard would guarente goals & a strong aerial presence (neither of which he provided regularly) & I expected Oakley to dictate the midfield & weigh in with a few goals himslef (which also failed to happen). Big disappointments!!

[Chimp]

If Holloway gets us up, are all the doubters going to re-visit this thread in a year and say sorry?

Man Utd, Arsenal, Everton, Blackburn, Charlton (Curbishley years), Boro (this season with Southgate) Hull, Ipswich

All clubs that have stuck with their managers and had success because of it. Hull are probably the best role model of that lot. Phil Brown had a bad time at Derby and nearly took Hull down last year. He was given time and now is on the brink of taking what is arguably a League 1 sized club into the Prem.

Brum, Derby, Fulham, Bolton, Sheff Weds, Coventry and us.

All clubs that have chopped & changed managers this season and last and have failed, finished low down or been relegated.

Yes, very good, take a small number of clubs that support your agenda. Why do you ignore the many other cases where sticking with a manager has not made any improvement or the many cases where changing manager has brought success?

I know Holloway's made some blindingly obvious piss-poor decisions but he didn't send any of his teams out to lose. He didn't tell Howard to be a misfiring w@nkstaff, didn't tell Clemence that rugby is the game where you can't pass forward

So why did he continue to give these players a place in the team?

and when the game was getting away from us against Wednesday and a point would have saved us, probably didn't shout "It's alright Humey, fire it 3 yards wide, we don't need to score this penalty".

Maybe if Hume hadn't been isolated on the wing for most of the season then we wouldn't have even been worried about losing to Sheff Weds?

Sure if he's taken us into the bottom four after 10/15 games next season, I'll join the Ollie Out bandwagon

Then that will be another season wasted.

but until then get off the guy's back, give him time and space and he'll come good. Two relegations and we're still fighting amongst ourselves

If he starts getting results then I'll get off his back. It's that simple.

[NorthernFox]

Someone on RL mentioned that Phil Brown was a walking disaster at the sheepshaggers, but look at the fella now. He's about to take a team into the top flight for the first time in their history. How right was he.

Holloway could walk into another job tomorrow and become a success story there. There are no black and white on this issue. He has made some costly mistakes since he arrived and we have paid a heavy price for that. But I just got a personal gut feeling that we'll do well with him at the helm. Don't ask me why and how, that's just how I feel.

Sorry to buck the trend but I'm on your bus.

It might all go Pete Tong but I have an O'Neill esque time coming....

[Ultra]

Raising the name of MON in this thread is sacrilege in the extreme!!!!

How many relegations are on his CV?

[iancognito]

Yes, very good, take a small number of clubs that support your agenda. Why do you ignore the many other cases where sticking with a manager has not made any improvement or the many cases where changing manager has brought success?

What?!? I couldn't think of any, that's why! 20 premiership clubs. None of the top ten changed their managers. 7 of the bottom ten did. Name me the cases where changing a manager brought success, if you can name any, they are a minority.

So why did he continue to give these players a place in the team?

Because he made a mistake. It's a human failing. Martin O'Neill persisted with Fenton, Zagorakis and Gunnlaugsson when they were clearly a grade below the rest. Sack him! He's crap.

Maybe if Hume hadn't been isolated on the wing for most of the season then we wouldn't have even been worried about losing to Sheff Weds?

But he was isolated, that's gone. He had a chance to save the game and blew it. Nothing to do with playing out of position, just an inabbility to hit the net from 12 yards. Had he scored, no-one would have been talking about tactics now, we'd have been looking forward to new signings and a season of new hope.

Then that will be another season wasted.

You may not have noticed, the season lasts for 46 games, not 10-15. If he goes after 10 or so games, there will still be three quarters of the season to play for and - as you point out Chimp - we can make a managerial change and this will bring success to our club because it happens in the majority of cases you tell me.

If he starts getting results then I'll get off his back. It's that simple.

Unlikely. You'll wait for every draw or defeat or poor performance and go overboard about it. And if 20,000 others think the same, no-one will get any success because they'll be too fu<king nervous of making a mistake and the crowd getting on their back. Congratulations, you'll succeed in turning us into Nottingham Forest.

It's precisely these sort of arguments that will ensure our club stays in the lower reaches of league football. If he stays, everyone will be waiting for Holloway to fail so that they can have their pound of flesh and say I told you so. I'd much rather he was given time to build a squad around our talented kids and that we went up in a blaze of glory. If we don't go straight up but play brilliant football and put a few teams to the sword, I'll settle for that as a start. As long as progress is being made, I'll settle for that. As long as the players show some pride in the shirt and TRY to win games, I'll settle for that.

As long as this club is rebuilt from the foundations and everyone pulls in the same direction - eventual promotion - I'll settle for that.

[Ultra]

What?!? I couldn't think of any, that's why! 20 premiership clubs. None of the top ten changed their managers. 7 of the bottom ten did. Name me the cases where changing a manager brought success, if you can name any, they are a minority.

Fulham, Bolton, Wigan, Bolton, Newcastle and Spurs for a start, plus in the Championship, Palace, Norwich, Burnley, Cov, QPR and Preston (plus Southampton when Burley left to take the Scotland job).

Because he made a mistake. It's a human failing. Martin O'Neill persisted with Fenton, Zagorakis and Gunnlaugsson when they were clearly a grade below the rest. Sack him! He's crap.

Theo was quality (as he showed in Euro 2004). The problem for him was that he was never going to displace Lennon, Izzet and Savage from the team. Fenton and Gunnlaugsson were rare dud buys (along with Darren "Sicknote" Eadie) but in the overall scheme of things we can forgive MON for those.

But he was isolated, that's gone. He had a chance to save the game and blew it. Nothing to do with playing out of position, just an inabbility to hit the net from 12 yards. Had he scored, no-one would have been talking about tactics now, we'd have been looking forward to new signings and a season of new hope.

A certain Martin Allen quote from the start of the season springs to mind here. We have to deal with events that actually happened, not "what ifs".

You may not have noticed, the season lasts for 46 games, not 10-15. If he goes after 10 or so games, there will still be three quarters of the season to play for and - as you point out Chimp - we can make a managerial change and this will bring success to our club because it happens in the majority of cases you tell me.

But in a season where promotion will be imperative, it's better to have the right manager in charge from day one.

Unlikely. You'll wait for every draw or defeat or poor performance and go overboard about it.

Based on the current manager's record, that'll be opening day, then..

And if 20,000 others think the same, no-one will get any success because they'll be too fu<king nervous of making a mistake and the crowd getting on their back. Congratulations, you'll succeed in turning us into Nottingham Forest.

Sorry, Mandaric has already beaten the rest of us to it.

It's precisely these sort of arguments that will ensure our club stays in the lower reaches of league football. If he stays, everyone will be waiting for Holloway to fail so that they can have their pound of flesh and say I told you so. I'd much rather he was given time to build a squad around our talented kids and that we went up in a blaze of glory. If we don't go straight up but play brilliant football and put a few teams to the sword, I'll settle for that as a start. As long as progress is being made, I'll settle for that. As long as the players show some pride in the shirt and TRY to win games, I'll settle for that.

And what makes you think that the current managerial team is going to produce this?

As long as this club is rebuilt from the foundations and everyone pulls in the same direction - eventual promotion - I'll settle for that.

It's not going to happen. A large number of fans have lost faith in the current manager and there's no way he can win us back.

[Eastern Fox]

It's precisely these sort of arguments that will ensure our club stays in the lower reaches of league football. If he stays, everyone will be waiting for Holloway to fail so that they can have their pound of flesh and say I told you so. I'd much rather he was given time to build a squad around our talented kids and that we went up in a blaze of glory. If we don't go straight up but play brilliant football and put a few teams to the sword, I'll settle for that as a start. As long as progress is being made, I'll settle for that. As long as the players show some pride in the shirt and TRY to win games, I'll settle for that.

As long as this club is rebuilt from the foundations and everyone pulls in the same direction - eventual promotion - I'll settle for that.

Rebuilding from the foundations suggests replacing the man who is mainly responsible for relegation: the manager. I don't understand these bizzare arguments that blame the players, and not the manager as well. The manager is responsible for recruiting players, selecting them, instructing them tactically, motivating them...Holloway had six months to do this. Who is responsible for performances when teams do well, the players or the manager? Was it the players or the manager that enabled us to win the League Cup in 2000 [sorry memory lapse earlier]? It was both obviously-and when the team performs badly, like last season, the manager has to take some if not most of the responsibility. You can't argue that Holloway has been a good manager or even a competant one. Statistically, he is the second worst manager ever at Leicester. I hope he does well next season if he stays, but nothing he has contributed so far suggests that.

[act smiley]

Was it the players or the manager that enabled us to win the League Cup in 1999? It was both obviously

I don't think both did that.

In fact, I don't think either did.

[Ultra]

Spurs won the League Cup in 1999. We won it in 1997 and 2000.

You can be forgiven for not knowing too much about our history, seeing as many on here forget how dire we've been for the past six months..

[DanTheFoxBhoy]

Probably the best decision that could have been made in these circumstances.

We need stability and a winning mentality back at the club.

Olly has been no worse than any string of managers that people care to sledge since Martin O'Neill.

As for "Olly got us relegated" - bullshit. It's been coming for a long time.

[Smudge]

Having seen what Sky Sports showed of Holloway's interview in a LCFC car park I am less than convinced this is a long term deal. It's business as usual until Mandaric thinks of soemthing different.

[BigGibbo]

It seems there is no better suited replacement in Mandaric's eyes I'm happy with that decision now I just pray that he gives the youth a chance next season & understands the importance of keeping Gradel, King etc!

[l444ry]

Having seen what Sky Sports showed of Holloway's interview in a LCFC car park I am less than convinced this is a long term deal. It's business as usual until Mandaric thinks of soemthing different.

Agree completely, Smudge. I've mentioned this a couple of times myself. Far too soon to jump to any conclusions. Ian Holloway's comments didn't even sound like he'd had the dreaded vote of confidence, more like a person who still doesn't know what's going on. We're dealing with Milan Mandaric here......leopards don't change their spots overnight.

[Raj]

Wasnt too enthusiastic about Ollie staying however now that MM has given him his backing(for now!) i feel we should "Get behind him!"(sorry to use that expression!!!0

i know people WILL still call for his head, and i can understand that one 100%,but surely it beats MM making ANOTHER bad appointment doesnt it?

I mean his record in succesful mamangerial appointments is hardly brilliant is it.

Atleast ollie has the chance to put right what he (partly)fcuked up.

Atleast he admitted the failings in our team(lack of team spirit etc!)...time for him to sort it out???

[teblin]

Wasnt too enthusiastic about Ollie staying however now that MM has given him his backing(for now!) i feel we should "Get behind him!"(sorry to use that expression!!!0

i know people WILL still call for his head, and i can understand that one 100%,but surely it beats MM making ANOTHER bad appointment doesnt it?

I mean his record in succesful mamangerial appointments is hardly brilliant is it.

Atleast ollie has the chance to put right what he (partly)fcuked up.

Atleast he admitted the failings in our team(lack of team spirit etc!)...time for him to sort it out???

Yeah i think you are right, back him and hope he gets us out of the mess he got us in.

[dandannieldanok]

Anyone who says they were'nt at least partially excited about Oakley and Howard is a liar. The 2 fulcrums of Derbys promotion winning team.

Liars.

I'll admit to being very excited at both of their signings, which just exposes Holloway's flaws even more as a terrbile motivator and coach. Of course the players deserve most of the blame but where was the motivation, it obviously wasn't coming from the dressing room.

[Raj]

I'll admit to being very excited at both of their signings, which just exposes Holloway's flaws even more as a terrbile motivator and coach. Of course the players deserve most of the blame but where was the motivation, it obviously wasn't coming from the dressing room.

Why do professional experienced players like Howard and Oakley need motivating?/

i dont understand it really?

Fair enough the younger inexperienced players may need a word or two and abit of encouragement but surely motivation is from within???

Obviously a top class manager DOES motivate and inspire but players should shoulder the blame abit for this too?

"oh sorry Boss,i played crap cos i just wasnt motivated enough"

Sorry,i dont like that shite!!!

[Father Ted]

I'll admit to being very excited at both of their signings, which just exposes Holloway's flaws even more as a terrbile motivator and coach. Of course the players deserve most of the blame but where was the motivation, it obviously wasn't coming from the dressing room.

Exactly. I've also noticed that we have very confident first-halfs but then come out after half-time and play sh*te!

[reynard]

Well this seems to be the worst situation possible.

We now have a manager effectively in limbo until this meeting of directors who will then discuss exactly what will happen.

So first up when is that meeting?

Secondly we now have players in limbo who at the moment don't know exactly who the manager will be. This will effect their decisions on whethr to stay or leave.

This is a right royal mess that well sums up our club.

We have a Manager who doesn't know whether he is coming or going, we have players who don't know who the manager will be, we have fans considering renewing season tickets not knowig who will manage the club next season. The rebuilding needs to start now but this non decision merely delays things. Let's hope this director meeting is this week and that by the end of the month we know where we are in terms of manager/backroom staff.

[MC Prussian]

Well this seems to be the worst situation possible.

We now have a manager effectively in limbo until this meeting of directors who will then discuss exactly what will happen.

So first up when is that meeting?

Secondly we now have players in limbo who at the moment don't know exactly who the manager will be. This will effect their decisions on whethr to stay or leave.

This is a right royal mess that well sums up our club.

We have a Manager who doesn't know whether he is coming or going, we have players who don't know who the manager will be, we have fans considering renewing season tickets not knowig who will manage the club next season. The rebuilding needs to start now but this non decision merely delays things. Let's hope this director meeting is this week and that by the end of the month we know where we are in terms of manager/backroom staff.

And that's why we've been England's Laugh for the past few years and that's one (if not THE) reason why we've failed so miserably this season.

Communication & Decisions. It's all about it. On & off the pitch.

[breadandcheese]

And that's why we've been England's Laugh for the past few years and that's one (if not THE) reason why we've failed so miserably this season.

Communication & Decisions. It's all about it. On & off the pitch.

Amen

[The People's Hero]

I think we need to add some raisins and a pinch of salt.

[Guest ttfn]

This business about waiting until a meeting with directors is absolute bollocks. Our directors will be sycophants - any that remain from the old board will be there for the free cake and the new ones are all Milan's 'yes' men.

This is a very clever way of Milan buying himself more time and being able to pass the buck should the decision not be the correct one in the long run.

[The People's Hero]

Oooh... some vanilla essence.

Let's add a few drops.