onecapwonder Posted 16 March 2012 Posted 16 March 2012 If Gallagher is fit it has to be him. I've watched Marshall in the last 3 home games, Cardiff, Cov and Birmingham and he is average at best. If Marshall is supposed to be an out an out winger like Dyer (pace and the desire to beat his opponent) he is sorely lacking, if he is supposed to be a wider midfielder (like Gallagher) he is a poor substitute. As a winger he has no pace, SSL appeared much quicker vs Brum, he can't cross from open play or from corners, and he has no tricks to create space or beat his man. As a wide midfielder his passing is poor, his touch is poor and he lacks vision and creativity. If Chelsea use Mata on the left he will drift inside, this is perfect for Gallagher who does his best work when he comes inside and plays more as an advanced central midfileder. If Chelsea use Ramieres on the left (or another player more likely to play as an "out and out winger" then all we need from our right sided midfielder is the ability to track back, Gallagher and Marshall can both do this. Gallagher has played a lot more games in the Sven 4-3-3 and the Pearson 4-4-2 so would be a better choice in terms of understanding defensive positioning. The Pearson 4-4-2 has a tucked in wide right mid (Gallagher, Marshall or Drinkwater) and a proper left wing (Dyer) so the right fullback, generally Peltier, is basically a right wing back, which is the same role Naughton player under Sven. As for Schlupp as oppose to Marshall/Gallager. Before his injury Sven used him as the left forward/winger in the 4-3-3 and he looked woefull defensively. That was against championship teams, against Chelsea the odds are he would be against Cole. I can't imagine that going well for us. What is worse is that if we play like we did against Norwih then whoever we have at right back will tuck in and allow our left winger to be up against Chelsea's left sideded forward. Mata v Schlupp with Cole on the overlap, if thats the right side of our defence heaven help us... Looking at Marshall individually hes just not that good. He can't cross, he appears to lack pace and he certainly doesn't seem to have the trickery one would expect from a winger. Is Marshall the inverse of Lloyd Dyer? If Marshall is a winger is he Lloyd Dyer on the right, the answer is no, he's much worse. So is he a wide midfielder? Not at all, he lacks the creativity, guile and useful deadball skills that Gallagher has. I don't know why Pearson signed him, maybe he saw something at Stoke that I haven't seen in Marshal while hes been at Leicester but from what I've seen he is a particualry poor player who would do well to make a name for himself at this level, let alone a higher one.
EnderbyFox Posted 16 March 2012 Posted 16 March 2012 Think this thread needs a poll. Marshall for me, I even prefer his set peices to Gally's (bar penalties)
Guesty Posted 16 March 2012 Posted 16 March 2012 This is a tuff one. Marshall had his chance and hasn't really done a great deal. Gallagher at least can win you a game with free-kicks; but he doesn't stay in his position and help his right back. St Ledger or Peltier will have a torrid day if he starts and doesn't protect them. So I'd pick Marshall just for the fact he will protect the RB better. Only just though.
onecapwonder Posted 16 March 2012 Posted 16 March 2012 This is a tuff one. Marshall had his chance and hasn't really done a great deal. Gallagher at least can win you a game with free-kicks; but he doesn't stay in his position and help his right back. St Ledger or Peltier will have a torrid day if he starts and doesn't protect them. So I'd pick Marshall just for the fact he will protect the RB better. Only just though. Hmm, from what I've seen of Gallagher over the past two years he does help out his right back defensively. He gets caught out sometime when it comes to quick transitiions of play but you have to remember he was a striker and he does tend to drift into central midfield, at which point the central midfielder he has swapped positions with should be covering his position at right mid. He also takes set pieces on the left so if a counter comes from those hes can't really be blamed. He did get caught out more often that not against Brum, but you could put that down to two things. One, hes only just come back from injury and two Brum were playing off Zigic so much that defensive positioning went out the window essentially all that mattered was being in the region where he flicked the ball on. Also is Marshall really any better defensively? I haven't seen that. Neither Gallagher nor Marshall are as good as Park Ji-Sung when it comes to defending and given they are nominally "right-wingers" surely the attacking threat is what counts and Gallagher clearly wins in that. Also in terms of defence Gallagher has a much better first touch, range of pass and vision than Marshall, those all contribute much more to defensive solidity than simply running a lot.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 16 March 2012 Posted 16 March 2012 This is a tuff one. Marshall had his chance and hasn't really done a great deal. Gallagher at least can win you a game with free-kicks; but he doesn't stay in his position and help his right back. St Ledger or Peltier will have a torrid day if he starts and doesn't protect them. So I'd pick Marshall just for the fact he will protect the RB better. Only just though. As i have said many times before this is not true away from home. The guy has scored in one away leage game for us ever.
stourbridgefox Posted 17 March 2012 Posted 17 March 2012 Marshall is a young lad and will definitely get better with games coming off the bench. So it has to be Gallagher for me. Chelsea are likely to give us more space than most Championship teams so he will have time to show a bit of quality. On saying that, I don't think he looked fully fit on Tuesday night.
Guesty Posted 17 March 2012 Posted 17 March 2012 Hmm, from what I've seen of Gallagher over the past two years he does help out his right back defensively. He gets caught out sometime when it comes to quick transitiions of play but you have to remember he was a striker and he does tend to drift into central midfield, at which point the central midfielder he has swapped positions with should be covering his position at right mid. He also takes set pieces on the left so if a counter comes from those hes can't really be blamed. He did get caught out more often that not against Brum, but you could put that down to two things. One, hes only just come back from injury and two Brum were playing off Zigic so much that defensive positioning went out the window essentially all that mattered was being in the region where he flicked the ball on. Also is Marshall really any better defensively? I haven't seen that. Neither Gallagher nor Marshall are as good as Park Ji-Sung when it comes to defending and given they are nominally "right-wingers" surely the attacking threat is what counts and Gallagher clearly wins in that. Also in terms of defence Gallagher has a much better first touch, range of pass and vision than Marshall, those all contribute much more to defensive solidity than simply running a lot. Away from home I'm not sure attacking is the only thing tho. Against championship teams its not so bad if he goes walkabout evey now and again. But if he goes walk about and Peltier has Ashley Cole and Malouda against him 2 on 1 we're fooked. At least marshall will stick with his man. The only reason I pick Marshall is because he will stay in his position and not go walk about.
onecapwonder Posted 17 March 2012 Posted 17 March 2012 Marshall is a young lad and will definitely get better with games coming off the bench. So it has to be Gallagher for me. Chelsea are likely to give us more space than most Championship teams so he will have time to show a bit of quality. On saying that, I don't think he looked fully fit on Tuesday night. This is my worry with Marshall! Gallagher started on Tuesday and didn't look that great. Defensively he was poor and got drawn inside too much (though Brum where playing down the middle a lot). Despite this Gallagher was involved a lot more in an attacking sense than Marshall was. He is always tidy in possession, he put some excellent deep crossess in, one which Bamba would have scored from if Wellens hadn't got in the way (indicdently or not, Bamba started the move with a 20 yard dribble and 40 yard crossfield pass to Gallagher) and he in general looks much more threatening than Marsall. Given Marshall is a right winger and Gallagher plays as a right mid Marshall should be much more threatening going forward but it just isn't the case. He lacks the pace and tricks of Dyer and he he doesn't have the creaticvity or technique of Gallagher. Marshall may be on for the future but he needs to learn a lot from either Gallagher or Dyer.
onecapwonder Posted 17 March 2012 Posted 17 March 2012 Away from home I'm not sure attacking is the only thing tho. Against championship teams its not so bad if he goes walkabout evey now and again. But if he goes walk about and Peltier has Ashley Cole and Malouda against him 2 on 1 we're fooked. At least marshall will stick with his man. The only reason I pick Marshall is because he will stay in his position and not go walk about. I agree with this but I don't think Gallagher actually goes "walk abouts". I get very upset with fans that suggest Gallagher doesn't do his bit defensively. From the numerous matches I've seen he tries very hard defensively but is let down by the fact that he was a striker and at the moment his best position may be as a no 10. Whenever I've seen Gallagher he gets back into position quickly, he tracks opposition fullbacks and he tries to put in tackles when he can. Often he doesn't but generally you can say that when he pulls out its because he doesn't think hes going to have a chance, in which case what is the point in diving in and conceeding a foul. His ability on the ball also adds to his defensive attributes, the fact he can play a difficult pass on spread the ball quickly to the other flank is not just a bonus going forward, if the he wins the ball on the defensive it allows him more options than just putting it up the line or hoofing it away. As for his complete lack of ability in the air I would venture that we win more throw ins from Gallagher "faking out" a defender and forcing him to clear a ball than we would ever win if we had a more competent header of the ball in Gallagher's place.
BrummieFOX Posted 17 March 2012 Posted 17 March 2012 Had this debate with my old man and brother tonight, as with this thread opinions were mixed. Seems many think Marshall is yet to find his feet and I agree, therefore this isn't the game for him. Gally has off days and I hate the fact he never puts a foot in, but he does have the ability to add a touch of premier league class, be it an assist or a free kick. We're yet to see that from Marshall.
Babylon Posted 17 March 2012 Posted 17 March 2012 Gallagher might get you more goals, but his one good game in 7 isn't enough. He stank the place out against Brum and was our worst player by a mile. Marshall might not give you that eye catching game you get from Gallagher now and again, but at the moment you'll probably get 6 out of 7 solid performances were he puts in a shift. With the potential of something more to come as he grows. On his day Gally can be great, but we have too many people like him around the team where they are either great or rubbish. The team needs a few people you can rely on almost every game, otherwise this inconsistency will carry on.
Milton Keynes Fox Posted 17 March 2012 Posted 17 March 2012 Marshall- he's only 20 and i'm glad that we have a player that young that we can grow into a talent. Rather than a 27 year old anyway.
LCFC_Peter Posted 18 March 2012 Posted 18 March 2012 After marshalls goal against chelsea he has as good as shot as gally and he's younger!
Out Foxed Posted 18 March 2012 Posted 18 March 2012 i wouldn't care if marshall played average for the rest of the season. i would rather he got in the side ahead of gallagher.
AKCJ Posted 18 March 2012 Posted 18 March 2012 Neither are right (and we'll be after a pair of wingers in the summer) but right now Marshall has to get the nod.
PegguyArphexad Posted 18 March 2012 Posted 18 March 2012 Marshall will come good!! He will be number 1 choice next season.
sharpie Posted 18 March 2012 Posted 18 March 2012 Gally waste of space! his first corner was shocking time and time again does not beat first man, his is a pro football player should do better! Play marshall or drinkwater
Guest ttfn Posted 18 March 2012 Posted 18 March 2012 Gally waste of space! his first corner was shocking time and time again does not beat first man, his is a pro football player should do better! Play marshall or drinkwater All 3 corners he took were dreadful.
Austin Posted 18 March 2012 Posted 18 March 2012 Gally is a good footballer he just doesn't fit into the team the way Pearson wants it I feel. Reckon he'll be gone next season.
phillo Posted 19 March 2012 Posted 19 March 2012 depends who we are playing i prefer marshall gives us more width
dave_the_fox Posted 19 March 2012 Posted 19 March 2012 After marshalls goal against chelsea he has as good as shot as gally and he's younger! Give davieG his avatar back!
LCFC_FAN_1995 Posted 19 March 2012 Posted 19 March 2012 Hope Gallagher goes, he doesn't do anything really. I would rather have Marshall, we also have Vassell when he's fit who can also play on the wing, both of them not afraid to go on the counter attack and take on opponents, his corners are dire and his free kicks on average hit the wall most times with only some going in. He takes good penalty's so what, we have another 10 more players to take one, we need natural wingers, he has said before he likes playing up-front and we gave him a chance with that a while back and he was more bad than Beckford when he didn't show he wanted to be hear at the start of the season. Marshall is a natural, young, pacey winger! Some of the crosses he did yesterday were good, we don't need Gallagher.
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