lcfc_jme Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 Who's even said that?! Me. Because I can. <_< Nah, it's just the way your yawn came across to be honest, it's like you expected that kind of response. I know 95% of the people in the pub said essentially that sentence within 5 minutes of the game finishing, anyway. Meeh. Worrevs, love you Michael.
Koke Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 Still think we will scrape through tbh. Though England's quality does not match up with the expectations set upon them.It's like expecting Leicester to go on and win the Carling Cup.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 A small percentage of the English fans are realists though, and pretty much know that whatever team is put out will never quite be as good as the sum of its parts. I don't really 'like' this team, but it's England, I've been brought up to support them, and I wouldn't feel right if I did anything else.
lcfc_jme Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 I was listening to 606 on the way home, and I've read most of the posts on here, and I can't recall anyone saying anything remotely close that Most are disappointed and frustrated - and rightly so. See above. I was in the pub with a couple of mates and can fully understand why they were upset about what they'd witnessed, I would be as well if I supported England. But I find it hard to sympathise with people when the majority in my experience seem to think things are a walk in the park and it's all one person's fault the team have failed - again, see above because this forum is not reflective of wider society and nor is 606. I just think it's a tad desperate when certain England fans have to resort to mocking other teams' performances on the day when I haven't even mentioned anybody else to mask their own sides' incompetence, especially when that other side are still, for now, better placed than England are. A small percentage of the English fans are realists though, and pretty much know that whatever team is put out will never quite be as good as the sum of its parts. I don't really 'like' this team, but it's England, I've been brought up to support them, and I wouldn't feel right if I did anything else. Which is fully understandable and fair, you're as entitled to support England as I am to choose not to and to criticise them. Differences of opinion and a bit of controversy make for good discussions and a forum, right?! It's the blind optimism of the masses and the point-blank refusal to accept the limitations as being legitimate from the majority of England fans that alot of my jibes are aimed at anyway; probably a case of the majority ruining it for the minority but that can't be helped and is neither your fault nor mine. I still stand by what I said in my original post, but I don't expect unanimous or even partial agreement because I'm a "biased little German" who should fu ck off there if I love it so much.
Koke Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 See above. I was in the pub with a couple of mates and can fully understand why they were upset about what they'd witnessed, I would be as well if I supported England. But I find it hard to sympathise with people when the majority in my experience seem to think things are a walk in the park and it's all one person's fault the team have failed - again, see above because this forum is not reflective of wider society and nor is 606. I just think it's a tad desperate when certain England fans have to resort to mocking other teams' performances on the day when I haven't even mentioned anybody else to mask their own sides' incompetence, especially when that other side are still, for now, better placed than England are. Fair enough. I edited it after seeing your above explanation.
Matt Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 I'd be more confident of a Leicester side, even when we were shite a few years ago ro go further than this England team.
buzzy Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 because he wasn't getting a look in for england under McLaren and yet capello wants him involved and so he's willing to be available because he knows he will actually play not just sit around as he would have done under Mclaren. well when tou retire thats it . his not done anything for liverpool last season so on performance his should not have been picked his past it GOT IT
buzzy Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 Spot on. well said it should have been rooney who should have gone off
Fox92 Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 In general, the best player playing out of position on the left. Not willing to change a formation. Is that why Fabio never managed Italy? And for Rooney to say that is disgraceful. People pay a lot of money to be entertained and haven't got their money's worth. Yet, a player who is on more than what we'll ever get, who hasn't produced, says something about the fans booing.
stez Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 I wonder how the 'capello index' would've rated the england players, last night.
The Doctor Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 Defo, real chance of Euro Spain look shaky and we beat Czech Republic in Levein's first game. Good omen's. i wouldn't say they look shaky (2 defeats in 49) but those 2 defeats came against the US and switzerland, 2 nations who like scotland are small and on paper couldn't hold a torch to the spanish (no offence meant to the swiss and americans here). If we try to match the spanish and play them at their own game we'll get torn to pieces but if we play to frustrate them and hope they get desperate so that gaps appear for us to exploite, then we have a chance. well when tou retire thats it . his not done anything for liverpool last season so on performance his should not have been picked his past it GOT IT regardless of whether he should have been playing last night england are lucky he was since without him (and barry) it could have been a whole lot worse.
DB11 Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sdg_6kBiT4&feature=player_embedded Not sure if it's been posted... but those fans have paid shit loads to get there
Phube Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sdg_6kBiT4&feature=player_embedded Not sure if it's been posted... but those fans have paid shit loads to get there Home? fans... Does Rooney even know where he is???
marbelladave Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 Home? fans... Does Rooney even know where he is??? Probably not, but he does know that if he has to he can probably buy the place and kick out anyone who does not show him proper 'respect'.
Fox92 Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sdg_6kBiT4&feature=player_embedded Not sure if it's been posted... but those fans have paid shit loads to get there Exactly. If you pay then you should be entitled to boo if you want. How much is Rooney on again? More than what the fans will ever be. Supposed to be one of the best players in the world and he's offered nothing, where as people like Messi have looked electric. Fair play, he's had an injury, but it doesn't look like the Rooney we see week in week out in a red Manchester United shirt. But, is he better managed at Old Trafford? Anyway, disgraceful comment. The players have to realise that it costs a bomb to get out there, never mind the cost of a hotel etc. If England would have lost 5-4 and lost whilst entertaining the fans and putting up a fight then I think we'd except it, but a boring, dull 0-0 is unreal. Wrong tactics and pick of players again, why do we want him to stay as England manager again?
Tilley Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 Rooney is an arsehole, maybe there is alot of pressure and maybe there is too much expectation but fuck me, that was Algeria in front of them and it isn't the fact we drew to be honest, it's the way in which we drew, it was pathetic. Saying that, as shit as he has been, we cannot afford to drop him because if he does decide to finally start performing, he will get us through. Anyone can harp on here about Heskey being the best performer so far etc. I said before the tournament he won't do anything, he isn't good enough and you all said, 'he lets everyone else play' etc, well I would actually say his inclusion is stopping us play. If we had a five man midfield with Gerrard behind Rooney, we'd play much better football. Heskey offers us nothing going forward, not at international level, he is garbage. Joe Cole needs to be out on the left, I've no idea what he has done wrong to be behind the laughable SWP. I'd stick Lennon on the right, Lampard and Barry in the middle. We might start seeing more from the likes of Gerrard and Lampard who usually play a five man midfield system for their clubs. We are losing possession far too easily and getting out numbered by the likes of USA and Algeria in midfield, God help us if we did get through, I'd be afraid of playing the likes of Uruguay and Mexico right now, let alone the Germans and Spanish. It is a shame Carragher is out on Wednesday, I doubted his ability to perform in a World Cup but he did pretty good last night. Going to be a horrible wait for Wednesday now, Capello needs to earn his money, be brave and change the team around.
Anish Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 What a load of dog shite that was. I'm not going to critique what's right or wrong with the team or tactics, i'm not being paid millions (with a potential multi-million pound pay-off for failure) to sort these wasters out and i'm not going to pretend i can walk into the job and make that team win the world cup. But three things: - Heskey has been one of the few, if not only, respectable players so far. But his inclusion, through no fault of his own, completely inhibits the team. When you have Gerrard, Lampard and Barry in midfield, three of the best club players in the world, you can't keep lumping the ball up above their heads. - Rooney has just been an utter cock so far. If he's not fit enough, he should tell Capello and Crouch and Defoe (club partnership/experience together) could have done the job tonight. If he is fit, he obviously doesnt care about the shirt he's wearing because he didnt show an ounce of passion or energy he shows for united, no chasing around like a headless chicken, no encouraging the team, no tireless runs, mis-controls, pass back shots and a gobby mouth. Let's hope he can pull out something special from now on. - Also, listening to Capello in the interview after, how the fook does that man instil anything into the players before the game or at half time? The man can't speak English, he can hardly put a sentence together at times, does he have a translator in the dressing room? Reputation says he's clearly a great manager, but if he talks like that to the team then fk knows how they know what he's talking about. Agreed with all of that. Capello's English is horrific seeing as he's been living in England for 2 years. He can barely understand the questions from journalists, how the hell is he meant to give clear instructions to players and/or motivate them or instil belief and confidence in them? It's all well and good scapegoating the players (who were all, bar Carragher and Barry, useless) but I think the management is to blame. They've managed to turn supposedly good players into a pub team where they all fail to control, pass, move and create anything. It was absolutely dire and an embarrassment. We are the laughing stock of the world right now, being led by an arrogant, stubborn buffoon who fails to see the error of his ways. It's time for one of the untouchables to be dropped (I'd go for Gerrard) and bring in Joe Cole. SWP should be shipped back to England because he's cack. Defoe should start instead of Heskey because Heskey simply encourages the long ball.
marbelladave Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 England have a core of players who 'expect' to go out and win, the believe they can do this by playing the same way that they play for their clubs (where of course they do win, most of the time) and are astonished and confused when it does not work. Even though our players are experienced at the top level of the Champions League they simple can not understand that international football is different and that you have to adapt your game if you are going to achieve anything. It is also possible that the players believe the hype that Champions League is 'better' than international football, so having done well in the CL, they expect to do well at international level and are confused and hurt when 'lesser' teams full of 'lesser' players refuse to roll over for them. Capello has tried to address this issue with iron discipline and an organised approach, worked well enough in qualifying but now, looks like it is beginning to unravel. One last chance to get it right, do we even have the ability to do that?
Joe. Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 First chance I've had to comment. After a night to mull it over, get over it slightly and sober up I wake up this morning feeling exactly the same - truly abysmal from top to bottom. As if watching it in a pub full of absolute bellends wasn't enough, I then had to watch England slug it out against a significantly inferior Algeria side who were truly woeful in their first game. It would be difficult to pick out individuals from a such a terrible performance, but for me that is by far the worst game Gerrard has ever had in an England shirt. Most people will know that I rate the guy immensely, but last night he was just plain awful. Every shot was smashed high and wide, every pass misplaced and don't even start me on those corners. But like I say, nobody deserves a particular attack in the side as they were all horrific, Gerrard just dsappointed me in particular. And now onto our manager, the man who just can't seem to get it right with us. Not playing Crouch for me is absolutely criminal when his goalscoring record against 'lesser' nations speaks for itself well and truly. But once again I think Capello will ignore him in favour of Defoe for the next game which would just be ridiculous. Joe Cole has got to come into the side against Slovenia, just for that little bit of sparkle that he undoubtedly still possesses. I don't get why he's been frozen out so badly - last night ignored again behind the enigma that is Shaun Wright-Phillips. I really don't know what to say now. We were mostly outplayed by an Algeria side who are really quite poor, and never looked threatening themselves. But the fact we never tested their goalkeeper significantly once just speaks absolute volumes. I'm all for positivity when it comes to our national side but when you see things like this you just can't help but get angry. I'm confident that we'll still go throughm but when you're doubting England against fucking Slovenia you know something just isn't right.
AyewJoking Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 I'm not confident we'll go through. Its not as if we are just struggling for form. The players didnt care last night and I wouldnt bet on us beating anyone at the moment. Maybe not getting out of the group will be a blessing in disguise. Capello will be sacked and paid his millions and the next boss can start a new England with wasters like Lampard left to rot.
Lillehamring Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 nah, we stick to being humiliated in the qualifying stages - although i think we've a real chance of reaching euro 2012 if i've got the groups right (spain and czech republic the main contenders) Czech republic's team is past it and as switzerland have shown it is possible to beat spain, anyway back to the WC - still at least it means the song "just don't come home too soon" will never see the light of day again. i very much doubt that, i watched one of those 'humiliating' qualifying games, and they were worse than england last night, sorry, but scotland are a generation away from being half decent.
CosbehFox Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 A small percentage of the English fans are realists though, and pretty much know that whatever team is put out will never quite be as good as the sum of its parts. I don't really 'like' this team, but it's England, I've been brought up to support them, and I wouldn't feel right if I did anything else. I know the feeling MTWG. I believed I was one of the realists pre-match yesterday (as my defence of US performance testifies). I even believed that as a relatively small nation England does rather well playing football but that performance made me into a Ingermong. I felt like turning it off as I was beginning to get wound up by it. Just a complete lack of effort and confidence. Capello has got the players playing in fear and he's begin to question him as his English appears to have gone downhill from previous weeks. The players rather then believing what a World Cup win would do their country and even themselves, they were just stablished by worry and fear. That said 11 players should have still mustered at least a clear cut chance on goal against Algeria quite happy to take a point and effectively knock themselves out of the competition (don't get me started on these teams who show little ambition and rather than trying to make a name for themselves, play for 3 pts from 3 games) Home? fans... Does Rooney even know where he is??? Tbf, even if there were no England fans in attendance - the game was worthy of booing. Both teams combine to set up the worst game of the tournament so far. Cashley and Barry were by far our stand-outs. Gerrard will take some stick but I thought he at least tried...just had a poor game and stuck in a position which does him no justice. Lampard and Rooney non-existent. Rooney is clearly injured and the comments....incredibly daft, remember your pay in comparison to what the thousands England fans over there have paid (and this is England support which is not reactionary...they watch all over the world, watching pedestrian performance after pedestrian performance).
Matt Posted 19 June 2010 Posted 19 June 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sdg_6kBiT4&feature=player_embedded Not sure if it's been posted... but those fans have paid shit loads to get there Woah woah woah, isn't it time to show some respect? (Works both ways, Rooney shouldn't have said it but if the fans hadn't booed he wouldn't have said it.
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