Jeff Bruma

[foxaholic]

Oh please. Lets not crack out that gem again

So Norwich and Leeds aren't better than us then? They just have momentum? Their results this season have not been down to their own hard work, talented players, team spirit etc? That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, I'm afraid. They have good managers and good players, as well as backing from good fanbases (as we have) If you don't believe me, try watching them.

All this is proving my point: Everyone just wants to make excuses for Sven. Nobody wants to pay attention to the fact that Sven has been in Charge since the start of October, that he's the manager, he's in charge and he's made decisions.

I don't know why I'm surprised, everyone was doing the same with Sousa.

I think it is unfair to link Norwich with Leeds Norwich are an axcellent side whereas Leeds probablly wont make the play offs nd no better than us as results against them proved

[davieG]

Well it'll be fun if we find out the we have a chance to sign Bruma but no chance of signing Mee or Vitor and that's why he's being played.

[Father Ted]

Are you lost? This isn't General Chat.

[The Doctor]

Oh please. Lets not crack out that gem again

So Norwich and Leeds aren't better than us then? They just have momentum? Their results this season have not been down to their own hard work, talented players, team spirit etc? That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, I'm afraid. They have good managers and good players, as well as backing from good fanbases (as we have) If you don't believe me, try watching them.

All this is proving my point: Everyone just wants to make excuses for Sven. Nobody wants to pay attention to the fact that Sven has been in Charge since the start of October, that he's the manager, he's in charge and he's made decisions.

I don't know why I'm surprised, everyone was doing the same with Sousa.

well it came from you since i said nothing of the sort.

They aren't necessarily better than us (in fact 2 wins and a draw in 3 games against leeds this season would suggest we're better than them) but I never said that the results haven't been down to hard work, team spirit and the like, just that confidence is probably the most important thing for a team to have and, from winning promotion they then had the confidence at the start of the season to push on, get early wins under their belts and that has lead to where they are now, Success begets Success. Watch whichever one doesn't go up this season at the start of next and i can almost guarantee they won't be playing as well as they are now.

Meanwhile after P/O heartbreak, the uncerimonious departure of their manager and the terrible start under his replacement, when sven arrived confidence in the squad will have been at an unimaginable low, giving sven and his backroom staff a hell of a lot of work to do just to get the team back up to last seasons standard before trying to improve on that. So although sven has been in charge since the start of october, it's not that people don't want to pay attention to that fact, it's that they appreciate all the work ,off the pitch as well as on it, that sven has had to do just to get us in this position

[Kitchandro]

well it came from you since i said nothing of the sort.

They aren't necessarily better than us (in fact 2 wins and a draw in 3 games against leeds this season would suggest we're better than them) but I never said that the results haven't been down to hard work, team spirit and the like, just that confidence is probably the most important thing for a team to have and, from winning promotion they then had the confidence at the start of the season to push on, get early wins under their belts and that has lead to where they are now, Success begets Success. Watch whichever one doesn't go up this season at the start of next and i can almost guarantee they won't be playing as well as they are now.

Meanwhile after P/O heartbreak, the uncerimonious departure of their manager and the terrible start under his replacement, when sven arrived confidence in the squad will have been at an unimaginable low, giving sven and his backroom staff a hell of a lot of work to do just to get the team back up to last seasons standard before trying to improve on that. So although sven has been in charge since the start of october, it's not that people don't want to pay attention to that fact, it's that they appreciate all the work ,off the pitch as well as on it, that sven has had to do just to get us in this position

Of course mentality is important, very important. But it's the managers job to get the players in the right mentality. Norwich and Leeds are above us because they've done better than us on the football pitch this season. They've had setbacks too - don't you remember when Leeds wanted Grayson out and they were in the bottom half? They didn't have momentum then. But the manager picked them up, they went on a great run and they will probably finish in the play-offs (they'll certainly finish above us) We lost 4 games in a row last season - then won our final 5 and secured a place in the play-offs. That was down to Pearson's motivational skills, not momentum. Sven has turned around our losing mentality somewhat, but we're still clearly short of what's required, for a number of reasons. Leeds and Norwich are in the play-offs because of what they've done this season, not last.

Preston have recently employed a manager who has motivated them and instilled belief - and their form has picked up. They certainly don't have momentum, that's down to the manager.

Momentum is a good thing to have, but it's not a physical thing. I don't accept that it's the difference between play-offs and not play-offs. Managers and players are in control of their own destiny.

[carterfox90]

3 words can sum up Bruma.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH

spot on!!!!!! what is the real deal with this joker of a center half?????

[Itsthejoeker]

I was watching on the stream and Bamba was much worse IMO. I've not seen much of Bruma so I can't make too much of a judgement on him but from what I have seen he's not been worse than Bamba. I don't know how much of it is Bruma's performances in other matches/his record of us losing when he plays/people jumping to quick judgements/their unconditional love for Bamba.Before I have a queue of people jumping on my back, I'm not bumming him, it's just yesterday he was better than Bamba.

Agreed, Bruma made some quality challenges. I thought Bamba messed around trying to close down too much before making the tackle. The reason we lost was because of the defence, no scapegoats, it's a team game after all

[Bob Weasel Fox]

i thought Bruma was a good player when i first saw him, he possibly still is but hes been like a jinx, every time he plays we lose or draw . . . . . . just a thought?????

[Ric Flair]

Bruma was a beast against QPR and admittedly he's been absolute muck against Middlesborough and Reading but the lad will be a decent player, certainly at this level.

What I would like to bring in to the mix though is that Sven is getting grief for wasting money on all these loan players and this season is now a write off, so why not play Bruma until the end of the season as it at least saves us some money than if we don't play him. The play-offs is almost dead now, so playing Bruma is actually a shrewder decision for the bank balance.

GEWON JEFF! Winner at Forest?

[Bert]

I knew Ricardo was rubbish before he signed, yes. And has he not been? Yes, he has.

Nobody's saying Weale is a top class goalkeeper, just that he's better than that muppet.

Of course it's irrelevant how good Weale is, because the point is, Ricardo isn't good enough. And he should never, ever have started that Derby game.

Hobbs and Berner were top performers for us last season. Who have they been replaced by? Bruma and Van Aanholt, as well as other failures. No wonder people miss them.

It's not about moving on, it's about being good. Why wouldn't fans want to be as good as we were last season? Some fans are so obsessed with moving on, that they won't admit when the grass isn't greener on the other side.

There is a reason we are not in the play-offs, and it's not all because of Sousa.

Ricardo is better than Weale, he just isn't suited to the championship.

I can't recall Weale playing for his country over 75 times and a world cup semi final.

[Stevosevic]

I hope we sign Bruma, he clearly has the ability to be a very good defender, especially at this level. He needs a calm presence playing alongside him, hopefully Vitor on Friday.

[Jimmy]

he obviously has talent but sometimes it just doesn't work for players/managers at a club, I think this is the case for Bruma, for what ever reason its just not working for him here

[Babylon]

So Norwich and Leeds aren't better than us then? They just have momentum? Their results this season have not been down to their own hard work, talented players, team spirit etc? That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, I'm afraid. They have good managers and good players, as well as backing from good fanbases (as we have) If you don't believe me, try watching them.

All this is proving my point: Everyone just wants to make excuses for Sven. Nobody wants to pay attention to the fact that Sven has been in Charge since the start of October, that he's the manager, he's in charge and he's made decisions.

I don't know why I'm surprised, everyone was doing the same with Sousa.

You do realise that from the moment Sven walked in the door we have actually gained more points than Leeds and only 3 less than Norwich.

Yeah he has had money to spend, but they had have the advantage of a preseason, years to build their teams and momentum which is important.

And you wonder why people are sticking up for the manager?

We average 1.63 under Sven which would have us in 6th place, if you take the exact same period from last year under Pearson we averaged 1.61 and were also 6th.

[Ric Flair]

You do realise that from the moment Sven walked in the door we have actually gained more points than Leeds and only 3 less than Norwich.

Yeah he has had money to spend, but they had have the advantage of a preseason, years to build their teams and momentum which is important.

And you wonder why people are sticking up for the manager?

We average 1.63 under Sven which would have us in 6th place, if you take the exact same period from last year under Pearson we averaged 1.61 and were also 6th.

Mate, there's no point arguing with some of our fans. These are the fans that were begging, pleading with someone to replace Sousa and save our season. Sven has done that and has been a cat's whisker away from leading us to the unthinkable of the play-offs but because he's done that with relative ease, he's now being chastised because we've fallen short with a poor run of form in these last 9 games. Mistakes have been made and he perhaps should have done better but this is a club that was in turmoil in September and October and he's turned that around and we'll be devastating next season when he get's it right. I just wish our fans would chill out.

[Stevosevic]

Mate, there's no point arguing with some of our fans. These are the fans that were begging, pleading with someone to replace Sousa and save our season. Sven has done that and has been a cat's whisker away from leading us to the unthinkable of the play-offs but because he's done that with relative ease, he's now being chastised because we've fallen short with a poor run of form in these last 9 games. Mistakes have been made and he perhaps should have done better but this is a club that was in turmoil in September and October and he's turned that around and we'll be devastating next season when he get's it right. I just wish our fans would chill out.

Well said.

[Simmo86]

You do realise that from the moment Sven walked in the door we have actually gained more points than Leeds and only 3 less than Norwich.

Yeah he has had money to spend, but they had have the advantage of a preseason, years to build their teams and momentum which is important.

And you wonder why people are sticking up for the manager?

We average 1.63 under Sven which would have us in 6th place, if you take the exact same period from last year under Pearson we averaged 1.61 and were also 6th.

:appl:

Mate, there's no point arguing with some of our fans. These are the fans that were begging, pleading with someone to replace Sousa and save our season. Sven has done that and has been a cat's whisker away from leading us to the unthinkable of the play-offs but because he's done that with relative ease, he's now being chastised because we've fallen short with a poor run of form in these last 9 games. Mistakes have been made and he perhaps should have done better but this is a club that was in turmoil in September and October and he's turned that around and we'll be devastating next season when he get's it right. I just wish our fans would chill out.

:appl:

[Ric Flair]

The problem Sven has had is that he's dealing with a squad of players that aren't his cup of tea. He's also dealing with a squad of players that know he doesn't rate some of them and it's difficult. He could have pretended he thought the world of the likes of Hobbs, Howard, Weale, Waghnorn and Berner and perserved this season with them. But what's the point? He's gambled by bringing in a lot of loan players that have the ability but some of them haven't settled. I'm always cautious of loan players because there have been many gone to clubs who are talented up to the eyeballs but it doesn't work. A permanent transfer always leads to both aprties giving it their all and being given the right environment to succeed, Sven needs to learn this and in the summer he has to put together a squad that's got quality and are here for the long term. Difficult when you want to get instant promotiona and then when promoted you want to kick on and compete, this is why we've seen a lot of loan players. Sven knows that a lot of Premiership players won't drop down permanently to the Championship but if he signs lots of players permanently, they might not be good enough for a higher level and then the buying and selling starts again in abundance.

He's a big job to do as of May. I'm appreciative that we're not getting relegated, that the squad is there to be added to and that we have a manager who is becoming aware of what is needed. The thai's will back him as well, so should we.

[muzzy1981]

I feel Svens (odd) team selection indicates that he has reigned us to Championship football next season, which is a shame but probaly realsitic.

There is obviously great potential in Mee, Vitor and Bruma and by rotating them and keeping them all involved we have a greater chance of at least signing one in the summer.

Bruma may not have been as good as Mee or Vitor in games but he might be showing the potential in training to be a class act, he is 19 after all.

Last thing we want to do is drive out any potential stars out the club so lets get behind who ever is in the team!

[Brown Fox]

Chelsea fans on 606 were all saying that Bruma has loads of talent but because he's only 19 he needs to be beside an older head as he was when he started a few 1st team games for them this season. I think we all know he has talent but with Bamba next to him I think he feels uncomfortable. By having that strong, older head they can tell him what to do just as Carragher has been doing with those new 17 year old full backs at Liverpool. I would be quite happy to see Bruma here next season but only next to an experienced defender

[teblin]

The problem Sven has had is that he's dealing with a squad of players that aren't his cup of tea. He's also dealing with a squad of players that know he doesn't rate some of them and it's difficult. He could have pretended he thought the world of the likes of Hobbs, Howard, Weale, Waghnorn and Berner and perserved this season with them. But what's the point? He's gambled by bringing in a lot of loan players that have the ability but some of them haven't settled. I'm always cautious of loan players because there have been many gone to clubs who are talented up to the eyeballs but it doesn't work. A permanent transfer always leads to both aprties giving it their all and being given the right environment to succeed, Sven needs to learn this and in the summer he has to put together a squad that's got quality and are here for the long term. Difficult when you want to get instant promotiona and then when promoted you want to kick on and compete, this is why we've seen a lot of loan players. Sven knows that a lot of Premiership players won't drop down permanently to the Championship but if he signs lots of players permanently, they might not be good enough for a higher level and then the buying and selling starts again in abundance.

He's a big job to do as of May. I'm appreciative that we're not getting relegated, that the squad is there to be added to and that we have a manager who is becoming aware of what is needed. The thai's will back him as well, so should we.

Can you please stop with these sensible posts. Please join in with the inane ramblings.

Sven has done a great job and as you say we are probably going to finish a whisker outside the playoffs.

Its not out the out of the question that we could win the last 4 games and who knows where that would take us.

As for Bruma i think he'll be a very good footballer its just a little early for him.

[Father Ted]

In reply to Babylon and Ric Flair's recent rants at people having a go at Sven, I feel that perhaps you are the ones blowing this all out of proportion.

Nobody yet, (to my knowledge) has said Sven out, they are merely just criticising his recent tactics and inept team selections which have ultimately cost us vital points.

Everybody is behind Sven and wants him to succeed but whats wrong with a bit of criticism, not everybody is perfect.

[Babylon]

Mate, there's no point arguing with some of our fans. I just wish our fans would chill out.

I know, just frustrating when people can't find a middle ground and have to be ultra negative. Here is another little point...

Since Sven took charge QPR have taken 5 more points than us. We are currently 5 points outside the playoffs. So for us to have actually been in a playoff spot currently, we would have needed to match QPR's title winning form.

Do people really think that's a reasonable expectation of a manager taking over a team in the bottom three after 10 games? Yes we got into a good position, but to EXPECT us to keep up that kind of form just seems unrealistic to me.

Nobody (apart from couple of nutters) think he's not made any mistakes, and I'm sure the inclusion of new faces didn't help (his recent comments seem to show he's admitted this mistake). But that doesn't explain the loss of form of other players who were key when we were in form. The likes of King and Wellens haven't played well since the Man City games.

It's not all just down to a couple of players, no matter how much want to pin the blame on them.

[Kitchandro]

In reply to Babylon and Ric Flair's recent rants at people having a go at Sven, I feel that perhaps you are the ones blowing this all out of proportion.

Nobody yet, (to my knowledge) has said Sven out, they are merely just criticising his recent tactics and inept team selections which have ultimately cost us vital points.

Everybody is behind Sven and wants him to succeed but whats wrong with a bit of criticism, not everybody is perfect.

There's no point arguing with some of our fans. Theses are the same people who were defending Sousa. Nothing is ever the manager's fault.

[Corky]

Theses are the same people who were defending Sousa.

Except they aren't.

[Brown Fox]

There's no point arguing with some of our fans. Theses are the same people who were defending Sousa. Nothing is ever the manager's fault.

Surely you agree with what Babylon and Ric Flair just said?