Absolute *** of our time Pt.MXXVI

[leicsmac]

26 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

I worry about the future, I can't get my head around how people support the environment wefind ourselves living in, and can't see the dangers we're heading for.

We warned that if you put cultures far removed than ours within our culture, it will be detrimental to British citizens, and yet we continue, and if you complain, far right, get you locked up. It's madness, but i'm influenced by the Mail.

I know that the context is entirely different but that choice of words given interactions on the sci threads in the past did make me snort a bit.

 

On the general topic of discussion here, people can can talk about "legitimate concerns" all they like (and some of them are legitimate, don't get me wrong), but that isn't the endgame to those with the actual power to set policy. 

 

Ethnostates enforced by violence is. Done in the name of those "legitimate concerns".

 

And if folks think that's unfair because they're damned either way, they'd be absolutely right. But that is how it is. 

[Parafox]

2 hours ago, Tommy G said:

How is this guy? 
 

recent article says he’s still in hospital 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78vnr7vykko.amp

 

Thanks for asking.

 

He's in QMC head injury ICU, no longer in an induced coma but not fully conscious and still very poorly with his breathing being supported by an on demand ventilator. He can blink his eyes and move toes on one side but that's about it at this point.

 

His future looks bleak TBH. Young guy with a job and a girlfriend, a close family unit who we've known for 20 years. 

Edited 9 December 2025 by Parafox

[Tommy G]

1 minute ago, Parafox said:

 

Thanks for asking.

 

He's in QMC head injury ICU, no longer in an induced coma but not fully conscious and still very poorly with his breathing being supported by an on demand ventilator. He can blink his eyes and move toes on one side but that's about it.

 

His future looks bleak TBH. 

Hope they get put inside for a long time for attempted murder. Will be following this case closely - pass on best wishes from everyone at Foxestalk - parents, family and friends must be in bits. 

[Parafox]

1 minute ago, Tommy G said:

Hope they get put inside for a long time for attempted murder. Will be following this case closely - pass on best wishes from everyone at Foxestalk - parents, family and friends must be in bits. 

 

They are, and thank you, I will. 

 

PS, the likely charge, if any, will be GBH (either with intent, which carries a jail sentence, or by provocation, ((meaning there might have been an altercation before the attack)) which is the lesser of the 2 possible GBH offences and could be at minimum, a suspended sentence with conditions attached).

 

It's going to take a long time, in all respects.

 

 

[CornwallFox]

2 hours ago, splinterdream said:

Not just Afghanistan though is it, Pakistan, regions of the middle east, Africa, many places in the World that don't share western values, if you've ever travelled you know how cultures are different 

What are these Western values that you say they don't represent?

[CornwallFox]

2 hours ago, splinterdream said:

Omg, i'm angry by warrant that people who shouldn't be here are raping children, and barristers seek to keep it from public knowledge, and that these men have been declared children, and that its been going  on for years and yet here we are locking people up for social media posts, I dont need the daily mail to tell me anything 

You sound like a head case. 

What has the origin of the men got to do with the appalling crime committed?

It's an awful, heinous, disgraceful crime. 

But the men's origin is not relevant to that. 

 

[CornwallFox]

24 minutes ago, Parafox said:

 

Thanks for asking.

 

He's in QMC head injury ICU, no longer in an induced coma but not fully conscious and still very poorly with his breathing being supported by an on demand ventilator. He can blink his eyes and move toes on one side but that's about it at this point.

 

His future looks bleak TBH. Young guy with a job and a girlfriend, a close family unit who we've known for 20 years. 

I'm sorry, it's awful.

[bovril]

12 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

You sound like a head case. 

What has the origin of the men got to do with the appalling crime committed?

It's an awful, heinous, disgraceful crime. 

But the men's origin is not relevant to that. 

 

Background is always relevant to crime. There are usually aspects of a person's upbringing that point to why a crime has been committed. As I wrote above, these guys are from a country and culture where sexual abuse including against minors is, by all accounts, quite normalized compared to here. They've also grown up in a very violent and unstable environment. 

 

If someone from an English council estate who'd experienced sexual abuse as a child then committed a similar crime as an adult, obviously their background would be relevant.

[splinterdream]

5 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

You sound like a head case. 

What has the origin of the men got to do with the appalling crime committed?

It's an awful, heinous, disgraceful crime. 

But the men's origin is not relevant to that. 

 

8 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

What are these Western values that you say they don't represen

I often think the same of you and your defence of the Labour party so thats fine. 

 

Whilst we have British criminals who commit awful sex crimes in this Country, the proportion amongst foreign nationals who carry out those acts is far higher, why, because culturally they're different.

Bacha Bazi, child marraige, honour killings, stoning women, beating women, sex segregation, are a few examples of normalised practise from some Countries these immigrants originate from, places where women are covered from head to toe and the govt place them amongst school girls or weekend twenty year olds who think its fashionable to hitch their skirts up, which is their right.

A defense of one child rapist in a previous case was he knew no better. 

It is willful ignorance that have resulted in the problems with the grooming scandal when brave people like Raja Miah and Maggie Oliver were screaming of a cultural problem 

[Guest Umbungo78]

1 hour ago, CornwallFox said:

You sound like a head case. 

What has the origin of the men got to do with the appalling crime committed?

It's an awful, heinous, disgraceful crime. 

But the men's origin is not relevant to that. 

 

The fact they shouldn't have even been in the country in the first place makes it  completely relevant, if you enter a country illegally you should be detained and deported. Not allowed out to commit these sort of crimes. Its like letting a fox live in the hen house. 

 

This poor girls experience is entirely down to successive government failures. Trying to downplay the origin of the perpetrators as not relevant is exactly the complicit attitude that's allowed it to happen up and down the country. We've got enough wrong uns here already, we don't need to invite more. 

[Tommy G]

17 minutes ago, Umbungo78 said:

The fact they shouldn't have even been in the country in the first place makes it  completely relevant, if you enter a country illegally you should be detained and deported. Not allowed out to commit these sort of crimes. Its like letting a fox live in the hen house. 

 

This poor girls experience is entirely down to successive government failures. Trying to downplay the origin of the perpetrators as not relevant is exactly the complicit attitude that's allowed it to happen up and down the country. We've got enough wrong uns here already, we don't need to invite more. 

Good post. Not only has the girl and her family got to deal with this for the rest of their lives - it’s going to cost about £1m to keep them inside for 10 years. We’re all paying for this. 
 

I don’t think people would be so blasé about these kind of things if it was their own daughter or younger sister. 

[CornwallFox]

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

I often think the same of you and your defence of the Labour party so thats fine. 

 

Whilst we have British criminals who commit awful sex crimes in this Country, the proportion amongst foreign nationals who carry out those acts is far higher, why, because culturally they're different.

Bacha Bazi, child marraige, honour killings, stoning women, beating women, sex segregation, are a few examples of normalised practise from some Countries these immigrants originate from, places where women are covered from head to toe and the govt place them amongst school girls or weekend twenty year olds who think its fashionable to hitch their skirts up, which is their right.

A defense of one child rapist in a previous case was he knew no better. 

It is willful ignorance that have resulted in the problems with the grooming scandal when brave people like Raja Miah and Maggie Oliver were screaming of a cultural problem 

It was only in 1929 that the British made 16 the age for marriage in Britain - and 14 for girls in British India. Previously in Britain the age for girls was 12.

From 1275 until the late 19th century that was also the age of consent.

In London in 1895 a bylaw finally forbid beating women - but only between the hours of 10om and 7am so as not to wake the neighbours. 

My point isn't that immigrants are perfect. It's that Britain itself is imperfect. Pretending we've got universal beliefs we've always had that make us better after simply untrue. 

 

40 minutes ago, Umbungo78 said:

The fact they shouldn't have even been in the country in the first place makes it  completely relevant, if you enter a country illegally you should be detained and deported. Not allowed out to commit these sort of crimes. Its like letting a fox live in the hen house. 

 

This poor girls experience is entirely down to successive government failures. Trying to downplay the origin of the perpetrators as not relevant is exactly the complicit attitude that's allowed it to happen up and down the country. We've got enough wrong uns here already, we don't need to invite more. 

Which makes it all the more maddening that people on the right kept voting in the Tories who stopped processing claims and intentionally created a huge backlog of people. They did that thinking it would help them electorally because they don't give a stuff about actually doing anything with power.

 

I'd rather we just talked about scumbag young men and the penalties they should pay. We need to sort the other issues but those making the most noise about them also did nothing to stop the problem building.

Edited 9 December 2025 by CornwallFox

[Sly]

I think to semi draw a line under this, having travelled extensively it’s quite clear that different countries have completely different cultures. 

That’s different cultures toward other humans, not just women and children.

 

I say stereotypically British isn’t even the same as the “West” Is perceived. 
 

It’s almost everyone should be asked if they’re prepared to wait in a queue, to order a pot of tea, then when questioned why they’ve arrived answer with the place the came from “not being too bad”, to prove they have a stiff upper lip. They must love a pub and a Sunday roast, full English breakfast, fish and chips and be obsessed with the Royal Family. 
 

Jokes aside though, my personal opinion is that they should at least adapt to the culture they have entered. 

[CornwallFox]

21 minutes ago, Sly said:

I think to semi draw a line under this, having travelled extensively it’s quite clear that different countries have completely different cultures. 

That’s different cultures toward other humans, not just women and children.

 

I say stereotypically British isn’t even the same as the “West” Is perceived. 
 

It’s almost everyone should be asked if they’re prepared to wait in a queue, to order a pot of tea, then when questioned why they’ve arrived answer with the place the came from “not being too bad”, to prove they have a stiff upper lip. They must love a pub and a Sunday roast, full English breakfast, fish and chips and be obsessed with the Royal Family. 
 

Jokes aside though, my personal opinion is that they should at least adapt to the culture they have entered. 

I'm not sure anybody disagrees with that. What that means is perhaps more open to interpretation. 

But I'll bow out of the rest of this conversation as I don't want to give the impression that I think the scumbags that did it are anything other than scumbags.

[StanSP]

10 hours ago, Umbungo78 said:

if you enter a country illegally you should be detained and deported.

No such thing as entering illegally though, is there? 

[Sly]

9 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

I'm not sure anybody disagrees with that. What that means is perhaps more open to interpretation. 

But I'll bow out of the rest of this conversation as I don't want to give the impression that I think the scumbags that did it are anything other than scumbags.

Scumbags that do scumbag things is a much, much better way of looking at this. 

[kenny]

12 minutes ago, StanSP said:

No such thing as entering illegally though, is there? 

There lots of ways entering the UK is illegal.

 

We wouldn't bother with passport control if it weren't.

[Trav Le Bleu]

12 hours ago, Umbungo78 said:

if you enter a country illegally you should be detained and deported

There's a very obvious inherent problem with this. If you are a genuine asylum seeker (and it may come as a shock to some, but they do exist) then you have to enter another country illegally, since your own country won't exactly wave you through customs.

[Guest Umbungo78]

3 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

There's a very obvious inherent problem with this. If you are a genuine asylum seeker (and it may come as a shock to some, but they do exist) then you have to enter another country illegally, since your own country won't exactly wave you through customs.

If they were genuine they would claim asylum in the first safe country they came to. Not travel through dozens of safe countries to get here 

[Trav Le Bleu]

11 minutes ago, Umbungo78 said:

If they were genuine they would claim asylum in the first safe country they came to. Not travel through dozens of safe countries to get here 

[Raj]

Ant Middleton is right......

[Samilktray]

26 minutes ago, Raj said:

Ant Middleton is right......

Ant Middleton is probably someone who could be posted in this thread tbf 

[bovril]

Who is ant middleton? 

[Raj]

4 minutes ago, bovril said:

Who is ant middleton? 

Kates brother.

[bovril]

3 minutes ago, Raj said:

Kates brother.

Kate who?