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dave the caveman

Clubs shouldn't be allowed to loan players who make their team better

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I think he's right to be honest, but not that we shouldn't be allowed to bring these players in, top clubs simply shouldn't be allowed to hoard them as they do.

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I think he's right to be honest, but not that we shouldn't be allowed to bring these players in, top clubs simply shouldn't be allowed to hoard them as they do.

Exactly. If you read the comments section below there are countless examples of players who had their careers ****ed up by being poached. The prime example of which is surely John Bostock, who went from playing first-team football at 15 to rotting at Spurs and failing to get in the Hull team.

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load of rubbish, if it wasn't for loans then young players at top teams such as Bruma, Van Aanholt, Naughton would be wasting away.

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If players are not in first team plans at their team, then whats wrong with loaning them out. All parts benefit, take wilshere for example. No way near the first team at arsenal last season, spent a season at bolton and look what thats done to him.

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I think he's right to be honest, but not that we shouldn't be allowed to bring these players in, top clubs simply shouldn't be allowed to hoard them as they do.

Exactly. If you read the comments section below there are countless examples of players who had their careers ****ed up by being poached. The prime example of which is surely John Bostock, who went from playing first-team football at 15 to rotting at Spurs and failing to get in the Hull team.

this and that

The problem is the transfer window, bigger clubs would rather hoard all the good players, a) so that they have plenty of cover, normally 3 players for every position and b) so the other big teams can't get them. Arsenal do at least try and get their players game time either on loan or in the first team, but the amount of players Chelsea have signed and left to rot is obscene, Tottenham are also prime offenders, I mean who signs 2 right backs from the same club at the same time, when they already have 2 very good right backs in the squad. Madness.

I real feel sorry for the likes of Steve Sidwell, Shaun Wright Phillips, Scott Parker, they could have been England regulars if they hadn't gone to Chelsea and rotted in the reserves, but then they went for money so I guess they do have to blame themselves.

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Never liked the loan system as it supports and maintains the existence of the top clubs allowing them to soak up all the best young players knowing they can loan them out. If the system didn't exist young players wouldn't necessarily choose to leave their home town clubs at a young age knowing they had little or no chance of 1st team football.

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load of rubbish, if it wasn't for loans then young players at top teams such as Bruma, Van Aanholt, Naughton would be wasting away.

Technically, though, that's unlikely. They wouldn't be wasting away. All three we're poached from the youth systems of other clubs, clubs at which all they'd probably all be playing regular first team football now (Feyenoord, PSV, Sheff Yoo).

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I think he's right to be honest, but not that we shouldn't be allowed to bring these players in, top clubs simply shouldn't be allowed to hoard them as they do.

Then the issue is the development of young players and the solution has more to do with limiting squad sizes or otherwise stopping Arsenal from just going to Africa and buying schools. That article would be interesting, but this one is just absurd.

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I don't think the article is wrong, and I think that 5 (seven if you include Vitor and Uchechi) is too many loan players...

...but if you are allowed to have 5 loan players in your matchday squad, then people will have 5 loan players in their match day squad if it will give them the advantage.

The other big problem is the ridiculously over inflated transfer fees in England and the difference in money between the Premiership and Champioonship. We would like to sign Yakubu, Yakubu would like to play for us, we can't afford the money while we are in the championship nor pay his wages.

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There is a lot wrong with football & the loan system is certainly part of whats wrong.

Whilst the rule is there there's nothing wrong with doing what we've done, i'd rather it wasn't the way, but whilst it is we may as well use it to the clubs advantage.

however, I find it odd people saying that without the loan system young players wouldn't play 1st team football, the very same loanees who have flooded our squad limiting the chances further of our own young players?

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Never liked the loan system as it supports and maintains the existence of the top clubs allowing them to soak up all the best young players knowing they can loan them out. If the system didn't exist young players wouldn't necessarily choose to leave their home town clubs at a young age knowing they had little or no chance of 1st team football.

You've hit the nail on the head there. the loaning of young players is the driver of their decisions to move in the first place. It has become normal to move to a big club as part of your development into a top player, with the loan system meaning you can play at a variety of levels and clubs while you develop.

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The loan system needs reforming. As Alan Young said last night, when a big club loans a player to a small club, there is an expectation that the player gets a lot of playing time. If he doesn't, the small club probably doesn't get any more favours from that particular big club.

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And what about the loan signings that turn out to be totally crap? Not that we haven't had our fair share of "disappointments" in the past...

It can go either way.

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I think he's right to be honest, but not that we shouldn't be allowed to bring these players in, top clubs simply shouldn't be allowed to hoard them as they do.

Never liked the loan system as it supports and maintains the existence of the top clubs allowing them to soak up all the best young players knowing they can loan them out. If the system didn't exist young players wouldn't necessarily choose to leave their home town clubs at a young age knowing they had little or no chance of 1st team football.

:thumbup:

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Well without the loan system then we would have probably bought the players instead, with the big clubs being more eager to sell.

Which suits me.

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