Absolute *** of our time Pt.MXXVI

[Trav Le Bleu]

5 minutes ago, bovril said:

Kate who?

Spare's sis-in-law.

[Raj]

7 minutes ago, bovril said:

Kate who?

Ant's sister.....

[bovril]

Quentin Tarantino, consistently and in so many ways

[Free Falling Foxes]

There are some evil people in this world.

[Tommy G]

Hope that Paul Doyle gets locked up for a long time, the impact hes had on over 100 people lives - what an absolute scumbag

[Tommy G]

21 years 6 months

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

21 years 6 months

Think that's about right tbh. 

[Bellend Sebastian]

1 hour ago, Tommy G said:

Hope that Paul Doyle gets locked up for a long time, the impact hes had on over 100 people lives - what an absolute scumbag

Interesting one this - loads of stuff has come out today that I'd not heard coverage of before (others may have followed it more closely).

 

The initial press angle was that this guy is ex forces and is just so normal and respectable that it's all just inexplicable.

 

Turns out that he was booted out of the army and also did some time, before turning his life around and being no bother for 3 decades until he loses it completely on that fateful day.

 

Like I say I've not been following it that closely

 

Unusual, to say the least.

 

Just seen the sentence - well, if you do things like that....

 

 

[StanSP]

51 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Think that's about right tbh. 

Seems like it should be longer. 

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

Seems like it should be longer. 

Possibly so, but I'm not sure how much of a precedent there is in the UK for such a sentence for any crimes where (thankfully) no lives were taken. 

[Tommy G]

1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

Possibly so, but I'm not sure how much of a precedent there is in the UK for such a sentence for any crimes where (thankfully) no lives were taken. 

He's probably given the maximum he could

[urban.spaceman]

1 hour ago, Tommy G said:

21 years 6 months

 

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

Think that's about right tbh. 

 

42 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Seems like it should be longer. 

 

38 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

He's probably given the maximum he could

Was honestly surprised when I saw 21 years, was expecting it to be less than half than that. 

[Tommy G]

6 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

 

 

Was honestly surprised when I saw 21 years, was expecting it to be less than half than that. 

Deserved less than half or pleased he got double what you initially thought?

[urban.spaceman]

17 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Deserved less than half or pleased he got double what you initially thought?

The latter. 

[LCFCJohn]

I’m quite surprised he got that long given, as above, no lives were (fortunately) lost. But I suppose the volume of people injured and affected by it also stacks up. 
 

It seems like a case of an appropriate sentence in our otherwise, often overly soft, justice system. I would be interested to know what went on. Given he is ex armed forces, was it anger from trauma? Or just an angry vile individual? If the former, you’d imagine he is quite remorseful and regrets the day. 
 

I think it also shines a light on some of the pathetically short sentences given for driving related incidents that do result in death, during which cars are used as weapons. You see sentences of 3/4 years and it’s incredible. 

[The Year Of The Fox]

I’ve got mixed feelings about it all.

 

Obviously what happened was frightening and horrendous. (Shouldn’t need to be said, but on here sometimes the obvious needs to get stated)

 

But I always think lots of convictions, or at least the judges summarisations are to be taken with a pinch of salt. The prosecution suggested he got angry and drove in a fit of rage. As soon as he pleads guilty or someone is found guilty, that suggestion somehow becomes fact?

 

How does the prosecution or the judge know for exact certainty it was only rage. Not panic, or a trigger from his combat days? How does a defendant prove it was partly down to panic? How would anyone prove it was partly down to panic? Just because he started swearing as he was driving at them proves nothing really. 
 

I was shocked at the 21 year sentence anyhow. Whether that’s because most sentences are too soft and this is the new norm or whether I think he should have got less, I honestly don’t know. 

[Raj]

Thought it was well over the top when I heard it was 21 years.

BUT having watched the videos of him driving into the city first, going through red lights and almost hitting people, then the horrible videos of him literally driving into people, reversing back to hit people, the cvnt deserves every day he got.

Dont care about his mental health or if he was triggered  if this was a black muslim from ISIS and he got less people would be all over the socials.

 

Well done to the Judge, he should hand out more sentences like this 👏👏

[StanSP]

1 hour ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

How does the prosecution or the judge know for exact certainty it was only rage. Not panic, or a trigger from his combat days? How does a defendant prove it was partly down to panic? How would anyone prove it was partly down to panic? Just because he started swearing as he was driving at them proves nothing really

'beyond reasonable doubt' is the metric used still surely? So perhaps not absolute certainty, but if there's enough evidence to suggest it might be true, and there's perhaps nothing stating otherwise, then does it need to be questioned by the public? 

 

For instance, do we know what he admitted to in his police interview, if anything? I imagine his social media posts, text messages and the like were all examined. 

 

It's about motive at the end of the day. So you're right, swearing doesn't prove anything substantial. 

 

But when you look at the fact it was sustained behaviour, his reversal back and forth into people, striking paramedics with his vehicle, you have to then believe or strongly suspect it was fuelled by a certain level of rage? 

[FoxesDeb]

50 minutes ago, Raj said:

Thought it was well over the top when I heard it was 21 years.

BUT having watched the videos of him driving into the city first, going through red lights and almost hitting people, then the horrible videos of him literally driving into people, reversing back to hit people, the cvnt deserves every day he got.

Dont care about his mental health or if he was triggered  if this was a black muslim from ISIS and he got less people would be all over the socials.

 

Well done to the Judge, he should hand out more sentences like this 👏👏

I cant agree with you when you day you don't care about his mental health.

 

I don't know if that played any part in this incident, but mental health is definitely a big concern and something we should definitely all care about imo.

 

Also the judge was a woman btw 

[Paninistickers]

1 hour ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

was shocked at the 21 year sentence

Does seem extraordinarily harsh. It's a sentence more to do with media and politics and public opinion than justice. 

 

That said, his defence counsel don't seem to have done him any favours. Surely there's a shout for guilty due to diminished responsibility? There appeared to be no mental health mentioned in mitigation. Nor any mention of it for ore sentencing reports. 

 

Clinical or not, to take that course of action,. you've got to be at best unstable and at the other extreme,  doolally.

 

 

[Parafox]

On 09/12/2025 at 16:31, Tommy G said:

How is this guy? 
 

recent article says he’s still in hospital 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78vnr7vykko.amp

 

On 09/12/2025 at 19:00, Parafox said:

 

Thanks for asking.

 

He's in QMC head injury ICU, no longer in an induced coma but not fully conscious and still very poorly with his breathing being supported by an on demand ventilator. He can blink his eyes and move toes on one side but that's about it at this point.

 

His future looks bleak TBH. Young guy with a job and a girlfriend, a close family unit who we've known for 20 years. 

 

3 weeks later, Liam is still in QMC head injury ICU.  He was taken back to theatre a few days ago as he had a further bleed on his brain and is still on an on demand ventilator and now has a tracheotomy in place.

 

His responses are minimal and haven't really improved in any noticeable way.

 

The phrase "giving someone a good kicking" makes me feel sick when you see the consequences.

Edited 16 December 2025 by Parafox

[The Year Of The Fox]

16 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Does seem extraordinarily harsh. It's a sentence more to do with media and politics and public opinion than justice. 

 

That said, his defence counsel don't seem to have done him any favours. Surely there's a shout for guilty due to diminished responsibility? There appeared to be no mental health mentioned in mitigation. Nor any mention of it for ore sentencing reports. 

 

Clinical or not, to take that course of action,. you've got to be at best unstable and at the other extreme,  doolally.

 

 

This is it. I mean, I see red, we all do don’t we? I scare myself with my temper at times 😂

But at no point would I drive through people in a rage, and then reverse, and then go forward again and for a sustained amount of time? 
 

Rage tends to be a very short occurance doesn’t it? 

29 minutes ago, StanSP said:

'beyond reasonable doubt' is the metric used still surely? So perhaps not absolute certainty, but if there's enough evidence to suggest it might be true, and there's perhaps nothing stating otherwise, then does it need to be questioned by the public? 

 

For instance, do we know what he admitted to in his police interview, if anything? I imagine his social media posts, text messages and the like were all examined. 

 

It's about motive at the end of the day. So you're right, swearing doesn't prove anything substantial. 

 

But when you look at the fact it was sustained behaviour, his reversal back and forth into people, striking paramedics with his vehicle, you have to then believe or strongly suspect it was fuelled by a certain level of rage? 

You see panicked people do all sorts of knee jerk, stupid reactionary and completely irrational things though, all the time. The more irrational these things are, the less in control of their mind I think people are

[Raj]

47 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

I cant agree with you when you day you don't care about his mental health.

 

I don't know if that played any part in this incident, but mental health is definitely a big concern and something we should definitely all care about imo.

 

Also the judge was a woman btw 

I didn't mean mental health in general Debs I worded it badly.

I meant mental health as in making you drive your car into hundreds of people rather than admit you've fecked up following an ambulance and just stop.

 

I havent read anywhere saying he had any mental health episodes or issue.

 

Well done to the lady Judgess👏👏👏

 

 

I'd

[Raj]

23 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

This is it. I mean, I see red, we all do don’t we? I scare myself with my temper at times 😂

But at no point would I drive through people in a rage, and then reverse, and then go forward again and for a sustained amount of time? 

Exactly this, we all, especially as City fans when Daka misses an open goal as usual, will go off on one...doesnt mean we will run around the concourse kicking  everyone we see.

[The Year Of The Fox]

10 minutes ago, Raj said:

Exactly this, we all, especially as City fans when Daka misses an open goal as usual, will go off on one...doesnt mean we will run around the concourse kicking  everyone we see.

Which to me, makes it far more complex than the judge deciding it was ‘rage’

 

I don’t know the ins and outs but like @Paninistickers says, his counsel have missed a trick by not playing  some sort of mental health card- real or imagined. 

Edited 16 December 2025 by The Year Of The Fox