For Those Wanting Sven Gone...

[Dr The Singh]

Like the previous poster had said, this managers job is as much gettiing us ppromoted as the media effects in the far east, the only 2 managers that could fill Svens void that I can think of are, MON and Mark Pubes!!!!!!

I can't see Sven getting sacked just yet though, were still in contention for a play off spot, which I think isn't really good enough!!

[stix]

If MON won't come, then any of the following:

Roy Keane- 1 promotion, fück all else.

Billy Davies- 1 promotion, fück all else.

Dave Jones- 1 promotion, fück all else.

Iain Dowie- pleease!!

Nigel Worthington-Cant remember any success.

Aidy Boothroyd- 1 promotion, fück all else.

Phil Brown- 1 promotion, fück all else.

All have had success in this league, which is more than the ageing Swedish mercenary will EVER do-are you fücking Nostradamus?

The happy-clappies need to wake up and smell the coffee-or smell the shit coming out of your mouth, again...

[Kitchandro]

Talk about a major overreaction on this board! Please look at the bigger picture. Yes, we were absolutely abysmal yesterday and lost to a very poor side, but such is football and the division we are in. I still do not believe that whether it be through late signings, injuries or suspensions that all of the players have adjusted to each others game yet. This takes time but will come the more the side play together and consistency will improve. This is clearly a very talented side, one of the best we have had for a long time, a point which was exhibited by the performance against Derby.

If we are to draw any positives from recent defeats the games we have lost have all been against lowly placed opposition, whilst we have beaten all the sides who have been in and around the top six. By comparison last season we thrashed a lot of the bottom teams but came unstuck against the top teams as we didn't have the quality. This has now been addressed and I'm sure as the season progresses we'll start beating the divisions lesser sides.

Everyone on this forum seems certain West Ham will eventually dominate the league and admittedly whilst they do have a game in hand we are only 2 points away from them. Southampton look well placed currently but aside from West Ham and based on current form Leeds, they haven't taken many points from the top sides in this division.

Remember in football quality always shines through in the end. For those calling for Sven's head, look at Arsenal and the start they have made this season. Surely the majority would agree that Arsenal would have been stupid to sack Wenger as he will turn things around. Again another team with high expectations this season are Liverpool. They didn't start particularly well but are slowly climbing and you can be sure that they'll in the mix at the end of the season. Cardiff last season despite a poor start still finished in the playoffs.

Our start has not been disasterous nor is it anywhere near as bad as last seasons start. Give this team the time it needs to settle and we will definitely be there or thereabouts. If you think back to the incredibly poor start we had last season, had our strong run not come to an abrupt end is was quite feasible at one point that we could possibly have snatched second spot. We are in a far better position this season, and I cannot see any team in this division running away with the league like QPR did last season. We've just got to ride the storm, keep close to the teams at the top, and when our time comes cease the opportunity!

The bigger picture is we aren't good enough for the top 2. Not just because of yesterday but at least half of our performances this season. It doesn't matter how many points you are off this and that if you aren't good enough to make it up over the course of the season.

And actually, I would consider letting Wenger go at the end of this season if I were the Arsenal chairman, they will probably finish outside the top 4 and they've been getting worse over the past few years. Wenger has done a brilliant job there but similarly to Dave Jones at Cardiff, sometimes it's just the right time to move on and go in another direction. In any case, comparing Sven to Wenger is absolutely ludicrous and I'd like you to explain properly why you bothered to try.

As for last season, our strong run came to an end because Sven started tinkering with the line-up. We are not in a far better position this season in terms of where the team is at, we played far better football last season - our weaknesses were defending and team spirit. Defending has improved on the whole but at the expense of good football. I'd rather be playing the football that we were this season than last season.

Anyway, this is the same shit people were coming out with when Sousa was in charge, it's coming from the same people, you know who you are, you love to defend the indefensible when it comes to managers that you think are promising but who are ultimately mutton dressed as lamb, and not very convincingly. You actually have very few positive things to say about the team but all the same you are 99% sure that things will come good.

And since you said these same things when Sousa was in charge, it's difficult to take them seriously.

[Walshy5]

Mark Hughes

[l444ry]

chris powell is doing well at Charlton..

If we are going to stick with SGE would like to see an attacking coach come in to replace Dietmar Hamann/Chris Powell instead of it being left to Stowell who is a goalkeeping coach.

Your post suggests that the current crap we are watching has nothing to do with Sven and everything to do with HIS staff appointments. How strange!

[Dan]

Hate to say it.

Billy Davies.

That man would get us out of this league.

[Corky]

Davies wouldn't be a bad choice, though I'm sure he wouldn't get on with the job quietly.

Not Dave Jones though.

[josh_baskin]

Hear hear!

[Dan]

Thracian.

[seenitall]

If MON won't come, then any of the following:

Roy Keane

Billy Davies

Dave Jones

Iain Dowie

Nigel Worthington

Aidy Boothroyd

Phil Brown

All have had success in this league, which is more than the ageing Swedish mercenary will EVER do.

The happy-clappies need to wake up and smell the coffee.

You deserve this lot for bollocks comments like that - what a pile of poo they all are - none of them has had any success ever - typical non ambitious City fan - support Forest or just go away

[Earlydoorsjones]

Written after the Millwall game...

My mate has a theory based on karma - Sven must be fvcking a nun or something?

If there were a number of really attractive options that Leicester could turn to in order to replace Sven (like St. Martin, the Norwich bloke, that one that did well for Charlton a while back, or...) then my knee jerk reaction would be to place the Sweed's head on the chopping block and slice fvcking big time.

But, I have four concerns with my hate filled over reaction after the Millwall game (it had to be fvcking Millwall):

1. We are not blessed with any really attractive options (come on, Dave Jones - Cardiff got shot... and as for Billy Davies, he would be given the push or walk given enough time)

2. I will feel different about this after a good run of results (which will come - amid the odd loss/thumping 'cause after all, this is football)

3. If we slice Sven now, we will be right back where we were when Sven took over - a new manager with the old manager's players, needing a pre-season to establish his own game etc - so it will be 2 years before we are here again)

4. If we give Sven to the end of the season, we are rightfully giving him the full opportunity to do the job he was brought here for (if we keep thinking in short or medium terms, we will continue to have a revolving door policy that wrecked our club in the recent past... long term strategies are a stabilising factor upon the ambitions of any enterprise).

City fans, and I have noticed this about myself in the past 10 years, are liable to feeling extreme emotions because of the things that have happened to the Club in that time.

Given a bit more to smile about, we could take a result like Millwall a bit better - it happens to all clubs.

But we have used up our quota of patience for the time being and every 'new era' has to be the one that takes us back to life pre-Tay*or.

Any blip sends us into frantic, ranting and pathological know-it-alls (and yes, I include myself in this - but I have had my rant over SSL, the treatment of the Fosse Boys, and many other issues).

Put the bottle down, sensible head on now:

This season is far from over yet.

I want the results to come, but I think keeping Sven is the lesser of two evils at the moment and the most likely way to achieve this is stability.

I do not fully trust Sven right now but he is still in the range of tolerance and still has the best chance to get our Club promoted.

I am being selfish about this - it is all about the Club now, and not loyalty to Sven.

I am backing stability and the long term strategy - not Sven.

In Sven we... want results, but lets remember we will have to take a few more knocks yet.

[ousefox]

i would love Pearson back..

[Wherethefoxhat?]

yes he did cant remember if it was before sousa or after him, he said he was not interested in coming back to us

Rubbish !

[Happy Fox]

Options we should consider if Sven leaves

MON

Lee Clark

Mark Hughes

Owen Coyle (if Bolton sack him)

Simon Grayson ( who knows)

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

I'd like Sven at the club, perhaps in a director of football role? For all his faults he's clearly got a network of contacts and he's a big draw to a club in himself, like him or loathe him.

Get a good, young coach in and it could work. Karl Robinson, Lee Clark or even Chris Powell. From them, I'd love to see Clark here, he's done outstandingly at Huddersfield while having to deal with very decent players moving on, all the while maintaining a style, his sides are some of the most attractive outside the top-flight. Unbeaten in god knows how long.

[Happy Fox]

I'd like Sven at the club, perhaps in a director of football role? For all his faults he's clearly got a network of contacts and he's a big draw to a club in himself, like him or loathe him.

Get a good, young coach in and it could work. Karl Robinson, Lee Clark or even Chris Powell. From them, I'd love to see Clark here, he's done outstandingly at Huddersfield while having to deal with very decent players moving on.

This but I cannot see this happening.

[accessory]

You deserve this lot for bollocks comments like that - what a pile of poo they all are - none of them has had any success ever - typical non ambitious City fan - support Forest or just go away

They've all forgotten more about English club football than the mercenary will ever know.

But credit to you for managing to type with a Swedish cock in your mouth...

[m00nie]

I'd like Sven at the club, perhaps in a director of football role? For all his faults he's clearly got a network of contacts and he's a big draw to a club in himself, like him or loathe him.

Get a good, young coach in and it could work. Karl Robinson, Lee Clark or even Chris Powell. From them, I'd love to see Clark here, he's done outstandingly at Huddersfield while having to deal with very decent players moving on, all the while maintaining a style, his sides are some of the most attractive outside the top-flight. Unbeaten in god knows how long.

i think thats one of the most overrated sayings going myself..

people was always using this in the summer but nothing ever came of it.. striker for example, how long was wasted trying to get maynard.. if these contacts were really there he could have had a list of strikers queuing up for him..

think any manager could have rang the likes of reading up with a 5 million bid and been successful for mills etc..

i do like the idea of having him as dof though as i do think he is still a good name so will still benefit us, as long as a head coach coming in is a decent one who can motivate etc...

[He's not bald]

Written after the Millwall game...

My mate has a theory based on karma - Sven must be fvcking a nun or something?

If there were a number of really attractive options that Leicester could turn to in order to replace Sven (like St. Martin, the Norwich bloke, that one that did well for Charlton a while back, or...) then my knee jerk reaction would be to place the Sweed's head on the chopping block and slice fvcking big time.

But, I have four concerns with my hate filled over reaction after the Millwall game (it had to be fvcking Millwall):

1. We are not blessed with any really attractive options (come on, Dave Jones - Cardiff got shot... and as for Billy Davies, he would be given the push or walk given enough time)

2. I will feel different about this after a good run of results (which will come - amid the odd loss/thumping 'cause after all, this is football)

3. If we slice Sven now, we will be right back where we were when Sven took over - a new manager with the old manager's players, needing a pre-season to establish his own game etc - so it will be 2 years before we are here again)

4. If we give Sven to the end of the season, we are rightfully giving him the full opportunity to do the job he was brought here for (if we keep thinking in short or medium terms, we will continue to have a revolving door policy that wrecked our club in the recent past... long term strategies are a stabilising factor upon the ambitions of any enterprise).

City fans, and I have noticed this about myself in the past 10 years, are liable to feeling extreme emotions because of the things that have happened to the Club in that time.

Given a bit more to smile about, we could take a result like Millwall a bit better - it happens to all clubs.

But we have used up our quota of patience for the time being and every 'new era' has to be the one that takes us back to life pre-Tay*or.

Any blip sends us into frantic, ranting and pathological know-it-alls (and yes, I include myself in this - but I have had my rant over SSL, the treatment of the Fosse Boys, and many other issues).

Put the bottle down, sensible head on now:

This season is far from over yet.

I want the results to come, but I think keeping Sven is the lesser of two evils at the moment and the most likely way to achieve this is stability.

I do not fully trust Sven right now but he is still in the range of tolerance and still has the best chance to get our Club promoted.

I am being selfish about this - it is all about the Club now, and not loyalty to Sven.

I am backing stability and the long term strategy - not Sven.

In Sven we... want results, but lets remember we will have to take a few more knocks yet.

I want Sven gone but was reading your post and was sort of nodding in agreement at some well made points until "it is all about the Club now, and not loyalty to Sven"

What the f*** are you on about, you are a Leicester City supporter I presume???

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

They've all forgotten more about English club football than the mercenary will ever know.

But credit to you for managing to type with a Swedish cock in your mouth...

It's not a case of bumming Sven off - I think the poster's point was that if you honestly think the likes of Phil Brown, Iain Dowie or Aidy Boothroyd are going to be an improvement on what we already have, you're a clown. This league is alot different now to when Dowie won promotion with Palace, Boothroyd with Watford, Keane with Sunderland, even brown with Hull. The list of managers you suggested have all been dining out on one success and have done very little since, bar have distinctly mediocre records at average sides. When was the last time any of them did anything of note, apart from get the chop, or achieve relegation?

I'm not pro-Sven, nor am I anti-Sven. But I'm not a bum-boy for sooner having him here than Boothroyd. Merely sane.

There are tonnes of bright young managers outside the Premier League, instead of suggesting someone reasonable for the post should you get your undying wish and Sven go - you plump for that bunch. Dear God.

[Guest Col city fan]

It's not a case of bumming Sven off - I think the poster's point was that if you honestly think the likes of Phil Brown, Iain Dowie or Aidy Boothroyd are going to be an improvement on what we already have, you're a clown. This league is alot different now to when Dowie won promotion with Palace, Bothroyd with Watford, Keane with Sunderland, even brown with Hull. The list of managers you suggested have all been dining out on one success and have done very little since, bar have distinctly mediocre records at average sides. When was the last time any of them did anything of note, apart from get the chop, or achieve relegation?

I'm not pro-Sven, nor am I anti-Sven. But I'm not a bum-boy for sooner having him here than Bothroyd. Merely sane.

There are tonnes of bright young managers outside the Premier League, instead of suggesting someone reasonable for the post should you get your undying wish and Sven go - you plump for that bunch. Dear God.

Agree with this post completely.... thats a rubbish list IMO.

If I were TOP and the gang and IF Sven was gonna go..I'd push the boat out and make Nigel Adkins an offer he couldnt refuse..

For me, simply the best manager in the division bar none

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

i do like the idea of having him as dof though as i do think he is still a good name so will still benefit us, as long as a head coach coming in is a decent one who can motivate etc...

[accessory]

Agree with this post completely.... thats a rubbish list IMO.

If I were TOP and the gang and IF Sven was gonna go..I'd push the boat out and make Nigel Adkins an offer he couldnt refuse..

For me, simply the best manager in the division bar none

With all due respect, WHY would Adkins leave the saints for us right now? Seriously..

[accessory]

It's not a case of bumming Sven off - I think the poster's point was that if you honestly think the likes of Phil Brown, Iain Dowie or Aidy Boothroyd are going to be an improvement on what we already have, you're a clown. This league is alot different now to when Dowie won promotion with Palace, Boothroyd with Watford, Keane with Sunderland, even brown with Hull. The list of managers you suggested have all been dining out on one success and have done very little since, bar have distinctly mediocre records at average sides. When was the last time any of them did anything of note, apart from get the chop, or achieve relegation?

I'm not pro-Sven, nor am I anti-Sven. But I'm not a bum-boy for sooner having him here than Boothroyd. Merely sane.

There are tonnes of bright young managers outside the Premier League, instead of suggesting someone reasonable for the post should you get your undying wish and Sven go - you plump for that bunch. Dear God.

I could have been really provocative and put Ian Holloway in that list.

But how do you explain the current success of Nigel Adkins? Or Chris Hughton and Roberto di Matteo from two seasons ago? Or any of the promotion winners in my previous list? You don't need any spectacular gifts to win games in this league, merely a reasonable grasp of motivational and inspirational skills. Sadly as we've seen so often in this season (and also during the last campaign), our current manager doesn't seem to have these, at least as far as English-trained players are concerned.

No amount of celebrity status will ever be enough to compensate for this.

[inckley fox]

Just reading through have a few observations on various points...

1 - It's unfair to say there's no reason to believe Boothroyd et al would be better than Sven. They've previously done a job in this league, while he hasn't. It's fairer to say, in light of their subsequent failings, that it's not a great deal more likely. I'm not convinced it's worth sacking Sven for one of this bunch either.

2 - Billy Davies, Owen Coyle and especially O'Neill are clearly much better alternatives. (That said, is Coyle is the new Boothroyd?)

3 - I'm not sure Mark Hughes has ever concretely achieved anything, has he? Isn't he something of a top flight Martin Allen?

4 - I wouldn't want Micky Adams or Brian Little back, but aren't they also managers who 'have previous' at this level? If that's the standard of alternatives to Sven - as opposed to these two and those listed in (2) then surely we're better off sticking with Sven.

5 - Whoever mentioned Kevin McDonald - having a few good games in charge and doing well with a youth team doesn't make a credible manager - see Rob Kelly.

6 - Those who support Sven seem to keep arguing that we're not inconsistent because we had a good run back in January. Think back over what you're saying...

7 - Sven's record in the 1990s has to be irrelevant now, surely. He has to be judged on his time with City. Otherwise we'd all be calling for Dave Bassett back - perhaps the most successful ever manager at this level and only a little older than Sven. Old age and time don't generally help managers. Just look at the list of now unemployed Premier League managers from the 90s.

8 - For the statisticians, current form is usually judged on previous six games (I think we have eight from six, which over a season would get you about 15th in the table), while if you take our record for the whole of the season we have nineteen from thirteen I believe (which would get you about where we are now). Either way it's not good enough.

9 - I don't understand why some of said statisticians analyse our points tally in terms of the past ten games, conveniently slicing off the first three games of the season.

10 - Quite a lot of pro-Svenists said wait until ten games in. We're thirteen in, the season hasn't just started and Sven's had a year in charge. He's also spent more money than every manager since Taylor combined. He's had quite a good shot at it. The board won't and shouldn't wait until the end of the season.

11 - We can't keep waiting. The change in League rules means we'll be deducted points if we maintain this sort of expenditure in the Championship.

12 - Changing a manager mid-season is often a bad idea, though it worked out quite well with sacking Hamilton, Pleat, Levein even Sousa (in the short term at least). Should also point out that sticking with a manager can work out badly - Pleat in early 90, Taylor back end of 00-01 season, Holloway in early 08. Making the change also allows managers to build for next season, something Sven singularly failed to do. If we haven't 'gelled' yet it's his fault.

13 - Is it so unrealistic to think Nigel Adkins would come? Quite a few managers take backwards steps to join wealthier clubs (eg Dalglish with Blackburn, McGhee with Wolves, Redknapp turning down City for Portsmouth).

14 - Why do people seem so much more patient with Sven than with Sousa? The usual arguments are - we were bottom at the time (after eight games though) his record is nowhere near as good (it is in this league) and the players had fallen out with Sousa (Neil Danns???)

15 - The old 'blame the players not the manager' argument simply doesn't wash. It's the argument people defending a failing manager always pull out of the bag at the last minute. There's one or two very good reasons to stick with Sven (poor alternatives, occasionally good displays) this isn't one of them.

16 - Don't get carried away with the Derby game. Surely you remember Sheff Utd under Levein, Norwich under Holloway, Cardiff under Sousa?

17- We expect automatic promotion. Mid-table isn't acceptable. Even the play-offs would be borderline.

It seems there's arguments for and against. I only become suspicious when (a) people start talking about Steve Walsh or (b) people start saying Sven's doing a great job. Anything in between those two extremes and we're getting somewhere.