Boxing

[foxes_rule1978]

10 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

Anybody else completely fed up with this sport? 
 

Usyk v Dubois

Joshua v Whyte 2

 

Snoozefest that would cost you about £50 to see both (legally). 

There is a huge problem with boxing at the moment, we will be lucky if we ever see Usyk fight Fury 

[STEVIE B]

1 hour ago, RonnieTodger said:

Anybody else completely fed up with this sport? 
 

Usyk v Dubois

Joshua v Whyte 2

 

Snoozefest that would cost you about £50 to see both (legally). 

The HW division is suffering badly because the so called 'elite' fellas are waiting for their megabuck pay days in Saudi. No chance of them risking £70m. 

It's a dull division. 

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, STEVIE B said:

The HW division is suffering badly because the so called 'elite' fellas are waiting for their megabuck pay days in Saudi. No chance of them risking £70m. 

It's a dull division. 

....seems like a lot of sports want a cut of that sportswashed Saudi filthy money.

 

Damn shame, really.

[RonnieTodger]

6 hours ago, STEVIE B said:

The HW division is suffering badly because the so called 'elite' fellas are waiting for their megabuck pay days in Saudi. No chance of them risking £70m. 

It's a dull division. 

It really could’ve been a golden era (by modern standards).

 

Usyk, Fury, Wilder and Joshua and yet none have fought more than one of the others.

 

We can’t even get Wilder v Ruiz ffs.

Edited 6 July 2023 by RonnieTodger

[Raj]

Not just nostalgia but boxing seems utterly dull compared to the mega fighters of 30 years ago 

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, Raj said:

Not just nostalgia but boxing seems utterly dull compared to the mega fighters of 30 years ago 

I'd agree, and I think a big part of it is that the big fights actually got organised and done back then despite all the different belts still existing. Now, you get just too much posturing and politicking and the fights everyone wants to see just don't happen as much.

[STEVIE B]

19 minutes ago, Raj said:

Not just nostalgia but boxing seems utterly dull compared to the mega fighters of 30 years ago 

Spot on. Amazing that Hagler, Hearns, Leonard & Duran all fought each other. 

Boxing did seem better in the 80s & 90s. Money & politics didn't seem to get in the way.

[filbertway]

Plenty of good boxing to be found, it is a shame that either greed or ego has prevented these major fights at heavyweight though.

 

[grobyfox1990]

19 hours ago, RonnieTodger said:

Anybody else completely fed up with this sport? 
 

Usyk v Dubois

Joshua v Whyte 2

 

Snoozefest that would cost you about £50 to see both (legally). 

Can't blame them though, they are waiting for the Saudi's to offer £500m per person to fight, you or I wouldn't risk prancing around Wembley stadium for peanuts when that carrot is dangled in front of you. You want the carrot. Both fights you mention will be pretty dull. Anyway paying PPV to watch is a complete mug

[Raj]

7 hours ago, STEVIE B said:

Spot on. Amazing that Hagler, Hearns, Leonard & Duran all fought each other. 

Boxing did seem better in the 80s & 90s. Money & politics didn't seem to get in the way.

Even The Brit boys in the middleweights.

The likes of Benn, Eubank, Collins, Watson fighting each other and the likes of McCleland...Benn V McCleland has to be one of THE greatest fights ever.

 

 

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, Raj said:

Even The Brit boys in the middleweights.

The likes of Benn, Eubank, Collins, Watson fighting each other and the likes of McCleland...Benn V McCleland has to be one of THE greatest fights ever.

 

 

I remember watching that live - it was pretty damn harrowing to watch a guy collapse into a coma on national TV, even though I didn't really know what was going on.

[Raj]

3 hours ago, leicsmac said:

I remember watching that live - it was pretty damn harrowing to watch a guy collapse into a coma on national TV, even though I didn't really know what was going on.

Yep and Benns post fight interview was harrowing as I think he was saying stuff like they bought him her to kill me but I killed him.

Obviously  he had no idea he nearly did.

brutal  brutal fight as Benn was down and out a couple of times.

Gladiatorial 

[CWC1983]

4 hours ago, Raj said:

Even The Brit boys in the middleweights.

The likes of Benn, Eubank, Collins, Watson fighting each other and the likes of McCleland...Benn V McCleland has to be one of THE greatest fights ever.

 

 

Some brilliant fights back then, all ITV 10pm Saturday nights.  

 

Reg Gutteridge and Jim Watt, Jim Rosenthal presenting. 

 

Used to love watching them in my local. 

 

I remember early Naseem Hamed fights on there as well, or maybe ot was on the BBC. 

 

[Raj]

1 hour ago, CWC1983 said:

Some brilliant fights back then, all ITV 10pm Saturday nights.  

 

Reg Gutteridge and Jim Watt, Jim Rosenthal presenting. 

 

Used to love watching them in my local. 

 

I remember early Naseem Hamed fights on there as well, or maybe ot was on the BBC. 

 

Yep free on itv.

Even had the Tyson fights on at some stupid hour which I would set my alarm for!!

Those were the days

[RonnieTodger]

Fury fighting N’Gannou.

 

This sport is toast.

[Finnegan]

20 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

Fury fighting N’Gannou.

 

This sport is toast.

 

Absolute bottling fraud. 

[turlo]

It was only last week that Frank Warren was on talk sport saying that AJ, Usyk & Wilder were all chasing the big Saudi money, which was holding the division up and Fury wasn't interested in that. A week later Fury signs up to a big money fight in Saudi against an unranked fighter

[Gubbins]

3 hours ago, RonnieTodger said:

Fury fighting N’Gannou.

 

This sport is toast.

I only follow mma and know very little regards boxing so someone's gonna have to explain it to me. How does a guy with 0 professional boxing fights and pretty much 0 chance of winning end up fighting a reigning heavyweight champion? I mean I realise both are only doing it for some sportswashed cash but surely there are rules to stop such a ridiculous fight taking place. There's gotta be top ranked contenders his organisation should be making him fight?

[turlo]

16 minutes ago, Gubbins said:

I only follow mma and know very little regards boxing so someone's gonna have to explain it to me. How does a guy with 0 professional boxing fights and pretty much 0 chance of winning end up fighting a reigning heavyweight champion? I mean I realise both are only doing it for some sportswashed cash but surely there are rules to stop such a ridiculous fight taking place. There's gotta be top ranked contenders his organisation should be making him fight?

The WBC got a brown envelop full of Saudi money to allow it  and Fury has now gone 18 months without a mandetory defence of his WBC belt. 

 

 

[Finnegan]

23 minutes ago, Gubbins said:

I only follow mma and know very little regards boxing so someone's gonna have to explain it to me. How does a guy with 0 professional boxing fights and pretty much 0 chance of winning end up fighting a reigning heavyweight champion? I mean I realise both are only doing it for some sportswashed cash but surely there are rules to stop such a ridiculous fight taking place. There's gotta be top ranked contenders his organisation should be making him fight?

 

It's more or less an exhibition for cash, the belts aren't likely to be on the line. The WBC doesn't have a mandatory they're making Fury fight so he's just tossing around being a bellend. They can't really strip him for this when there's not been a demand to fight a mandatory. 

 

It's obviously a load of shit though and boxing definitely needs one centralised governing authority and preferably one that's beyond corruption. It'll never happen mind.

[RonnieTodger]

3 hours ago, Gubbins said:

I only follow mma and know very little regards boxing so someone's gonna have to explain it to me. How does a guy with 0 professional boxing fights and pretty much 0 chance of winning end up fighting a reigning heavyweight champion? I mean I realise both are only doing it for some sportswashed cash but surely there are rules to stop such a ridiculous fight taking place. There's gotta be top ranked contenders his organisation should be making him fight?

The sport is corrupt to the core. YouTube boxing and daft exhibitions have paved the way for this “who would win?” nonsense. 
 

The sport eats itself with 4 governing bodies and promoters calling the shots, instead of a centralised organisation like the UFC. It’s a miracle whenever any major fight gets made.

The public have been begging for Fury to fight Usyk or AJ and we’ve been given this shit. 

[MPH]

On 06/07/2023 at 17:41, RonnieTodger said:

It really could’ve been a golden era (by modern standards).

 

Usyk, Fury, Wilder and Joshua and yet none have fought more than one of the others.

 

We can’t even get Wilder v Ruiz ffs.

 

On 07/07/2023 at 01:11, Raj said:

Not just nostalgia but boxing seems utterly dull compared to the mega fighters of 30 years ago 

It’s the exact reason why the UFC is becoming more popular. The fighters are all on one centralized contract and  have little say on who they fights, so the bouts are arranged with entertainment in mind.

[Gubbins]

So it's just a sad reflection of the current state of the sport it seems. Does this fight even sell ppv wise? I'm sure they are both guaranteed a decent sum of Saudi oil money regardless but aren't fees usually linked to ppvs? Its essentially just a tyson fury sparring session really. There's no American involved to appeal to that market and ngannou has no name recognition to non ufc fans and even amongst them he's hardly super popular.. Given how uncompetitive its likely to be I don't see many people forking out cash to watch it.

[leicsmac]

32 minutes ago, Gubbins said:

So it's just a sad reflection of the current state of the sport it seems. Does this fight even sell ppv wise? I'm sure they are both guaranteed a decent sum of Saudi oil money regardless but aren't fees usually linked to ppvs? Its essentially just a tyson fury sparring session really. There's no American involved to appeal to that market and ngannou has no name recognition to non ufc fans and even amongst them he's hardly super popular.. Given how uncompetitive its likely to be I don't see many people forking out cash to watch it.

I would posit that given the amount of sportswashed dirty oil money available, that is no longer the case and so they don't have to worry about PPVs.

 

And as for the originators, it's like any other criminal enterprise - any money you manage to launder into legit fields is a success, even if it isn't all of it and you lose some in the process.

[Foxdiamond]

On 07/07/2023 at 14:28, Raj said:

Even The Brit boys in the middleweights.

The likes of Benn, Eubank, Collins, Watson fighting each other and the likes of McCleland...Benn V McCleland has to be one of THE greatest fights ever.

 

 

Does anyone here remember Tony Sibson v Frankie Lucas