Ipswich Town Post Match Thread

[Guest Basildon Fox]

highlight was seeing Stevie Howard body slam Norris! then he looked at the ref and went 'what'

I thought it was even better when McGivern chopped down an Ipswich player for a definite booking but got away with it because of the brawl after.

[Matt]

i have highlighted the four points that i believe you are most way off on - mcgivern ran his socks off, and played football the length of the field, his close control may not be the best but i thought the way he linked up with dyer and then waghorn and the midfield in general, was really encouraging, and to me he seemed to always be involved, perhaps his performance stood out for me cause he is easy to spot, but to say he didn't want the ball or was poor in possession doesn't reflect the amount of effort and commitment he put in today.

i haven't been a fan of his, and i get the feeling that most people felt the same before the game and, but it seems like many of those people have seen the OG and have immediately decided that, from then on, whatever he did wouldn't be any good.

as has been posted on here elsewhere, with the benefit of watching on tv, he knew nothing about the ball deflecting onto his leg, even weale who should've been close enough to get it is clearly wrong footed.

it's getting really boring on here, with people making judgements on players and sticking to it regardless - i remember berner got so much shit on here when he first came, and it took the best part of a season for the majority to come around...

to single out neilsen and mcgivern in a game we didn't win because we didn't create enough challenges, shows that there is some serious knuckle dragging (not you personally matt, you have expressed mainly indifference, i know) on this board - at times it has been like an online version of the post match RL phone in

I respect alot of the post, barr the odds bits here and there, and I know from what you posted it wasn't aimed solely at me to take offence for but as for "people making judgements on players and sticking to it regardless" i've said several times in this thread that at the start of the season I hated Neilson, yet as the season gone on he's improved slightly, and he is 'acceptable' now, still not his biggest fan, I would be happy if we got someone else in and replaced him but he's OK, Hopefully I can say the same about McGivern in the future, but for the moment it's not looking that way, so i'm not stubborn to admit if someone has changed, improved, or that I was wrong.

As for blaming Neilson and McGivern for us not winning the game i'm not, I'm just pinpointing them as poor, As I said in my first post in this thread, I'm not happy with todays performance or result, i'm not unhappy and won't get disheartened, Today's result was acceptable and we'll move on to Swansea next week.

(I know as you said your post was not at me personally but i'm just responding to a few statements within you're post)

[caz123]

That may have been the case 25 years ago. Their defenders were as bad, you expect defenders to have a reasonable skill of distribution in the modern day game. The goal whilst a catalogue of errors including a woeful ball by the normally but poor today Wellens straight from the kick-off, Neilson was largely at fault. It was there for taking and he had a 15 yard head start on the Ipswich lad to the ball but was beaten to it. It was aclear sign that he's sadly not good enough at this level. It's that 'pace' and reading of the game which is the difference at this level.

Norris spent 50% of his game trying to block Howard's runs. Deserved the action IMO.

I agree howard just got peed of with him,dont blame him

[Guest Mee-9]

i have highlighted the four points that i believe you are most way off on - mcgivern ran his socks off, and played football the length of the field, his close control may not be the best but i thought the way he linked up with dyer and then waghorn and the midfield in general, was really encouraging, and to me he seemed to always be involved, perhaps his performance stood out for me cause he is easy to spot, but to say he didn't want the ball or was poor in possession doesn't reflect the amount of effort and commitment he put in today.

i haven't been a fan of his, and i get the feeling that most people felt the same before the game and, but it seems like many of those people have seen the OG and have immediately decided that, from then on, whatever he did wouldn't be any good.

as has been posted on here elsewhere, with the benefit of watching on tv, he knew nothing about the ball deflecting onto his leg, even weale who should've been close enough to get it is clearly wrong footed.

it's getting really boring on here, with people making judgements on players and sticking to it regardless - i remember berner got so much shit on here when he first came, and it took the best part of a season for the majority to come around...

to single out neilsen and mcgivern in a game we didn't win because we didn't create enough challenges, shows that there is some serious knuckle dragging (not you personally matt, you have expressed mainly indifference, i know) on this board - at times it has been like an online version of the post match RL phone in

He is shit mate. Your watching it on TV we're not.

[Bryn]

He is shit mate. Your watching it on TV we're not.

IT MAKES fook ALL DIFFERENCE

[Lillehamring]

To be fair that was ridiculous. You can't do shit like that on the pitch. He was lucky to get away with it but could of picked up an unnecessary booking.

at that point, i don't think he'd won a single header, so i was actually praying the ref would give him a red

it was a stupid thing to do, and worse because he only did it cause mcauley and delaney had made him look amateurish.

people saying howard was our best player are as mad as those saying mcgivern was our worst - granted he scored and worked hard, but the fact is we looked piss poor playing the hoof ball and ALL our best chances came from playing it on the ground, including howard's goal.

[Daggers]

He is shit mate. Your watching it on TV we're not.

Which means he is seeing every single moment when player meets ball, where ball goes and has the opportunity to watch it again.

You don't get the opportunity to focus on a player and see his runs to the same level - but that isn't what was being argued.

[Tomassi]

i have highlighted the four points that i believe you are most way off on - mcgivern ran his socks off, and played football the length of the field, his close control may not be the best but i thought the way he linked up with dyer and then waghorn and the midfield in general, was really encouraging, and to me he seemed to always be involved, perhaps his performance stood out for me cause he is easy to spot, but to say he didn't want the ball or was poor in possession doesn't reflect the amount of effort and commitment he put in today.

i haven't been a fan of his, and i get the feeling that most people felt the same before the game and, but it seems like many of those people have seen the OG and have immediately decided that, from then on, whatever he did wouldn't be any good.

as has been posted on here elsewhere, with the benefit of watching on tv, he knew nothing about the ball deflecting onto his leg, even weale who should've been close enough to get it is clearly wrong footed.

it's getting really boring on here, with people making judgements on players and sticking to it regardless - i remember berner got so much shit on here when he first came, and it took the best part of a season for the majority to come around...

to single out neilsen and mcgivern in a game we didn't win because we didn't create enough challenges, shows that there is some serious knuckle dragging (not you personally matt, you have expressed mainly indifference, i know) on this board - at times it has been like an online version of the post match RL phone in

Hear Hear, someone with common sense finally!

[Tony Pine]

not really. everyone was shit, howard scored. i think that makes him the best player.

[Lillehamring]

He is shit mate. Your watching it on TV we're not.

yes, so that's how i know he couldn't have avoided the own goal and that's why my view of the spread of play was the view optimised for visual enjoyment and clarity for the spectator.

so unless you sat at a decent height up the stands, on the half way line and had access to multiple-perspective replays, i fail to see how you can understand anymore about the performances than i can.

or maybe you are just determined to prove that you are a bellend, with moronic posts like that....mate.

[Guest Mee-9]

yes, so that's how i know he couldn't have avoided the own goal and that's why my view of the spread of play was the view optimised for visual enjoyment and clarity for the spectator.

so unless you sat at a decent height up the stands, on the half way line and had access to multiple-perspective replays, i fail to see how you can understand anymore about the performances than i can.

or maybe you are just determined to prove that you are a bellend, with moronic posts like that....mate.

I'm a bellend, I dont care.

He is woeful. You don't see half of the stuff we do. Out of position etc..

[caz123]

i think that my only criticism of pearson's brave substitutions was that fraytt should have been replaced rather than dyer or wellens.

mind you i thought we looked much stronger in the midfield after they came on than before

Thats just what i thought when king and oakley went into the centre,OAKLEY SHOULDNT BE ON THE WING

It wasnt a great game but were still 5th and we move on to the next

It was bloody cold though

[dimmerchant]

I'm a bellend, I dont care.

He is woeful. You don't see half of the stuff we do. Out of position etc..

Add to that annoying, repetitive and an unrivaled ability to jump on band wagons and you're almost there.

I think one of his better attributes is his positioning. The own goal was by no means his fault alone.

On another note, I agree that the defence were poor today but the Midfield didn't help. A lack of movement from Wellens, King and Oakley into space for simple passing our midfield is aptly capable of, wasn't there today. This meant Neilson, McGivern and Brown were closed down instantly and had to hastily hoof it upfield. Morrison was only the best of the defecnce as he was quicker to hoof it and didn't get caught in possession. Wellens and Brown repeatedly blamed their mistakes on McGivern.

[Guest Mee-9]

Oh well, we got a point anyway. Aint in the mood to argue my case.

[lou]

Add to that annoying, repetitive and an unrivaled ability to jump on band wagons and you're almost there.

I think one of his better attributes is his positioning. The own goal was by no means his fault alone.

On another note, I agree that the defence were poor today but the Midfield didn't help. A lack of movement from Wellens, King and Oakley into space for simple passing our midfield is aptly capable of, wasn't there today. This meant Neilson, McGivern and Brown were closed down instantly and had to hastily hoof it upfield. Morrison was only the best of the defecnce as he was quicker to hoof it and didn't get caught in possession. Wellens and Brown repeatedly blamed their mistakes on McGivern.

I think hes improving a lot... today wasnt one of his best but I dont agree with you on this, I think its something that lets him down.

[skinnydipper]

War

Huh

Good God

What is it good for ?

Absolutely nothing

[dimmerchant]

I think hes improving a lot... today wasnt one of his best but I dont agree with you on this, I think its something that lets him down.

I quite like him and believe he's improving, but he plays as if he's hugely nervous, has a tendency to commit to challenges which gives the opponent a free flank and enough time to deliver a decent cross, and has an attitude of 'if in doubt, put it out'.

[lou]

I quite like him and believe he's improving, but he plays as if he's hugely nervous, has a tendency to commit to challenges which gives the opponent a free flank and enough time to deliver a decent cross, and has an attitude of 'if in doubt, put it out'.

Not always a bad thing but I see your point

A lot of the nervousness could be down to the fans reactions towards him, plus hes very young still. I think he'll be ok as he gets more experience

[DB11]

After that awful performance, at least we got a point; one that we didn't deserve

[Fosse Boy]

After that awful performance, at least we got a point; one that we didn't deserve

I don't think Ipswich deserved the game any more than we did really.

[CosbehFox]

On another note, I agree that the defence were poor today but the Midfield didn't help. A lack of movement from Wellens, King and Oakley into space for simple passing our midfield is aptly capable of, wasn't there today. This meant Neilson, McGivern and Brown were closed down instantly and had to hastily hoof it upfield. Morrison was only the best of the defecnce as he was quicker to hoof it and didn't get caught in possession. Wellens and Brown repeatedly blamed their mistakes on McGivern.

Good point...normally as well King and Wellens are quite good collecting it off the defenders too....

[Lillehamring]

I quite like him and believe he's improving, but he plays as if he's hugely nervous, has a tendency to commit to challenges which gives the opponent a free flank and enough time to deliver a decent cross, and has an attitude of 'if in doubt, put it out'.

i think what a lot of people are overlooking was that, in peters, he was up against a very skillful, quick player - when one considers how easily he was being skinned a few games back, today, i thought he did a stand up job of, er, standing up...

clearly certain city fans are not prepared to acknowledge these elements of his game, especially after the knock back of the OG, i thought he showed, as you say continued improvement and, further more, a real sense of responsibility...

[Guest]

i have highlighted the four points that i believe you are most way off on - mcgivern ran his socks off, and played football the length of the field, his close control may not be the best but i thought the way he linked up with dyer and then waghorn and the midfield in general, was really encouraging, and to me he seemed to always be involved, perhaps his performance stood out for me cause he is easy to spot, but to say he didn't want the ball or was poor in possession doesn't reflect the amount of effort and commitment he put in today.

i haven't been a fan of his, and i get the feeling that most people felt the same before the game and, but it seems like many of those people have seen the OG and have immediately decided that, from then on, whatever he did wouldn't be any good.

as has been posted on here elsewhere, with the benefit of watching on tv, he knew nothing about the ball deflecting onto his leg, even weale who should've been close enough to get it is clearly wrong footed.

it's getting really boring on here, with people making judgements on players and sticking to it regardless - i remember berner got so much shit on here when he first came, and it took the best part of a season for the majority to come around...

to single out neilsen and mcgivern in a game we didn't win because we didn't create enough challenges, shows that there is some serious knuckle dragging (not you personally matt, you have expressed mainly indifference, i know) on this board - at times it has been like an online version of the post match RL phone in

I actually agree with Valerenga on the McGivern front and I was at the game, him and Morro were our best defenders today. McG made plenty of crucial interceptions and did his fair share of supporting attacking manouvres.

[Koke]

McG has actually improved from the horror displays earlier in the season. He wasn't bad today IMO. Still, the sooner Berner is back the better. I got nowt against the lad, he just gives me heart attacks when he's one v one with a winger.

[Donut]

You reckon any decent right backs and right wingers are available?