Ipswich Town Post Match Thread

[Guest MarshallForEngland]

I actually thought McGivern played well today. Most of the negative appraisals in this thread look like they were written before today's game.

I can't believe some people actually booed Brown. What is that going to do for his self esteem? It should be fairly obvious that he doesn't feel comfortable when he gets the ball. All he wants to do when he gets it is get rid of it, which is why it ends up in the stands or in the opposition goalkeeper's hands. Getting on his back will only make him dread receiving the ball even more and make it worse.

Neilson definitely improved since his last game, probably because some of the lynch mob who did nothing but slate him every game have moved on to Brown and McGivern.

[C.J]

Why did the Ipswich fans have a flag saying 'one year down'?

Thats for the Ipswich fan wherever he/she is, if they ever come back on this forum.

[gerrytaggart]

Fryatt is shit

you're shit ahhhhhhhhhhh

[Matt]

(OP - Matt) Scored a OG? (Fair enough it happens, Franky Sinclair scored many but he played many games for us)

(DavieG) Was it not a deflection?

(Matt) Gone down as a OG (Apparently not checked myself, not even seen the goal just going off Radio/TV).

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(OP - Matt) Always backing off the attacker? and/or Never making the tackles or defending?

(DavieG) This is the modern way, tackles are a risk and a sign of panic/desperation.

(Matt) How come i'm not pointing this out about Hobbs, Morrison, Brown, Neilson (To some extent), any other defenders of ours or the oppositions defenders?

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(OP - Matt) Misplaced passes? (Today alot of our player made that mistake to be fair but it's common from McGivern)

(DavieG) True as with most of the team including those who are supposed to be skilled at it (Wellens/Oakley) and it seems he's instructed to play the ball down the line where there's always the risk it will go out of play.

(Matt) As I said i'm not picking him up too much on this because today especially most of out players made this mistake.

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(OP - Matt) He doesn't look comfortable on the ball?

(DavieG) When he's not under pressure he's ok remember these are his first ever games at this level he's obviously got a lot to learn and a lot of confidence to gain.

(Matt) I noticed when he was up field once today where he was given the ball can't remember by who, he passed it back to them despite whoever giving it to him being marked by 2 of the opposition, McGivern still passed it back to him again, and it all fooked up, and led to an Ipswich attack - to be fair to McGivern he did get back to his defensive position again but he was backing of and backing off again.

I'm not so sure apart from once or twice (literally) I can't really recall to many times when i've noticed him comfortable on the ball, we'll put it down to alot to learn and confidence to gain though.

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(OP - Matt) He doesn't want the ball?

(DavieG) From whom? The only person who should be passing it to him is Weale.

(Matt) Again I suppose this could be something against the other players in general but yes Weale should be the only one passing to him, but we do play back alot and from high up the pitch, in an attacking position we end up passing back through the midfield, through the defence, and then to Weale.

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(OP - Matt) Always looking to get rid of the ball, even if it means kicking it out for a throw in, corner, or to anyone - including the opposition?

(DavieG) Ditto most fullbacks in this league.

(Matt) True, but doesn't make it a valid excuse.

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(OP - Matt) Berner's injured? I'd rather play someone out off position than play McGivern.

(DavieG) Name them.

(Matt) ANYONE, Hence "I'd rather play someone out of position the play McGivern".

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(OP - Matt) Neilson, I'll let off he's growing on me slightly, he's improved slightly, but in all honesty I wouldn't be sorry if he went (He's not going, but i'm saying if). Those 2 players are the main subject of my disappointment - Not today, but just in general, please replace McGivern, atleast.

(DavieG) Neilson should be considerable better at most aspects of the game than McGivern considering his vastly greater experience and age.

(Matt) I'm not comparing Neilson to McGivern just saying I wasn't keen on Neilson when he first come, If i'm being honest i'm still not that keen on Neilson, but he's improved slightly, hopefully McGivern has the same effect but wouldn't be said to see either go and be replaced - It doesn't look like it's going to happen though.

[Fosse Boy]

Why did the Ipswich fans have a flag saying 'one year down'?

Thats for the Ipswich fan wherever he/she is, if they ever come back on this forum.

Was contemplating this myself. Thought it might be aimed at Norwich?

[sbfox]

Right, from now on, I'm not reading a single post-match thread again. This is fooking pathetic...

We got a point, against a very much in form Ipswich (a team many tipped for promotion) and dominated, without creating too much, the second half completely. We're not going to win every match 3-0 and sometimes we will have scrappy draws.

I do think Neilson looked weak and Brown wasn't much better, but it wasn't the shite performance some people are making it out to be. Typical mid-winter clash IMO.

Next game; Morrison out to RB, Hobbs and Brown in the middle, Berner or McGivern. Bring in Kermo for Howard and maybe, just maybe, bring Dany in for Oakley... Just to see how we play with a proper winger. Next 3 games will define our season though... Excited!

[Koke]

There were people around me making fun of Jaime Peters likening him to Oompa-Loompa from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

[lou]

There were people around me making fun of Jaime Peters likening him to Oompa-Loompa from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

aahhh bless him

the lino was like Mini-Me too

[Granno]

Do i dare look in here?

[Guest Mee-9]

Do i dare look in here?

Wish i hadn't.

[The Doctor]

The amount of people critizing neilson on here is a joke.

Yes his distribution is poor, BUT, he's a defender and the whole point of defenders is breaking down the opposition attack which he has done well all season not to play perfect balls every time from 40 yards into peoples feet.

Besides the majority of those balls were towards a city player but the ipswich defence reacting quicker as opposed to the mindless hoof people seem to be seeing.

Secondly niether he or mcgivern were really at fault for the goal.

When that ball was launched towards peters neilson was next to peters but Peters was far quicker than neilson, not something he could have dealt with becuase if he had stood off in the channel Peters could have just turned and ran at goal. When the cross comes in it goes to where morrison should be but he was AWOL leaving brown and McGivern to try and sweep up and really it was just an unfortunate deflection off McGivern.

Seriously just lay off, if you want to see perfect passing football from right backs go watch arsenal, chelsea, barcelona or some one like that.

Edit: and why are people wanting gilbert back? He was appaulling to anonymous in a lower league FFS. All he has is pace but thats not really any use when the players knowledge of how to defend is roughly on a par with that of george bush's overall knowledge.

[Bryn]

Neilson wasn't just bad in terms of his attacking ability, he was also poorly positioned on numerous occasions including for their goal, he was slow to react to almost everything and needs far too much time on the ball even when all he's looking to do is punt the ball into touch.

[Guest Mee-9]

The amount of people critizing neilson on here is a joke.

Yes his distribution is poor, BUT, he's a defender and the whole point of defenders is breaking down the opposition attack which he has done well all season not to play perfect balls every time from 40 yards into peoples feet.

Besides the majority of those balls were towards a city player but the ipswich defence reacting quicker as opposed to the mindless hoof people seem to be seeing.

Secondly niether he or mcgivern were really at fault for the goal.

When that ball was launched towards peters neilson was next to peters but Peters was far quicker than neilson, not something he could have dealt with becuase if he had stood off in the channel Peters could have just turned and ran at goal. When the cross comes in it goes to where morrison should be but he was AWOL leaving brown and McGivern to try and sweep up and really it was just an unfortunate deflection off McGivern.

Seriously just lay off, if you want to see perfect passing football from right backs go watch arsenal, chelsea, barcelona or some one like that.

Edit: and why are people wanting gilbert back? He was appaulling to anonymous in a lower league FFS. All he has is pace but thats not really any use when the players knowledge of how to defend is roughly on a par with that of george bush's overall knowledge.

Else what bro, u gna shank me brap? jks

He is bad tho. Morrison is alot better than him

[SirBlueFoxington]

To be frank, everytime the ball goes near Neilson I shit myself thinkng he's gonna mess up. At the start of the season when everyone was giving him stick, I told myself I would give him a chance, but he's just been crap.

[Asha]

I see both sides on an argument really.

Anytime we don't win, a whole host of people come on here ripping into the squad. If this is based on that day's performance, fair enough. But then you get certain people throwing the whole 'we're 5th in the league' thing at the them....which true as it is, they're still allowed to be pissed off at an individual performance.

On the other hand, certain people who are saying 'Oakley should retire' 'Neilson should fook off back to Scotland' etc...that's not basing it on this performance. Over the course of the season we're doing very, very well....and even though players have the odd bad performance which can be frustrating...comments like that are a touch ridiculous.

There was a lot of misplaced passes today, disappointing set pieces, weak defending etc etc. But we still got a point against an in-form side? There was a time where if we played like that we'd get raped all game long, regularly. We didn't play well, yet we've avoided defeat, gained a point on the sides below us and we've still got a game in hand over most.

Roll on Swansea.

[Karljohn]

The amount of people critizing neilson on here is a joke.

Yes his distribution is poor, BUT, he's a defender and the whole point of defenders is breaking down the opposition attack which he has done well all season not to play perfect balls every time from 40 yards into peoples feet.

Besides the majority of those balls were towards a city player but the ipswich defence reacting quicker as opposed to the mindless hoof people seem to be seeing.

And the whole idea is once you have broken down that attack, is to not put yourself and your fellow defenders back under pressure with piss poor distribution ultimately leading to another opposition attack. There were simple options available to Neilson today on the few occasions he had total control of the ball, he chose to launch the ball instead of pick a 10-15 yard pass.

[Legend_in_blue]

I've been a big fan of Neilson since he came in and have defended his performances in the wake of some quite outrageous and insulting remarks by people on here.

However, I'm struggling to come up with anything to defend him with today to be honest. I'm really struggling...

[GLC]

highlight was seeing Stevie Howard body slam Norris! then he looked at the ref and went 'what'

[Edmund]

highlight was seeing Stevie Howard body slam Norris! then he looked at the ref and went 'what'

To be fair that was ridiculous. You can't do shit like that on the pitch. He was lucky to get away with it but could of picked up an unnecessary booking.

[GLC]

To be fair that was ridiculous. You can't do shit like that on the pitch. He was lucky to get away with it but could of picked up an unnecessary booking.

Still funny though

[Mikey]

Dyer was the only one who shone for me today, and at times even his decision making was pretty poor. But hey, you can't win 'em all. That's football. In fact, that's life. So just take a minute, calm down and think before you post people! We're half way through the season and the glass is very much half full. We've every reason to still be optimistic.

Oh, and whoever it was joining in with Dale Cavese in the second half, I you.

Was getting a few funny looks though.

Game was fairly average I thought, and a point was a fair result, although I thought we possibly shaded it.

[Lillehamring]

Scored a OG? (Fair enough it happens, Franky Sinclair scored many but he played many games for us)

Always backing off the attacker?

Never making the tackles or defending?

Misplaced passes? (Today alot of our player made that mistake to be fair but it's common from McGivern)

He doesn't look comfortable on the ball?

He doesn't want the ball?

Always looking to get rid of the ball, even if it means kicking it out for a throw in, corner, or to anyone - including the opposition?

Berner's injured? I'd rather play someone out off position than play McGivern.

Neilson, I'll let off he's growing on me slightly, he's improved slightly, but in all honesty I wouldn't be sorry if he went (He's not going, but i'm saying if). Those 2 players are the main subject of my disappointment - Not today, but just in general, please replace McGivern, atleast.

i have highlighted the four points that i believe you are most way off on - mcgivern ran his socks off, and played football the length of the field, his close control may not be the best but i thought the way he linked up with dyer and then waghorn and the midfield in general, was really encouraging, and to me he seemed to always be involved, perhaps his performance stood out for me cause he is easy to spot, but to say he didn't want the ball or was poor in possession doesn't reflect the amount of effort and commitment he put in today.

i haven't been a fan of his, and i get the feeling that most people felt the same before the game and, but it seems like many of those people have seen the OG and have immediately decided that, from then on, whatever he did wouldn't be any good.

as has been posted on here elsewhere, with the benefit of watching on tv, he knew nothing about the ball deflecting onto his leg, even weale who should've been close enough to get it is clearly wrong footed.

it's getting really boring on here, with people making judgements on players and sticking to it regardless - i remember berner got so much shit on here when he first came, and it took the best part of a season for the majority to come around...

to single out neilsen and mcgivern in a game we didn't win because we didn't create enough challenges, shows that there is some serious knuckle dragging (not you personally matt, you have expressed mainly indifference, i know) on this board - at times it has been like an online version of the post match RL phone in

[Fosse Boy]

Was getting a few funny looks though.

Good on you.

Words can't describe how excited I got when I saw there were other people joining in.

[Mikey]

Good on you.

Words can't describe how excited I got when I saw there were other people joining in.

Pity it didn't catch on, but even Lildave joined in for a little bit!

And as for the Wallace and Grommit theme.

[CosbehFox]

The amount of people critizing neilson on here is a joke.

Yes his distribution is poor, BUT, he's a defender and the whole point of defenders is breaking down the opposition attack which he has done well all season not to play perfect balls every time from 40 yards into peoples feet.

Besides the majority of those balls were towards a city player but the ipswich defence reacting quicker as opposed to the mindless hoof people seem to be seeing.

That may have been the case 25 years ago. Their defenders were as bad, you expect defenders to have a reasonable skill of distribution in the modern day game. The goal whilst a catalogue of errors including a woeful ball by the normally but poor today Wellens straight from the kick-off, Neilson was largely at fault. It was there for taking and he had a 15 yard head start on the Ipswich lad to the ball but was beaten to it. It was aclear sign that he's sadly not good enough at this level. It's that 'pace' and reading of the game which is the difference at this level.

To be fair that was ridiculous. You can't do shit like that on the pitch. He was lucky to get away with it but could of picked up an unnecessary booking.

Norris spent 50% of his game trying to block Howard's runs. Deserved the action IMO.