cc_star Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Yes, do you think that had NP been manager going into the close season, with the budget Sven had and with a pre-season to get them playing as a unit with the fortitude required by this league we would be sitting 12th tonight? As much as anything, I would like Steve Walsh back as chief scout recruiting real talent, and NP reminding them nothing comes from the individual in this league, it is all about the team functioning as one (see QPR, Norwich, Swansea and Southampton, who each with some exceptional players all recognise that the whole must be greater than its parts). 100% agree with every aspect of that comment. I just wonder what he (or anyone) could do now that close season & the opportunity to replace some very mediocre underachieving players, presumably on big money has gone.
Nickfosse Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 100% agree with every aspect of that comment. I just wonder what he (or anyone) could do now that close season & the opportunity to replace some very mediocre underachieving players, presumably on big money has gone. Yes, I agree with you too. I think the very best we can hope for is a cheeky run that might just pinch a play-off place. Felt very deflated today. I keep thinking that at some point this bunch will get its act together and play with some wit, verve and create proper chances in the final third. It never really happens and I'm starting to think it never will without a serious re-think and attitude adjuster. Of course MON would give us that, but as much as my heart is with Happy Fox, my head says he will not be returning. I think Pearson and his team if given time (and that's a big if at our club) could maybe get us somewhere there.
Bert Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Where has this idea Clark said no come from. The way I read it was initially Clark flirting with the job, then a sudden statement that he didn't want the job. It read to me like he was waiting and wasn't approached. Clark met with Andrew Neville in London on Thursday night.
kingfox Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 He done wonders at our club, but they do say never go back. It will be strange, but a move i'd prefer rather than some other managers that have been mentioned.
fleckneymike Posted 7 November 2011 Posted 7 November 2011 It's a no for me. He is just Micky Adams without the annoying speaking in the third person trait. Yes he got us out of division 1 but he benefitted from a vastly superior budget to other sides in that division. In the Championship he's dull. His reputation for excellent signings is grossly undeserved Chris Weale - terrible Robbie Neilson - terrible Ryan McGivern - terrible Hobbs - extremely limited Morrison - league 1 is his limit (see Pompey away where he was directly responsible for FIVE of their goals) Dyer - League 1 player N'Guessan - terrible Adams - out of his depth He's further blotted his copybook by signing Fryatt for Hull. He's had his time, lets move on.
Koke Posted 7 November 2011 Posted 7 November 2011 It's a no for me. He is just Micky Adams without the annoying speaking in the third person trait. Yes he got us out of division 1 but he benefitted from a vastly superior budget to other sides in that division. In the Championship he's dull. His reputation for excellent signings is grossly undeserved Chris Weale - terrible Robbie Neilson - terrible Ryan McGivern - terrible Hobbs - extremely limited Morrison - league 1 is his limit (see Pompey away where he was directly responsible for FIVE of their goals) Dyer - League 1 player N'Guessan - terrible Adams - out of his depth He's further blotted his copybook by signing Fryatt for Hull. He's had his time, lets move on. He signed most of those players when we were in League 1. And they did the job. And some even made the step up cos we somehow reached the play-pffs and were a whisker away from Wembley. Pearon's supposed dull football is overstated. His style is effective and aggressive. We were quite pragmatic and progressive under him. Since he left we've gone backwards. Not only should the club approach Pearson, they should aggressively pursue him.
Nickfosse Posted 7 November 2011 Posted 7 November 2011 It's a no for me. He is just Micky Adams without the annoying speaking in the third person trait. Yes he got us out of division 1 but he benefitted from a vastly superior budget to other sides in that division. In the Championship he's dull. His reputation for excellent signings is grossly undeserved Chris Weale - terrible Robbie Neilson - terrible Ryan McGivern - terrible Hobbs - extremely limited Morrison - league 1 is his limit (see Pompey away where he was directly responsible for FIVE of their goals) Dyer - League 1 player N'Guessan - terrible Adams - out of his depth He's further blotted his copybook by signing Fryatt for Hull. That is a gloriously selective list, you have omitted Davies, Cleverley, Spearing and Stockdale. I appreciate they are loans but still came from his team's talent spotting abilities. Tunchev. Even Wellens and Gallagher (yes, I know!). I agree with you about Fryatt though and I was not enamoured with the Gradel sale or the treatment of Campbell. Pearson isn't perfect, but I think we are in danger of over down-playing his achievements at Leicester, and especially the players he and Steve Walsh acquired. He's had his time, lets move on. That is a gloriously selective list, you have omitted Davies, Cleverley, Spearing and Stockdale. I appreciate they are loans but still came from his team's talent spotting abilities. Tunchev. Even Wellens and Gallagher (yes, I know!). I agree with you about Fryatt though and I was not enamoured with the Gradel sale or the treatment of Campbell. Pearson isn't perfect, but I think we are in danger of over down-playing his achievements at Leicester, and especially the players he and Steve Walsh acquired.
kyle09uk Posted 7 November 2011 Posted 7 November 2011 Did exceptionally well in league 1 and cut above their weight in the championship. Maybe this time with him having good footballers to his disposal he could actually make them perform to their potential and if Not more? For me personally I'd still say my list would go: MON - 1st Davies - 2nd NP - 3rd Would definatley have him back. Finish what he started. But leave the deadwood at Hull plz!
lcfcbaby Posted 7 November 2011 Posted 7 November 2011 So it looks like pearson which I'm happy with. He's our best manager since Martin O'Neill and let's face it he's not coming back. So maybe Pearson coming back isn't the best idea but whoever gets appointed as Leicester's manager As fans we have a duty to get behind him. It'll make his job a lot easier.
Thracian Posted 7 November 2011 Posted 7 November 2011 I share many of your concerns Thracian, but I wasn't sleeping at Cheltenham and Walsall. I know they ere League One games, but if he can acquire players who are similiarly above the level of our present league then perhaps we can achieve similar results. By the way, I would love you to have a go. Not only for the attacking style but the fun we would have on here following the occasional defeat. Haha yes, I went to both of those. Cheltenham were like a non-league team and Walsall were absolutely knackered and injury ravaged from having played Leeds two or three days earlier. But no matter, we could only play what was in front of us and they were great nights. Tom Cleverly was brilliant at Walsall. D As for the "defeats" you mention, be careful! I did have an Under 18 team that went two complete seasons without losing - the only blemish being a 1-1 draw that preceded a 6-1 replay win in a cup final. But truth to tell it was someone else's team. A guy called Dave Dalby from Loughborough Dynamo got them together and simply asked me to manage them. Easiest job in the world!. Fancy tactics weren't needed. I just told em that there was one ball, it belonged to them, and they shouldn't let anyone steal it. The Cup final was different because the opposition countered our two-touch football with some really vigorous man-for-man marking. The kids were a bit shaken but I said they should go home, get some rest and we'd sort it. Training was simple. We just changed two touch football to one touch football and scored four goals in the first 10 minutes of the replay. I'd have loved a video cos every goal was a treat for the eye. Management? Not really necessary. Those kids couldn't help but win. They just loved scoring goals and some of the passing was so quick my eyes spun like clackers trying to keep up. I remember a Forest scout turning up and asking who he should watch. "Their goalkeeper," I said, "In case he shows signs of depression and they need to get him off". Happy days!.
21st Century Fox Posted 7 November 2011 Posted 7 November 2011 He's a good manager and worked wonders for us previously, I'm just not 100% convinced he's the man who can get the most out of our current squad. I can imagine some of the players we haven't seen the best of yet and who might flourish under a more attack minded manager may have seen their day. Hopefully he'll come in and show a totally different side to himself tactically now he has a better calibre of players to work with.
Nickfosse Posted 7 November 2011 Posted 7 November 2011 Haha yes, I went to both of those. Cheltenham were like a non-league team and Walsall were absolutely knackered and injury ravaged from having played Leeds two or three days earlier. But no matter, we could only play what was in front of us and they were great nights. Tom Cleverly was brilliant at Walsall. D As for the "defeats" you mention, be careful! I did have an Under 18 team that went two complete seasons without losing - the only blemish being a 1-1 draw that preceded a 6-1 replay win in a cup final. But truth to tell it was someone else's team. A guy called Dave Dalby from Loughborough Dynamo got them together and simply asked me to manage them. Easiest job in the world!. Fancy tactics weren't needed. I just told em that there was one ball, it belonged to them, and they shouldn't let anyone steal it. The Cup final was different because the opposition countered our two-touch football with some really vigorous man-for-man marking. The kids were a bit shaken but I said they should go home, get some rest and we'd sort it. Training was simple. We just changed two touch football to one touch football and scored four goals in the first 10 minutes of the replay. I'd have loved a video cos every goal was a treat for the eye. Management? Not really necessary. Those kids couldn't help but win. They just loved scoring goals and some of the passing was so quick my eyes spun like clackers trying to keep up. I remember a Forest scout turning up and asking who he should watch. "Their goalkeeper," I said, "In case he shows signs of depression and they need to get him off". Happy days!. Always enjoy your posts Thracian and this is excellent. Of course, we would never lose with you at the helm. How daft of me. You seemed to have forgotyen that the Walsall game was on a snowy evening following a Walsall win. The club went to great lengths to clear the pitch and surrounding areas because they thought they had hit top form and could take us on a miserable cold night. I guess we all see things with our own particual hermeneutics though.
Thracian Posted 7 November 2011 Posted 7 November 2011 Always enjoy your posts Thracian and this is excellent. Of course, we would never lose with you at the helm. How daft of me. You seemed to have forgotyen that the Walsall game was on a snowy evening following a Walsall win. The club went to great lengths to clear the pitch and surrounding areas because they thought they had hit top form and could take us on a miserable cold night. I guess we all see things with our own particual hermeneutics though. Who could ever forget the snow - I went with my nipper and he wondered if he should take his skis!. Walsall had beaten Leeds and thought exactly as you say, not realising what that game had taken out of them in energy and injuries. For once we went for the jugular and what a treat it was to watch.
ajthefox Posted 7 November 2011 Posted 7 November 2011 I could just as easily see it not working out with Pearson as him getting us promoted, but I want him back none the less.
Nickfosse Posted 7 November 2011 Posted 7 November 2011 Who could ever forget the snow - I went with my nipper and he wondered if he should take his skis!. Walsall had beaten Leeds and thought exactly as you say, not realising what that game had taken out of them in energy and injuries. For once we went for the jugular and what a treat it was to watch. Indeed it was, I took my son too and we got there early and sat on the front row to avoid big guys and pylons. When Howard scored he ran straight to us and we joined in the celebrations with the players. Forget Premier leagues and big money investments, this is really what football is all about when we boil it down. Great nights in the midst of regular disappointment! The sad thing is, my son was with me today and said afterwards about the club he has great passion for "I couldn't care less at the minute" I'm starting to feel bad that I have inflicted the years of pain that I have lived through (with the glorious exception of 96-2001) on to my children. However, I could no longer stop supporting Leicester than stab myself in the knee so here's to the next chapter of hurt.
potter3 Posted 7 November 2011 Posted 7 November 2011 I wouldn't mind but it'll just make the last year or so a complete waste of time...
JmorsonLCFC Posted 7 November 2011 Posted 7 November 2011 It would please us as fans, naturally we would have more patience with someone we're pleased with rather than someone who we generally don't want...keane, mclaren, strachen etc. and also a higher rated manager such as hughes, as we would expect probably too much of hughes 'if you're so good why aren't we in the play-offs' etc. maybe even after a couple of matches haha. get nigel back and up the football league we go. wouldn't mind hobbs back either
ajthefox Posted 7 November 2011 Posted 7 November 2011 I wouldn't mind but it'll just make the last year or so a complete waste of time... It has been though...
Kitchandro Posted 7 November 2011 Posted 7 November 2011 Of course he has never lost more than 2 in a row with us so we won't know whether that statement is true or false. I'm not trying to argue against you but we lost 3 in a row and 4 in a row in the play-off season.
JmorsonLCFC Posted 7 November 2011 Posted 7 November 2011 I'm not trying to argue against you but we lost 3 in a row and 4 in a row in the play-off season. true
Kitchandro Posted 7 November 2011 Posted 7 November 2011 It's a no for me. He is just Micky Adams without the annoying speaking in the third person trait. Yes he got us out of division 1 but he benefitted from a vastly superior budget to other sides in that division. In the Championship he's dull. His reputation for excellent signings is grossly undeserved Chris Weale - terrible Robbie Neilson - terrible Ryan McGivern - terrible Hobbs - extremely limited Morrison - league 1 is his limit (see Pompey away where he was directly responsible for FIVE of their goals) Dyer - League 1 player N'Guessan - terrible Adams - out of his depth He's further blotted his copybook by signing Fryatt for Hull. He's had his time, lets move on. Chris Weale - very good bar one mistake in that season Robbie Neilson - agreed Ryan McGivern - agreed Hobbs - absolutely immense under Pearson, didn't look limited at all then. In fact he's still no more limited than Mills or St Ledger, and cost a fraction of the price of both. Morrison - Agreed, but he had a very reasonable season under Nige in the Championship (and was played at right back which is his best position, since he was played at Centre back where he was completely out of his depth) Dyer - Agreed to some extent but is a good sub at this level N'Guessan - Agreed, most of the time, had the odd matchwinning game of brilliance. Adams - I actually thought he was promising and could have been used more often, but probably punching above his weight. He also signed Wellens, Gallagher, Berner, Waghorn, Vaughan and Spearing, all of whom performed very well in this division. (2 of which are playing in the Premiership now) So I conclude that he signed a couple of awful players, some good ones and some average ones. The thing that you are overlooking is that all of them performed to the best of their ability. Whilst some have proven to be average/poor since he left, doesn't it say something that he made them look so good? I don't remember anyone questionning that Hobbs looked the best centre back in the league under Pearson, he was brilliant. Weale didn't look the clown he does now and neither did Morrison. And as a team, we were quite a bit better than on paper. So whilst most of the players he got were not exactly amazing, they were mostly very good signings because of the way they played for him. And that is what he's paid for, it's not his job to get them to perform after he's left. We played as a team and profited from that, it helped the players play to their best without being relied on to produce something only by themselves. It was a unit. The important thing when judging a manager is not how you judge the individuals but how his team did as a whole. The signings were excellent because they were bargains, not because they were clones of Messi. Now he's going to have a lot more money this time and a lot better squad to build on than when he came in 2008. I don't know whether it will work out, it's a different job in a number of ways, expectation levels are higher and there are question marks about whether he can take our team to new heights in terms of performance and whether he will get the best out of a different kind of player (i.e will he be able to release the flair or will he stifle our talent). But I don't see where your coming from in terms of signings, or even if it's an indicator of the players he will sign this time around, with such a financial difference.
foxes2011 Posted 7 November 2011 Posted 7 November 2011 im on here late couldnt sleep tonight tbh i did want pearson but know i just think we should take our time and get in the right person, think pearson would be ok and he did well last time he was here but i just feel we need a fresh start. there are a lot of haters of Roy Keane and tbh i dont blame you because of his past....................... but ive just got a gut feeling he could be the person to change us around long time since we had someone as commited as him, just a gut feeling could be rong but i recon he is a good motivator and has good connections
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 7 November 2011 Posted 7 November 2011 A whacking big NO! Certainly not. Poor manager, and would do us no favours. :thumbdown:
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